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Guardian makes splash in US with security scoops
The Associated Press ^ | June 7, 2013 | Gregory Katz

Posted on 06/08/2013 12:51:50 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

LONDON--Before this week, the Guardian newspaper's gradual move into the U.S. — hiring dozens of employees in the last two years — hadn't produced much of a splash in terms of scoops.

In the last three days that has changed.

The newspaper, which started publishing in the English city of Manchester in 1821 and is now based in London, has established a significant presence in Washington by uncovering the vast scope of secret surveillance operations carried out by U.S. officials at the National Security Agency.....

(Excerpt) Read more at bigstory.ap.org ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: guardian; liberalmedia; msm; nsa; obama; obamaspeople; scandals; terrorism; threatmatrix; wiretapping
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Why do we have to rely on mostly left-wing British newspapers to find out what Mr. Obama is up to?
1 posted on 06/08/2013 12:51:51 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Brian Williams says goodnight to President Obama
2 posted on 06/08/2013 1:10:49 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama’s dam isn’t going to burst until the Left-wing MSM start their attacks on the White House. So we should encourage them.


3 posted on 06/08/2013 1:11:12 AM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Because the American Media won’t do the job they should do.


4 posted on 06/08/2013 1:11:45 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The American press is dead.
Is it any wonder those of us who seek real news and investigative journalism turn to the foreign press?


5 posted on 06/08/2013 1:25:04 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: annieokie; penelopesire; maggief; Protect the Bill of Rights; thouworm; SE Mom; Nachum; onyx; ...

Please excuse any double pings. I know many of you have been waiting for DOT 2. Because of what has transpired in the last couple of weeks, I am witholding it, not so much because I fear for me, but because I fear for Free Republic. The subject matter is explosive.
Since I reposted DOT 1 on an outside blog, the blog has been literally swarmed with gov and mil ips I had to ‘trick’ my software to trace.
I don’t think it is safe anymore to post the truth almost anywhere.
We are now truly at war, and this is the first time I have actually been afraid to take on the powers that be. A cold wind is blowing. Be careful. Be alert. Stay safe.


6 posted on 06/08/2013 1:26:55 AM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: MestaMachine
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

7 posted on 06/08/2013 1:27:54 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: MestaMachine
John has a long mustache...

John has a long mustache...

8 posted on 06/08/2013 1:29:04 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s very significant that the Guardian is doing this. IMHO the left is turning against 0bastard.


9 posted on 06/08/2013 1:32:06 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: MestaMachine

MM - maybe save it - give it to a bunch of other people - something?

I am so so so hoping you are better - did you get my freepmail the other day about an alternative treatment method?


10 posted on 06/08/2013 1:32:54 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s one thing to put yourself in jeopardy. It’s a whole other ballgame when you risk friends and friendly strangers. Can’t and won’t.


11 posted on 06/08/2013 1:36:41 AM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: MestaMachine

I know it’s gonna be tough, but think of it as a game of flinch. whoever flinches first loses. But the fate of future generations is on her hands. If we roll over just like Sen. Lindsey Graham the how can we look ourselves in the mirror? Maybe I’m not in the US right now, but I’m watching how a corrupt machine works behind the scenes so I can figure out how to return to the US to help dismantle a corrupt US government machine later on. Right now, I’m like the retreating Russians fighting Napoleon’s army. I might be retreating at the moment but it doesn’t mean I’m not going to launch a counter attack just at the right moment.


12 posted on 06/08/2013 1:37:22 AM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Why do we have to rely on mostly left-wing British newspapers to find out what Mr. Obama is up to"

This is one area, where I'm thankful for the foriegn competition.

13 posted on 06/08/2013 1:40:17 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Why do we have to rely on mostly left-wing British newspapers to find out what Mr. Obama is up to"

This is one area, where I'm thankful for the foriegn competition.

14 posted on 06/08/2013 1:40:18 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: little jeremiah

Yes. and I thought I had replied, but these days...I don’t know. Trying to keep it together. Am even trying some very special supplements Dan was kind enough to send me now that the nurses are gone.
Anyway I should mention that not only was the blog swarmed, but my profile page here as well because hardraade put up a link to it. Too late to do anything about it now.


15 posted on 06/08/2013 1:51:21 AM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"It is doing something that traditional mainstream outlets in the States failed to do," he said. "So it beats the might of American journalism in its own backyard."

It's fascinating what we can find out when people do their jobs and report the truth.

16 posted on 06/08/2013 1:53:09 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: greeneyes

I think the Lamestream American Media sees their job as being the propaganda ministry of the Obama Regime, and in that role they have had great success in the deception of about half the population.

However, the downside is no reason based person looking for the truth will read the Lying Lamers, and so their former customers are looking to the bloggers and British Media for the real news.


17 posted on 06/08/2013 1:57:01 AM PDT by Darin1948
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To: Darin1948

Here’s the funny part. As a former reporter, I always prefered to write bad news, not good news. So as a Republican it’s fun to blast Obama. You make more cash in journalism criticizing and reporting bad news than with acting as a propagandist. That being said, MSNBC is tanking in the ratings, while Fox News enjoys high ratings. But let’s say Sarah Palin or Sen Ted Cruz get elected to the White House in 2016. MSNBC would be blasting them every minute on the minute, but Americans love feisty journalism so it’s possible that MSNBC TV audience ratings would soar and perhaps Fox New would either flatline or even dip in ratings.


18 posted on 06/08/2013 2:07:55 AM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: MestaMachine

Mesta, surely you don’t think anyone posting on or even visiting this site is anonymous?


19 posted on 06/08/2013 2:10:09 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have noticed with increasing frequency that big stories keep appearing in British news sites. I kept saying to myself, “Why wasn’t this is on an American news site first?” But I really already know the answer; the American Media is compromised. All the bid wigs in the press and television are either wholly in the tank for Progressiveness or are too scared to rock the boat. The alternative media simply doesn’t have the reach that the MSM has. If the MSM decides a story isn’t to be reported, 80% of Americans never hear of it.


20 posted on 06/08/2013 2:15:29 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: expat1000

Oh, goodness no. Anonymity on the internet is a pipe dream and anyone who thinks they can remain anonymous is very naive. I would say that FR is under more scrutiny than most realize so sometimes it is better to tread softly but wear steeltoed shoes.


21 posted on 06/08/2013 2:24:04 AM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Why do we have to rely on mostly left-wing British newspapers to find out what Mr. Obama is up to? “

The American press has a sense of ownership and buy-in on the Obama administration. Obama is literally their creation. Even if a reporter found the story (it would have to hunt down the reporter and show him a body in the trunk)and he wrote it, the editor would recognize the damage it would do to the liberal agenda and kill it.

As an example of how agenda editing works, I was writing business puff pieces for my local paper, “The Tallahassee Democrat.” (Until I got the job, I actually thought it was the Democratic Party’s newspaper.) The business owner would pay the paper to have me write the piece. I always looked for an interesting angle and made the article as informative and useful as possible. Many times the editor, a Subaru-driving former hippy, would edit out the most useful and informative bits. After a particularly egregious editing I asked her why she’d taken the material out. Wafting her hand and with a sneer she said, “Oh, it was just too pro-business.”


22 posted on 06/08/2013 2:27:29 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: TexGrill

Fox stayed high during Bush and msnbc never had better numbers than shortly after they openly went propaganda. Don’t imagine that would change much. Mostly because Fox is an equal opp basher. Which they should be. The media should challenge our gov, keep them honest.


23 posted on 06/08/2013 2:32:32 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: MestaMachine
"Oh, goodness no. Anonymity on the internet is a pipe dream and anyone who thinks they can remain anonymous is very naive."

Yep, especially if you pay for an internet connection.

BUT one can use the Internet a be anonymous but the commitment to do so is akin to a wanted felon trying to stay off the grid.

It would require constant travel and constant switching to new laptops/tablets that are bought used and not registered while avoiding surveillance cameras (while using public wifi which more and more have cameras trained on the reception area) and any use of any form of payment that can be tracked to your name. IOW nearly impossible.

24 posted on 06/08/2013 2:34:32 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: ican'tbelieveit

You raise a valid point, but I still stand behind my opinion that if Palin or Cruz get elected to the White House, MSNBC will blast them and I think it will boost their ratings. But they won’t enjoy a ratings boost until after the November 2016 elections.


25 posted on 06/08/2013 2:35:00 AM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Isn’t it funny that a British paper is helping destroy our “King George?”


26 posted on 06/08/2013 3:02:19 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: MestaMachine

Sorrt about that. But it doesn’t matter in any form, shape or way - the relevant ppl know all about you anyhow, and about me too - which is why my identity is mostly perfectly open these days. Oh, there is a slim shady who’s in strange places, but the real me is right here.


27 posted on 06/08/2013 3:28:14 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: Mad Dawgg

Possible, but hugely expensive to practice.


28 posted on 06/08/2013 3:29:25 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: DannyTN

Only to point this out, because most have missed this....the timing is awful odd.

The Guardian is not a conservative or independent-thinking newspaper.

There are three Obama episodes lined up one after another and for this year....all three are major episodes. First, the meeting out in Palm Springs with the Chinese Premier, where cyber warfare was going to be the number one topic. Now? The Chinese Premier can laugh off this conversation and the President looks like an idiot.

Second, the G8 Summit in Northern Ireland. It would have given the President great opportunity to speak. Now? Several of the guests are going to ask about privacy of data and calls. He can’t clearly answer it, and looks fake with his memorized piece of response.

Third, he lands in Germany to give a grand speech in Berlin. There was to be a interview chance by German reporters. I doubt this occurs, and some protesters will show signs asking about the NSA thing at the speech.

The timing of the Guardian article? All suspect. Someone (Mossad, the Chinese, the KGB, some hostile NSA guys, someone from the Tea Party, etc)....has dumped this info to the Guardian. This entire two week period is screwed. The President’s one chance to escape the media and do overseas travel to look good. Total failure on that plan.

So don’t get all peppy about the good that newspapers do from overseas. It was planned and timed this way.


29 posted on 06/08/2013 3:42:05 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Hardraade
"Possible, but hugely expensive to practice."

Even if you have unlimited funds staying anon is becoming nearly impossible even without the complications of net surfing.

Its not really practical to travel with large sums of cash because the LEOs can confiscate it for no better reason then because they want to.(not to mention the risked of getting robbed by the amateur criminals rather than the pros in the Gub'ment LEO agencies.) So if you keep it in a bank, anyplace you go to withdraw cash will have a camera and more and more they are hooked to a system that has facial recognition software.

And once you get clocked into that system then if you go to surf on a public wifi more and more of these areas are peppered with surveillance cameras and of course most now are hooked to a computer system. NSA can poke around a bit and bang there is anonbob sitting with his laptop at the local coffee shop surfing the net. A little process of elimination of others logged onto the same node and well ANON no more.

Big Brother is real.

30 posted on 06/08/2013 3:47:41 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why do we have to rely on mostly left-wing British newspapers to find out what Mr. Obama is up to?

Because our left-wing American newspapers are Democratic Party organs.

31 posted on 06/08/2013 3:57:58 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They may be left wing, but they recognize that the refusal of the left wing media in this country to criticize obama has created an opportunity for them to make money.


32 posted on 06/08/2013 3:58:34 AM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

33 posted on 06/08/2013 4:18:16 AM PDT by mirkwood
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To: DannyTN

Brits enjoy tweaking our noses too. Don’t underestimate that.


34 posted on 06/08/2013 4:38:33 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: MestaMachine

Recall the words of Adm. James Stockdale, who spent seven+ years “checked-in” at the Hanoi Hilton:

“This is a very important lesson. You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be.”


35 posted on 06/08/2013 4:42:09 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: TexGrill
You make more cash in journalism criticizing and reporting bad news than with acting as a propagandist.

You confirmed what I already realized. Any one of the leftie rags or broadcasts could increase their audience overnight by doing just one expose of Obama. It could be a narrow one at that. For instance, they could just nibble at the facts of what Obama did as Harvard Law editor (exact names escapes me).

IOW, to break a scandal, near-scandal, trashy story or whatever of the President of the United States has got to be worthy of "top of the fold" for a couple of days at least. For the fact that the entire media establishment refuses to even whisper a bad word of Obama speaks volumes.

The opportunity is ripe for the UK papers to have a field day.

36 posted on 06/08/2013 4:43:46 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Cyprus - the beginning)
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To: TexGrill
. Right now, I’m like the retreating Russians fighting Napoleon’s army. I might be retreating at the moment but it doesn’t mean I’m not going to launch a counter attack just at the right moment.

General Sam Houston?! Is that you?!!

;-)

37 posted on 06/08/2013 4:45:00 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Mad Dawgg

Wounds my heart with a monotonous languor...


38 posted on 06/08/2013 4:46:36 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: MestaMachine

Distribute multiple copies by snail mail with applicable instructions on what to do with it should something happen. Multiple means MULTIPLE.


39 posted on 06/08/2013 4:52:46 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: MestaMachine

Glenn Greenwald, Guardian reporter who broke the Verizon/NSA story, says US media outlets had the story, but were bullied into NOT covering it.
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/06/07/pmt-guardian-greenwald-nsa-prism-program.cnn.html


40 posted on 06/08/2013 5:19:36 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; mickie; flaglady47; seekthetruth; seenenuf; Bob Ireland; surfer; Bushbacker1; ...
My take on why "we have to rely on mostly left-wing British newspapers to find out what Mr. Obama is up to" is totally different from the explanations being speculated on...here on this forum, in the media and on TV.

Without writing a long treatise on the subject....I've heard Obama's White House operatives are trying to smoke out government employee leakers who have or had major or minor "scandal" stories to tell....and are doing so in a raging, retributive way so they can fire them or punish them in some way.

I believe these leakers, who are good and brave people, feel safer from discovery, harm and revenge by giving their revelations to an English-speaking media across the sea, or to its reporters stationed in DC.

I believe the British media operatives will protect the leakers more than will corrupt American journalistas.....while at the same time, the Brit media operatives are also safer from Obama's wrath and Holder's subpoenas if investigations, law suits or indictments of some kind occur.

I know if I were a leaker of damning news concerning the Obama administration, I'd feel a heck of a lot more secure spilling the beans to a foreign-based, (even a left-wing) publisher, editor or reporter than anyone at the NY or LA Slimes.

The "left-wing" media, we must remember, is turning on Obama in a big way, also. It also loves scooping the American media. I also believe the British media journalists will protect their sources more than the left-wing media here in this country.

Leni

41 posted on 06/08/2013 5:32:19 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why do we have to rely on mostly left-wing British newspapers to find out what Mr. Obama is up to?

Maybe it's because Obama may hate Britain more than he hates the US?

42 posted on 06/08/2013 5:34:32 AM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: All

at least with outlets like RT and Al Jazeera, you know they hate the USA. These outlets hide the fact and they’ve created a president that isn’t used to defending himself with intelligent arguments but through intimidation. Now like CNN in Baghdad, they risk losing access to the bully regime if they dare report what is actually happening.


43 posted on 06/08/2013 5:41:32 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: TexGrill
Fox grew during the Bush years for the same reason they grow today, there is nobody out there in all the other chanels even reporting the conservative side and Fox only does it half the time.

MSNBC would gain back some viewers but there are 5 of other stations out there that supply the same all liberal view on a more sane basis.

Somebody really wants a hot news channel they need to do a conservative one because they would be the only one being all conservative.

44 posted on 06/08/2013 5:41:41 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: MinuteGal

Where are the Benghazi leakers?


45 posted on 06/08/2013 6:09:49 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just imagine the reams of data the DOJ has on all Freepers!


46 posted on 06/08/2013 6:12:19 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Gen.Blather
"The American press has a sense of ownership and buy-in on the Obama administration."

That's the one side, they want to protect their guy.

On the other side, they hate normal American. They hate conservatives, Republicans (God knows why in this case), Christians, the free market, traditional morality, patriotism and ordinary people, who want to do for themselves. Can't have that, they think the wrong thoughts and make the wrong decisions.

Their hatred is their prime motivator. The won't publish anything that they see will help they people they hate.

In fact, this one sentence is all you need to know about media bias:

The won't publish anything that they believe will help they people they hate.

47 posted on 06/08/2013 6:24:29 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: MestaMachine

Thanks for the ping...

A former NSA person speaks out on spying on Americans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfS2Op9l3nk


48 posted on 06/08/2013 7:15:12 AM PDT by GOPJ (MSNBC is to news channels as Ringling Bros' Clown College is to Harvard University. - - Greenfield)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don’t add you to the list...

49 posted on 06/08/2013 7:30:36 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Lady Heron
Somebody really wants a hot news channel they need to do a conservative one because they would be the only one being all conservative.

Although I think half the time Glen Beck is losing it, "The Blaze" does real reporting (as far as I can tell) and might be worth your while to check it out.

50 posted on 06/08/2013 8:06:11 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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