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Ethanol leading to a corn-based bubble
Fuel Fix ^ | June 6, 2013 | by Zain Shauk in Beaumont

Posted on 06/08/2013 11:03:53 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

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To: suijuris

And if they weren’t planting every available acre of land with crude corn, they could be letting acreage go fallow (a good thing), rotating crops (a good thing to keep the soil from being destroyed) and raising other crops, such as soybeans, wheat, oats, etc., which are in fact used to feed people. Corn based ethanol is the least efficient and most damaging way to produce ethanol.


21 posted on 06/08/2013 2:29:15 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (But for an ignorant electorate Slow Joe would have become a circus clown or union thug.)
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To: suijuris

My error, I should have specified which color of corn:

The use of ethanol for fuel has had a damaging impact on food markets, especially in poorer countries. In the United States, ethanol is mostly made from yellow corn, and as the market boomed for alternative fuel, yellow corn went up in price. Many farmers saw the potential to make more money, and switched from white corn to yellow corn. White corn is the main ingredient of tortillas in Mexico, and as the supply dropped, the price doubled, making the base of most Mexican foods unaffordable. Many people see this as unacceptable, and want no overlap between food crops and fuel crops. Others point out that the earth is thought to be able to support double the current human population, and press that the resources available, such as unused farmable land, should be better handled.

The Renewable Fuels Association confirm ethanol production does in fact increase the price of corn by increasing demand. It is cited as a positive economic effect for US farmers and tax payers, but does not elaborate on the effect for other populations where field corn is part of the staple diet. By increasing the demand for corn, and thus raising corn prices, ethanol helps to lower federal farm program costs. In a January 2007 statement, the USDA Chief Economist stated that farm program payments were expected to be reduced by some $6 billion due to the higher value of a bushel of corn.”

Corn production in 2009 reached over 13.2 billion bushels, and a per acre yield jumped to over 165 bushels per acre.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_ethanol#Economic_impact_of_corn_ethanol

You’re right about yellow field corn and livestock feed, either by wet or dry milling:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_ethanol#Production_process

“lain about the US e”

Did you mean to say something else in your original post, which I can’t understand?

:)


22 posted on 06/08/2013 2:40:14 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: Chode

They switched from white, human-edible corn to yellow field corn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_ethanol#Economic_impact_of_corn_ethanol


23 posted on 06/08/2013 2:43:46 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: carriage_hill

I just purchased from Dealer a used 2012 car that will accept E10 and E15. I don’t like the ethanol gas and so I asked the head of the service dept if I could use the pure gas in my new car. “Huh? I wouldn’t. Not a good idea” he said. I did more research and found out that any gas engine can use pure gas.


24 posted on 06/08/2013 2:45:40 PM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: carriage_hill

White corn has always been a tiny niche market in US corn production. Less than 1%. And I’ll wager more is produced now than ever.


25 posted on 06/08/2013 2:51:42 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: carriage_hill
the problem is, so did a lot of the farmers... that means less corn for consumption
26 posted on 06/08/2013 2:52:09 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: ncpatriot

We have several stations here in south-central PA which sell ethanol-free gas; some even sell leaded av-gas (130oct) for the 60s/70s muscle cars. The lines waiting to get it at those stations, are amazingly long.

Hake’s Grocery/Gas in Dover, is 15miles from me, in York.

http://www.insiderpages.com/b/3720547251/hakes-grocery-dover


27 posted on 06/08/2013 2:52:44 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: ncpatriot
real gas not a good idea? what a putz...
28 posted on 06/08/2013 2:53:31 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

50-60% of the field corn around here was shipped overseas, from the 60s to late-80s, until this ethanol boondoggle got big and they got a bonanza payday, per bushel, for ethanol production here. Not much going overseas now. Soybeans still mostly go overseas. Two plantings of each crop, each season.


29 posted on 06/08/2013 3:16:11 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

-——a large oversupply of high-priced ethanol that has nowhere to go.——

How about drinking it?


30 posted on 06/08/2013 3:19:55 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: The Great RJ
[Small engines like in lawn mowers and especially boat motors can be totally wrecked by using a single tank full of ethanol blended gasoline.]

I think Briggs & Stratton and anyone else that manufactures small engines should have a big sticker on the fuel tank warning the buyer about gasoline with ethanol. When I figured out why my mowers ran so badly I have used nothing but ethanol-free including in my vehicles.

There's a web site listing all the ethanol-free stations in the U.S. and Canada:

http://pure-gas.org/

31 posted on 06/08/2013 3:21:12 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

ethanol

100% not from the Taliban


32 posted on 06/08/2013 3:38:00 PM PDT by RockyTx
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To: Sacajaweau
I know an old time farmer in Albion NY. He bought 100's of additional acres to raise corn for the, not so far away, ethanol plant and it's making him wealthy.

Yeah, down here in the Southern Tier, the farmers are all selling off their dairy herds and switching to corn, too. On the one hand, it does cut down on government milk payola, but, then, corn for ethanol is just another form of payola.

It's a rational economic decision on the farmers' part, but, oh, the unintended consequences.

33 posted on 06/08/2013 4:45:03 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Don't try to explain yourself to liberals; you're not the jackass-whisperer.)
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To: carriage_hill
prolly true, i only know how much the price of corn and food stuffs with corn in them have risen since this obscenity has started...
34 posted on 06/08/2013 6:06:27 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

DAMN the EPA to oblivion...their time passed before they were created. Castrate this deranged, power-grubbing, un-Constitutional agency.


35 posted on 06/08/2013 6:14:36 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Aevery_Freeman

“An excess of ethanol...”

Everclear comes to mind...make everyone in the executive branch and all agencies under its control consume one pint a day, neat. :)

The ethanol problem will soon go away and corn can become food again. Gasoline will again be gasoline...w/o the harmful effects of ethanol added.


36 posted on 06/08/2013 6:19:35 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: saleman

. So, at e-85 (85% ethanol) you would get 25.5% less mileage.


My mpg meter in the car only shows a 10% reduction when I check things out. Others think e85 is great too when they check it out this way.

BUT, when I crunch the numbers it is a 30% reduction. For some reason the auto computers are lying to us........


37 posted on 06/08/2013 6:28:22 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: Brad from Tennessee
A few years ago we saw reports that Ethanol was ruining many older marine engines, but that has now changed. Now it’s destroying new ones too. I only use Ethanol free gas in all small engines now.
38 posted on 06/08/2013 6:35:41 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Chode

The increases in corn-based foodstuffs here, are obscene, for the past 3-4yrs.


39 posted on 06/08/2013 7:01:46 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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