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CT:State took guns of man for mischief night egg fight
ctpost.com ^ | 8 June, 2013 | Ken Dixon

Posted on 06/08/2013 7:09:13 PM PDT by marktwain

HARTFORD -- A longtime gun owner who recently had his permit revoked over a 1971 Halloween egg fight was the inspiration for an amendment to the state's new gun law.

James E. Gorham, a 61-year-old Norwalk gun collector and target shooter, received a letter in January ordering him to turn in his guns; his one instance of teenage mischief disqualified him from legal gun ownership.

"I was first contacted by the Norwalk Police Department before I got a certified letter from the State Police," said Gorham, a businessman. "It was a real surprise. They told me I had been involved in domestic violence and I told them, `You've got the wrong person.' "

The letter referred to a misdemeanor charge for the egg fight, for which Gorham paid a $10 fine when he was 19.

So Gorham, manager of customer service and sales for the Norwalk Compressor Co., turned in his seven handguns to state police at Troop G in Bridgeport.

But his plight caught the attention of House Minority Leader Lawrence F. Cafero Jr., R-Norwalk, who successfully introduced a change in gun legislation that will allow people like Gorham, with lower-level misdemeanors adjudicated before 1994 that do not involve drugs or firearms, to hold onto their guns.

During the General Assembly's debate on the release of photos of the school massacre victims this week, Cafero successfully argued that the rights of his constituent -- Gorham -- had to be protected and should be part of the amendments to the landmark April gun reforms.

Now, Gorham will get his guns back and he can resume target practice at Blue Trail Range in Wallingford.

The issue surfaced last year, when the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre in Newtown sent law enforcement officials scouring through firearms records.

(Excerpt) Read more at ctpost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: banglist; confiscation; connecticut; ct; guncontrol; license; secondamendment
This is how confiscation is done. Gradually, bit by bit, until the numbers of gun owners are small enough to be inconsequential, as they were in England.
1 posted on 06/08/2013 7:09:14 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Are you sh*ttin’ me? Benghazi was “a long time ago” but this is recent? The Gestapo boys in Connecticut are doing way too many recreational drugs.


2 posted on 06/08/2013 7:12:08 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If you think ObamaCare is a train wreck, wait until you see the amnesty bill.)
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To: marktwain

I hate this state!


3 posted on 06/08/2013 7:17:37 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: marktwain
"But his plight caught the attention of House Minority Leader Lawrence F. Cafero Jr., R-Norwalk, who successfully introduced a change in gun legislation that will allow people like Gorham, with lower-level misdemeanors adjudicated before 1994 that do not involve drugs or firearms, to hold onto their guns."

So egg fights after1994 will still disqualify you. Maybe we should condenser the caliber of the egg.


4 posted on 06/08/2013 7:17:55 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (A bad hair day is not a mental issue, or is it?)
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To: marktwain

Why just before 1994?


5 posted on 06/08/2013 7:18:23 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: marktwain
But his plight caught the attention of House Minority Leader Lawrence F. Cafero Jr., R-Norwalk, who successfully introduced a change in gun legislation that will allow people like Gorham, with lower-level misdemeanors adjudicated before 1994 that do not involve drugs or firearms, to hold onto their guns.

Shouldn't the threshold be based on the person's age or number of years before present to keep from sunsetting itself? The only laws that should sunset are those that LIMIT our rights (and THEY all should), not the ones intended to protect us. Like that stupid definition of antique firearms being based on the fixed date of 1898, rather than X years before present.

6 posted on 06/08/2013 7:23:51 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: marktwain
Now, Gorham will get his guns back and he can resume target practice at Blue Trail Range in Wallingford.

I'll wager he doesn't get them back or has to sue the police to get them.

7 posted on 06/08/2013 7:25:52 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Still Thinking; All

You are correct. A small, reasonable compromise would be to define as antique any gun more than 50 years old.


8 posted on 06/08/2013 7:26:08 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Puppage

Blue Trail blows, too.


9 posted on 06/08/2013 7:27:02 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: marktwain

Wait until IRS gets our digital medical records under Obamacare! Then we’ll see some action on Mental Health and gun ownership!


10 posted on 06/08/2013 7:34:11 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: marktwain
I know it is unpopular and in some circles political incorrect. Our rights come from God, not government. As such, government cannot take our rights away.

Let's apply this to this article and more drastically, criminals in general. The man in question long paid for his transgressions against society, and I think every one will agree he deserves to have his arms back. Now let's take a criminal that is released from jail today. He was in jail for 10 years for some offense. I really do not care what it is, but if justice is right, he paid his due to society. Doesn't this man deserve a clean slate at least for his most fundamental rights, such as a right to self defense? Is he able to speak his mind? Should he be subject to warrantless searchers? I contend he does.

Now if you have a problem with giving a man his rights back due to his actions in the past, perhaps he needs to stay in jail. There are plenty of offenses that I think demand longer jail terms. In other words, longer punishments. But most of America doesn't think in term of punishment for crimes, do they? Perhaps that is a problem in our justice system.

As a Christian I do not have a problem with punishment and redemption. We are all sinners. We all need forgiveness.

11 posted on 06/08/2013 7:35:19 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: marktwain
You are correct. A small, reasonable compromise would be to define as antique any gun more than 50 years old.

In the antique collecting world anything a hundred years old or older, is considered an antique, 50 years or older is considered an relic which is what the ATF goes by though instead of 1897 or older it should now be 1913 or older for antiques.

12 posted on 06/08/2013 7:36:41 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Now let's take a criminal that is released from jail today. He was in jail for 10 years for some offense. I really do not care what it is, but if justice is right, he paid his due to society. Doesn't this man deserve a clean slate at least for his most fundamental rights, such as a right to self defense?

Until the Gun Control Act of 1968, that is how it worked, you could get your guns back, or buy a new one, even if you were a felon.

13 posted on 06/08/2013 7:40:13 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: Inyo-Mono
Until the Gun Control Act of 1968, that is how it worked, you could get your guns back, or buy a new one, even if you were a felon.

I like to think that things were better in 1968 than today ... and yes, I remember 1968, although I was not an adult. I certainly had more freedom and liberty, and for some time after that.

Just so it is known. I am completely against all gun control, even going back to 1934.

14 posted on 06/08/2013 7:45:31 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: ThomasThomas

I hope it doesn’t get lost in the shuffle that the state of CT defined an egg fight as “violence”.

Please...


15 posted on 06/08/2013 7:52:06 PM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: mac_truck

“I’ll wager he doesn’t get them back or has to sue the police to get them.”

Precisely what Mrs. RQSR, and I said as we read the article.


16 posted on 06/08/2013 7:52:14 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
I like to think that things were better in 1968 than today ... and yes, I remember 1968, although I was not an adult.

I was 18 in 1968 and could drive around with my .22 rifle in my car with hardly a glance from the police. Bought bricks of .22s for target practice at hardware and liquor stores. America was much freer then.

17 posted on 06/08/2013 7:52:50 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: Inyo-Mono
I was in high school in the 70's and guns at school were never a concern. I was in college in the 80's and there guns in the dorm ... to go hunting. We never even thought about it for personal protection because that wasn't a worry, although we certainly would defend ourselves without thinking.

I have to think that it was the under GWH Bush that things started to go down hill. Clinton certainly made it much worse, and W. didn't do anything to improve it.

18 posted on 06/08/2013 8:02:53 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: marktwain

So in a roundabout way, confiscating guns from a 40-year-retired egg fighter will prevent mass murder...ok, got it.


19 posted on 06/08/2013 8:04:24 PM PDT by jughandle
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To: Husker24

Because it is for his buddy, not for the people of Connecticut?


20 posted on 06/08/2013 8:19:04 PM PDT by man_in_tx
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To: jughandle

So in a roundabout way, confiscating guns from a 40-year-retired egg fighter will prevent mass murder...ok, got it.

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Bingo!


21 posted on 06/08/2013 8:19:29 PM PDT by man_in_tx
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To: ConservativeInPA

I have to think that it was the under GWH Bush that things started to go down hill. Clinton certainly made it much worse, and W. didn’t do anything to improve it.

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There isn’t a dime’s worth of difference (on most issues) between the Bushes and Clinton and Obama.

Well, okay, maybe a dime’s.


22 posted on 06/08/2013 8:20:52 PM PDT by man_in_tx
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To: Inyo-Mono
I was 18 in 1968 and could drive around with my .22 rifle in my car with hardly a glance from the police. Bought bricks of .22s for target practice at hardware and liquor stores. America was much freer then.

In 1966 we would bring our shotguns to High School and leave them in our vehicles if we had planned on going hunting after school. Our principal knew this and the police knew this. Hell they could see them in the back window of our pickups. This was ordinary and not one of us would have even contemplated using our weapon in an illegal action.

When I went to University our dorm mother would keep our weapons for us in her quarters. If we went hunting or to the firing range we would check them out from her. When we returned we would take our weapon to our dorm room and clean them and then return them to the dorm mother whom would check them back into her quarters. This was in Louisiana.

Times have changed and much for the worse.

23 posted on 06/08/2013 8:24:02 PM PDT by cpdiii
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To: ConservativeInPA
I think there should be some period of time (not 50 years)after he has completed his sentence before his 2nd amendment rights are restored so that he can show that he has in fact been redeemed.
24 posted on 06/08/2013 8:33:36 PM PDT by Vietnam Vet From New Mexico (If you don't want to stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them.)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Same here. Walked into a store and bought a Marlin .22 while at college around 1970. We used to go down to the Missouri River bottoms for shooting with bricks of .22 ammo. No problem buying the rifle, the ammo, and nobody thought twice about me having it in my fraternity room.


25 posted on 06/08/2013 8:33:49 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: marktwain

Have you ever had a parking ticket? Too bad. You’re disqualified from keeping and bearing arms.


26 posted on 06/08/2013 8:46:45 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: ConservativeInPA
Now if you have a problem with giving a man his rights back due to his actions in the past, perhaps he needs to stay in jail.

Excellent post. You hit the nail on the head.

When a debt is paid, it's paid. If a man robs a bank and is sentenced to 15 years, my understanding is that at the end of the 15 years all rights are restored. If he is paroled, he is still serving his sentence, in effect demonstrating his intention to mind the law. Only after completing the 15 years of his sentence should he have those rights restored.

27 posted on 06/08/2013 8:51:01 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: txrangerette

I don’t think the term “domestic violence” even EXISTED in statutory law in 1971! Ex post facto much, CT? /s;)


28 posted on 06/08/2013 8:53:30 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: ThomasThomas

It is not the calibar of the eggs, it is the high capacity egg cartons. Who needs eighteen eggs in a carton?


29 posted on 06/08/2013 9:10:33 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: marktwain

Well now, how did the CT Stater’s know he had ANY firearms?

Screw registration!


30 posted on 06/08/2013 10:32:42 PM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Eighteen eggs? Piker, FLATS are the way to go! 30 eggs per flat! Woo Hoo


31 posted on 06/09/2013 2:04:38 AM PDT by Don W (There is no gun problem, there is a lack of humanity problem!)
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To: marktwain

Good night! That was sure a close call for Mr. Gorham. If it weren’t for special legislation he would gun less. It makes me say that our Second Amendment rights are hanging by a thread. The stupid people of Connecticut have egg on their face for letting their state government go crazy with their gun laws.


32 posted on 06/09/2013 3:29:52 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: mac_truck; Puppage

Why does someone from Norwalk have to go all the way to Wallingford for a range?


33 posted on 06/09/2013 4:46:08 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: marktwain

Connecticut needs to leave the Union, and join North Korea, where the behavior of its government would be more appropriate.


34 posted on 06/09/2013 5:05:54 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

They don’t unless they’re shooting rifles. There’s a an indoor pistol range in Norwalk, though.


35 posted on 06/09/2013 5:29:24 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks marktwain.
A longtime gun owner who recently had his permit revoked over a 1971 Halloween egg fight...

36 posted on 06/09/2013 10:49:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: marktwain
So Gorham, manager of customer service and sales for the Norwalk Compressor Co., turned in his seven handguns to state police at Troop G in Bridgeport.

I want to know why he gave them to them. I'd have told them to feel free to come on down and pick them up if they thought it was so important. At least that way you'd be sure you were shooting genuine jackboots.

37 posted on 06/09/2013 1:00:01 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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That's just the type of question a government snoop would ask.

My response would be none of your g-d business.

38 posted on 06/09/2013 6:07:47 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: marktwain; All
Outlawed high-capacity magazines available here.
39 posted on 06/10/2013 1:50:45 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: mac_truck
That's just the type of question a government snoop would ask.

My response would be none of your g-d business.


Not being a government snoop, I have no idea what kind of question he would ask. Being from Wallingford, Connecticut, I know that it would be inconvenient to have to go all the way to Wallingford along a crowded highway (Merritt Pkwy or I-95/91) to go shooting. It's not like the one in Wallingford is world-class or something.

I wasn't interested his motivation, just lamenting the apparent lack of shooting ranges in an area that doesn't have a lot of open spaces available to the general public.
40 posted on 06/10/2013 3:42:46 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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