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Fracturing in California - Democrats revolt against a ban on oil and gas 'fracking.'
Wall Street Journal ^ | June 7, 2013 | Masthead Editorial

Posted on 06/08/2013 11:37:15 PM PDT by neverdem

Few issues divide Democrats more than energy policy, as we've learned as unions and environmentalists fight over the Keystone XL pipeline. More evidence now comes from California, where greens have lost an attempt to ban oil and gas hydraulic fracturing.

Democratic leaders brought their fracking moratorium bill to the Assembly floor last week, and their rank and file revolted. The bill lost 37-24, with 12 Democrats joining 25 Republicans to defeat it. Another 18 Democrats abstained, and it's a good bet they were "no" votes who didn't want to publicly cross their leadership. This was a rare rout of the Sierra Club and other greens that denounce "fracking" for polluting water and inducing earthquakes, among other horrors. They blamed the oil and gas lobby, but that hides the real story.

The votes for the fracking ban came mainly from the wealthy, mostly white Democratic coastal districts—San Francisco, Santa Monica and Malibu. Opponents were mostly from central California, areas that are poor and minority, with rates of unemployment of 12% or more. Six of the seven black assembly Democrats voted against the ban or abstained. Though the Assembly speaker is Hispanic, most of the rank-and-file Latino Democrats refused to vote for the ban.

These Democrats understand that fracking is already happening in California, especially in energy-rich Bakersfield. According to the California Independent Petroleum Association, about one-third of the active wells now use this innovative drilling process that uses chemicals, sand and water to crack shale rock. A moratorium would throw thousands of Californians out of work, and not those in Beverly Hills. Oil and gas jobs typically pay salaries that range from $50,000 to $100,000 a year and many of them are unionized.

California sits atop the vast Monterey Shale that contains an estimated 15 billion barrels of oil. That's twice...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; energy; frackbabyfrack; fracking; frak; naturalgas; oil; shale; sierraclub

1 posted on 06/08/2013 11:37:15 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Steve Van Doorn; Syncro; ProtectOurFreedom; vrwc1; Citizen James; abigail2; ...

What the heck ping, but in the idiom of a grunt.


2 posted on 06/08/2013 11:42:41 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: neverdem
The votes for the fracking ban came mainly from the wealthy, mostly white Democratic coastal districts—San Francisco, Santa Monica and Malibu.

In short, the limousine liberals with their holier than thou (if that's the right phrase to use!) attitude. Sorry, with the high price of gasoline here in California, anything that will send the price higher won't cut it with voters. Does anyone remember the movie Promised Land starring Matt Damon, which proved not only to be a box-office failure but was rightfully denounced for its innumerable inaccuracies?

3 posted on 06/08/2013 11:48:50 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: neverdem

This is great news! My sister inherited land from Dad that has natural gas under it, in Kings County CA.

We were afraid the enviro-weenies were going to successfully try and stop fracking.

The American Land Conservancy has been trying to buy those parcels. I suspect for a land swap involving the BLM, as in Nevada 20-years ago, the one that involved Sen.Harry Reid.


4 posted on 06/08/2013 11:52:28 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: neverdem
Wow good news, Frack, Baby, Frack!

I'd love to also see those beautiful pumping stations that can be looked at off shore from the beach putting out that good old Black Gold again!

The environmentalists should be behind that as it would take the pressure off and we wouldn't have those tar balls (from oil oozing out the ocean floor) messing up the pretty beaches anymore.

If true blue (red white and) Patriotic Americans ever get the reins again here in California we will indeed be the Golden State again.

5 posted on 06/09/2013 12:21:26 AM PDT by Syncro ("So?")
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To: Syncro

DRILL BABY DRILL... is now FRACK BABY FRACK!!!


6 posted on 06/09/2013 12:30:21 AM PDT by antceecee
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To: SatinDoll

I hope that all works out for the family.

Several states are talking about selling government owned land to the citizens (Nevada for one, the gov owns most of thT state), that would be a real boon here in California.

Your sister needs to keep watch so the enviroWACKOS don’t dump a pail of water on her land and declare it a wetland!


7 posted on 06/09/2013 12:34:14 AM PDT by Syncro ("So?")
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To: antceecee

Oh yea You Betcha!


8 posted on 06/09/2013 12:39:22 AM PDT by Syncro ("So?")
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To: Syncro
Can you hire a rig (just drilling for water.....)

Oh My.....they went a bit too deep.....and struck oil instead.

9 posted on 06/09/2013 12:41:38 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: spokeshave

Now there is an idea, oops struck oil...

Heh, reminds me of the Beverly Hillbillies, “bubblin’ crude”


10 posted on 06/09/2013 1:01:15 AM PDT by Syncro ("So?")
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To: SatinDoll

Who owns the mineral rights?


11 posted on 06/09/2013 1:02:49 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 3Fingas

My sister now does. This land has been in the family for over a century.


12 posted on 06/09/2013 2:51:20 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SatinDoll

Good luck to her.

Most real estate transactions now-a-days don’t convey mineral rights. It’s good that your family has owned it for so long.
That’s a real treasure.


13 posted on 06/09/2013 3:31:47 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: antceecee
FRACK BABY FRACK!!!

Sounds like the title of a BattleStar Galactica Episode...

14 posted on 06/09/2013 4:25:46 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: 3Fingas; SatinDoll
"Who owns the mineral rights?"

As the article points out, they are talking about the Monterray Shale, of which, a large part of it is split estate. The surface rights are privately owned and the subsurface rights or mineral rights are owned by the BLM.

Obama's Interior Dept first auctioned a smaller portion of these BLM subsurface rights in 2011 and then a larger portion in Dec 2012.

When it comes to drilling in a split estate, the surface owners don't receive royalties so they usually oppose drilling.

Whereas SatinDoll's sister owns both the surface and sub-surface rights, there are going to be a landowners opposed to this drilling because they have to suffer the activity of drilling but won't receive a royalty. NIMBYs.

The sister's land is probably not covered by this activity thus far, but a oil company land man could approach her in the future about a drilling lease. It is always a good idea to talk to a lawyer first.

15 posted on 06/09/2013 4:52:38 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: neverdem
....about one-third of the active wells now use this innovative drilling process that uses chemicals, sand and water to crack shale rock.

What are the chemicals used and are the same chemicals used at every frack site?

I'm a 'drill baby drill' kinda guy, just curious.

16 posted on 06/09/2013 5:39:22 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: spokeshave; Syncro

The days of Jed Clampett’s easy oil, Spindletop, etc, were long gone decades ago.


17 posted on 06/09/2013 6:14:22 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: neverdem

Good news for California. This was sanity prevailing in the form of raw self interest, which is about as close to enlightened as Democrats get. I will say that a part of me (probably the bad part) wouldn’t have minded seeing Cali pass the ban thereby hastening its slide into liberal dystopia. Now they’ll have a thriving energy sector propping things up.


18 posted on 06/09/2013 6:16:23 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Vinnie

A couple good introduction on the subject.

http://www.halliburton.com/public/projects/pubsdata/hydraulic_fracturing/fracturing_101.html

http://fracfocus.org/hydraulic-fracturing-process


19 posted on 06/09/2013 6:16:56 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: neverdem

I guess the people who profit from the fracking can buy a Democrat.


20 posted on 06/09/2013 6:19:00 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: neverdem

Follow the money, folks!

I live in the Marcellus Shale.

Our school district just cut taxes in half thanks to revenues from hydrocarbon extraction. It is a conservatively run district, so, they didn’t just “spend” the increased revenues....not something you see in the more liberally controlled school districts.

Even liberals have a hard time turning down money like that!


21 posted on 06/09/2013 6:22:19 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Vinnie
What are the chemicals used and are the same chemicals used at every frack site?

See FracFocus, What Chemicals Are Used.

22 posted on 06/09/2013 6:34:41 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Syncro

In the irony of ironies, Beverly Hills High School has its own oil well...


23 posted on 06/09/2013 6:41:22 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Whereas SatinDoll's sister owns both the surface and sub-surface rights, there are going to be a landowners opposed to this drilling because they have to suffer the activity of drilling but won't receive a royalty.

Owners of surface rights are due compensation for disturbance of the surface, can rent out rights-of-way for roads, pipelines, etc, and are in a position to demand surface damages and production location rent as well, if production infrastructure is positioned or drilling activity is carried out on their property.

Have a knowledgeable attorney look over any contracts before signing--if it isn't in print, it isn't included--make sure the compensation is sufficient and comprehensive in print before signing.

Just leasing or owning mineral rights does not grant access or surface rights.

24 posted on 06/09/2013 6:50:27 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: SatinDoll
I suspect for a land swap involving the BLM, as in Nevada 20-years ago, the one that involved Sen.Harry Reid.

Boy that bring up a memory...

A freeper here eons ago and I got on the topic of micro-turbines and the exotic metals in any jet engine. he quipped ( and I can't remember the nick-name) of the enviromental types that buy up tracks of land full of minerals etc and sit on it for eons knowing full well it will be worth a fortune. His point was turbines would be cheaper if we went after the metals which the enviro-weenies are sitting on. I don't totally agree, they are expensive engines, but you get the point.

So what else is Reid sitting on?

I am so cynical that I would bet a donut and coffee that Prince Andrew in NY is stalling Fracking their so all the cronies, hacks and lackies and buy up the land and clean up in the deal...

Progressive / Liberals talk a good line about being for the people bla, bla, bla, but when it comes to their taxes or making money they are vicious, been their, done that...

25 posted on 06/09/2013 6:52:43 AM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: Erik Latranyi
Even liberals have a hard time turning down money like that!

That's why I posted a while back that the CA enviros would be thrown under the bus when it came to fracking - just TOO much money for the Democrats' other spending plans to resist.

26 posted on 06/09/2013 7:08:50 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: 3Fingas

mineral rights are owned by most farmers...My husband and I bought a 10 1/2 acre farm, we also at that time aquired the mineral rights....The law in that township said no farm animals unless you had over 10 acres...thats why it was sold and a 10 1/2 acre farm. Also affected our taxes as argiculture and not resident homestead.... This was back in 1985.


27 posted on 06/09/2013 9:16:30 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: neverdem

Fracturing = Earth Quakes

They already have fracturing drill baby drill


28 posted on 06/09/2013 9:43:15 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Yardstick
This was sanity prevailing in the form of raw self interest

Well said -- all of your post. It's that part about CA sliding into a liberal dystopia that illustrates their total hypocrisy. Their actual self interest isn't financial, it's about power. And yes, it's nice to have other people's money around to finance more liberal lunacy as well...as long as the voters in Malibu, Santa Monica, San Francisco etc. aren't inconvenienced by the actual drilling.

29 posted on 06/09/2013 9:51:45 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: thackney
So I can stop going out to the back 40 and shooting at the ground hoping to produce a gusher of oil?

: > )

Seriously though, things have changed a lot in the last few decades.

It's amazing because of the lack of future technology back towards the last few decades of the last century, alarmist/environmentalists were predicting running out of oil long before today.

The reserves are monumental with what has been found, and possible to extract, with the advances in technology.

30 posted on 06/09/2013 10:45:49 AM PDT by Syncro ("So?")
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Thanks neverdem.


31 posted on 06/09/2013 10:57:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: neverdem

Whoa, a glimmer of sanity here in California. Who’d a thunk it?


32 posted on 06/09/2013 7:17:27 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: RayChuang88

What this article shows is that for all their protested and fronted indifference to money, Democrats love money.


33 posted on 06/10/2013 4:29:31 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
That's why Pennsylvania and Ohio are openly supporting fracking and as a result, both states will experience economic booms from NOT having to import natural gas from out of state. Indeed, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo's reluctance to allow fracking could cost that state TENS of billions in state revenue.
34 posted on 06/10/2013 5:43:37 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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