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Scouts Sending up the White Flag
Lifesite news ^ | 6-8-13 | Anthony Esolen

Posted on 06/09/2013 4:56:56 AM PDT by lastmomstanding

Do not suppose that your enemies will be placated by your surrender. You will be pressured to accept openly homosexual scoutmasters, then “transgender” girls who say they are boys or the Prince of Wales or male aliens from Alpha Centauri 3, then girls generally for all your programs, as they’ve done in Canada, only to see their membership go the way of the Church of Canada, since no one will stand up for someone who stands for nothing. 


You have betrayed your friends to assuage your enemies. May they treat you more handsomely than you have treated us.

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1 posted on 06/09/2013 4:56:57 AM PDT by lastmomstanding
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To: lastmomstanding
The national council did their voting in secret ~ that way we don't know who the pedophiles are, but we can treat all 1200 of them as if they are among that number ~ should be correct 720 times!

Being publicly identified as having pedophile proclivities ~ all 1200 of them ~ should be enough to hurt some personal credit ratings, and might be something their ladies might keep in mind for use in divorce court.

2 posted on 06/09/2013 5:01:04 AM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: lastmomstanding

Nobody has to put their kid in a troop run by a Scoutmaster they don’t trust
period

They can start their own troop instead


3 posted on 06/09/2013 5:03:14 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: silverleaf

Let the BSA die. It is over.


4 posted on 06/09/2013 5:08:35 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: bmwcyle

That is a misinformed and quite cowardly statement.

Those who think about the BSA as you do are a minority of a minority of a minority.

You will be an anti BSA activistnow just to soothe your own ego. That is wrong


5 posted on 06/09/2013 5:14:19 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: silverleaf

>>Nobody has to put their kid in a troop run by a Scoutmaster they don’t trust.<<

I’m thinking that’s not the point. Scout leadership betrayed the very values they’ve taken an oath to uphold.

Homosexuality is NOT normal. By voting to accept openly homosexual scouts, you’ve essentially accepted homosexuality as normal. It’s only a matter of time, the gay agenda will sue to force openly gay scout leaders.


6 posted on 06/09/2013 5:17:14 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: lastmomstanding

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7 posted on 06/09/2013 5:17:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('He frustrates the devices of the crafty, so that they cannot carry out their plans.' -- Job 5:12)
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To: lastmomstanding
For 50 years the majority of my charitable donations have gone to the Boy Scouts or the Salvation Army because I had confidence that those two organizations would do the right thing with my money.

Sadly, only the SA will hear from me in the future.

If an organization will desert its core principles it is no longer worthy of respect -- or support.

The Homomob will now turn its attack to the SA. If the Army is defeated we won't have to look further for Gomorrah -- we'll be there.

(These are the thoughts of a one-time Boy Scout and the father of two Eagle Scouts.)

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8 posted on 06/09/2013 5:18:04 AM PDT by JCG
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To: bmwcyle
Let the BSA die. It is over.

Yup.

9 posted on 06/09/2013 5:18:46 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('He frustrates the devices of the crafty, so that they cannot carry out their plans.' -- Job 5:12)
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To: silverleaf
Nobody has to put their kid in a troop run by a Scoutmaster they don’t trust
period

When they go to camp or National Jamboree they don't know what "scoutmasters" they'll have. (Except for the ones that come with them.)

Infiltrate a few NAMBLA members here and there and then see what you have.

(These are the thoughts of a one-time Boy Scout and the father of two Eagle Scouts.)

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10 posted on 06/09/2013 5:24:19 AM PDT by JCG
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To: lastmomstanding

BSA is over - zip, nada, no support from me - Eagle Scout. I hope many churches just say enough. The organization is virtually over with.


11 posted on 06/09/2013 5:27:51 AM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: servantboy777

The number of openly homosexual boys making application will be between 0 and nil. Almost no boys above 13 or 14 ever become scouts.

You are projecting what is pretty much a non problem.

The queer scouts will develop from boys already in the troop. There will be almost none


12 posted on 06/09/2013 5:28:16 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: bert
There is no half way anymore.

Revelation 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

You are the coward.

13 posted on 06/09/2013 5:31:32 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: bert; bmwcyle
That is a misinformed and quite cowardly statement.

What is cowardly is not standing up for 'honor' but submitting to dishonor. Now the BSA have none! Who would support a bunch of cowards - not me and my house.

14 posted on 06/09/2013 5:33:27 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Drivel....... cutting off your nose to spite your face and pat your self on the back


15 posted on 06/09/2013 5:36:02 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: bmwcyle

Bible verses not allowed in this discussion


16 posted on 06/09/2013 5:36:41 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: bert
The queer scouts will develop from boys already in the troop. There will be almost none

It's not a question of numbers but of principles. Ever hear of morally straight?

(These are the thoughts of a one-time Boy Scout and the father of two Eagle Scouts.)

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17 posted on 06/09/2013 5:36:44 AM PDT by JCG
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To: JCG

I support your position 100%, though I would just like to point out please two things:

1) No change has been made yet in actual policy real-time. I personally support a shake-up at national BSA whereby the gay influence is removed and the old policy returned.

2) No adult gay admission was made.

(yet).

The BSA made a HUGE mistake. They should overturn it now.

(former scout here, as well)


18 posted on 06/09/2013 5:37:56 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: bert

It isn’t about gay scouts. Get that through your head. It’s about Gay Scout Leaders!! Allowing gay scouts is just a stepping stone.


19 posted on 06/09/2013 5:41:06 AM PDT by Mathews (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV), Luke 22:36 (NIV))
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To: lastmomstanding

It was the queers who turned this into a sex thing.

Before that, I supported the BSA 100%. It was about building boys and men of character, of duty, who had talents and knowledge.

Now, there is no way you could give the Boy Scouts a single damn nickel and not have some perv somewhere taking that as a sign that you support them.

My money goes to Salvation Army. At least until the whack jobs take them over too.

Somebody in this damn country needs to grow a spine!


20 posted on 06/09/2013 5:42:19 AM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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21 posted on 06/09/2013 5:42:46 AM PDT by narses
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To: hondact200

This makes me remember the days of pre-Vatican 2 when Catholics were actually discouraged from joining the scouts. They had their own version of it which was pretty tame. I was never allowed to be a Brownie because it was perceived as a Protestant organization! Maybe some of those who cooked up this negative idea had a premonition of the future.


22 posted on 06/09/2013 5:43:32 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
With a 60% majority I think it's a done deal. I hate it, but that's life.

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23 posted on 06/09/2013 5:44:41 AM PDT by JCG
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To: bmwcyle

What needs to happen is all of those private church based youth groups need to come together as a single entity using the constitution and religious rights as a basis for going forward with a totally new organization. Go back to what scouting was originally intended and go further to promote and teach our God give rights including teaching them the proper use of all weapons in the right of self defense.

I made it to Life with two Merit Badges to go before Eagle. I was sidetracked by focusing on my Brotherhood in the Order of the Arrow, then life got in the way because I needed to go to work. And from there on to my enlistment in the U.S. Army where I excelled because of what I learned as an Army Brat and a Scout who almost made it all the way. The Order of the Arrow, at the time, was the very best training for a subsequent stint in the military.

So, for one who was in the Scouts both in the USA and Europe, I say those gutless “leaders” who sold out to pagan forces can Kiss My Grits.


24 posted on 06/09/2013 5:44:44 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: bert

This is Sunday, conversely then, non-biblical quotes should not be allowed in this discussion as well.


25 posted on 06/09/2013 5:45:56 AM PDT by aloppoct (stucnsf)
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To: bert

You can call it drivel all you want - placing a name of my comment is weak and means squat.

You betcha - I’ll pat my back and all the families that show they know what ‘honor’ is. If one can’t do the right thing when the tests comes - they never had it before. HONOR to all that turns it back towards evil. The homo’s get BSA and the scouts keep their honor.


26 posted on 06/09/2013 5:46:46 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: JCG

Don’t know about that.

Though I haven’t been active for quite a while.

This is electrified (in a very negative way) Scouts. Tens of millions of scouts.

I’m sure those who made the change, have had second thoughts.

And I’m sure those who have not had second thoughts, should be removed and replaced.

Just saying. Thanks for your comment.


27 posted on 06/09/2013 5:48:17 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: mazda77

Follow the money, gutless leaders received the corp. donations. Very small amount passed down to lower levels.


28 posted on 06/09/2013 5:54:17 AM PDT by TweetEBird007
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I’m sure those who made the change, have had second thoughts.

And I’m sure those who have not had second thoughts, should be removed and replaced.

I pray that it happens.

(These are the thoughts of a one-time Boy Scout and the father of two Eagle Scouts.)

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29 posted on 06/09/2013 6:03:38 AM PDT by JCG
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To: silverleaf

This has nothing to do with trusting local scoutmasters. I trust my local scoutmaster, but he still is required to admit openly homosexual boys (and transgendered girls)as of Jan. 1st, and it won’t be long before he is required to admit openly homosexual adult leaders. Not my kids. Not on my watch.


30 posted on 06/09/2013 6:05:08 AM PDT by lastmomstanding
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To: bert

How do you think we should consider the BSA now, if not dead?
Are you pro homosexual?


31 posted on 06/09/2013 6:05:08 AM PDT by lastmomstanding
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To: bert

The problem is not just the presence of homosexual scouts (and soon-leaders). It is that BSA is now ENDORSING homosexuality, plain and simple. Unless you are pro homosexual, you will have a problem with that.


32 posted on 06/09/2013 6:05:09 AM PDT by lastmomstanding
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To: bmwcyle

Finish the verse-”So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.”

No, there is no half way. You are either for Christ or against Him. There is nothing in between.


33 posted on 06/09/2013 6:05:09 AM PDT by lastmomstanding
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To: lastmomstanding

Sad to see what we hold dear being given up so easily.

Its hard to oppose this momentum against us, whether it is in our constitutional values being trampled, lying presidents, atty generals, sec of treasurers, many govt officials, etc...

Those of us who point it out and speak of it are often the ones who are vilified...”oh, get over it. They all do it”, they say...

“Oh, well that makes it ok for them to slowly destroy our way of life”, I think to myself...


34 posted on 06/09/2013 6:07:01 AM PDT by Former MSM Viewer
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To: lastmomstanding; All

Get out of the BSA. They have gone to Satan. You will only be supporting sin. Save the soul of your children.


35 posted on 06/09/2013 6:10:58 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: lastmomstanding

Send up the “white flag”?

Believe me, the homosexual crowd now senses weakness and will now not stop until the Boy Scouts of America send up the Rainbow ‘Gay Pride’ Flag. Take it to the bank.


36 posted on 06/09/2013 6:11:39 AM PDT by House Atreides
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Believe me, the homosexual crowd now senses weakness and will now not stop until the Boy Scouts of America send up the Rainbow ‘Gay Pride’ Flag. Take it to the bank.

Sad but true. The Homomob, like the Mafia, does business only one way -- do what we want or be destroyed.

Sometimes doing what they want destroys you anyway.

(These are the thoughts of a one-time Boy Scout and the father of two Eagle Scouts.)

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37 posted on 06/09/2013 6:18:20 AM PDT by JCG
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To: JCG

When they go to camp or National Jamboree they don’t know what “scoutmasters” they’ll have. (Except for the ones that come with them.)

Infiltrate a few NAMBLA members here and there and then see what you have.

(These are the thoughts of a one-time Boy Scout and the father of two Eagle Scouts.)


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38 posted on 06/09/2013 6:29:10 AM PDT by Maudeen (Proverbs 3:5-6)
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To: mazda77

It was a joy to read your post. I often reminisce about my days is scouting and fondly remember being elected to the Order of the Arrow. My time spanned between 1957 and 1966 but I could see some not so good changes taking place back then.

Our entire troop would summer camp at Pine Grove Furnace in PA and one year we shared the camp ground with another troop. That troop’s leaders did all the cooking, cleaning, camp setup and routine chores and the boys were pretty much left with a lot a spare time they wasted on vandalism and malicious mischief. I never made Eagle but this other troop had more than you could shake a stick at and considering their lack camping skills, it was puzzling to me at that time.

This latest move by BSA is a complete betrayal of everything Lord Baden-Powell tried to impart into scouting. How can anyone take the Scout Oath and Laws seriously anymore? It is truly a sad moment.


39 posted on 06/09/2013 6:29:54 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: bert
Bible verses not allowed in this discussion

Are you with the ACLU?

40 posted on 06/09/2013 6:34:28 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: hondact200

The Cub Scouts came to my door collecting for a bottle drive last weekend, and for the first time ever, I told them I had no bottles or cans. I did feel bad because we have always supported Scouting, my son was in Scouts, my husband was a Weblo leader, and we’ve always bought what ever they were selling: popcorn, Christmas greens, etc. They are no longer “morally upright”. I can not support them any longer, especially when they had actually won a Supreme Court decision on the gay issue two or three years ago.


41 posted on 06/09/2013 6:43:34 AM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: lastmomstanding
This whole thing has not been about allowing homosexual Scouts. It is about destroying anything that does not celebrate homosexuality.

Scouting (if it continues to exist) will now have to have some training of the Scouts on how to behave and accommodate homosexual Scouts. This alone sexualizes a youth program that does not need it.

Our Troop will not re-charter in the fall. The commitment to the male youth is still there. I just will not be through Scouting.

Eagle Scout ‘69
Scouter 2001-1013

42 posted on 06/09/2013 6:50:50 AM PDT by super7man
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To: silverleaf; bert; lastmomstanding

from the article
Do you know, Scoutmasters, what you have done?

This is a mistake in the article. The Scoutmaster did not vote, it was a group of roughly 1200 appointed delegates that were present, there were roughly 200 no show delegates. The vote was basically 60/40 in favor of accepting homosexuals.

In fact Scoutmaster were overwhelmingly against the change, with over 2/3 wanting to retain the policy. Remember, back in July 2012 BSA completed a 2 year study by a committee of 200 that the current policy was the best for Scouting. The BSA statement;

“After careful consideration of a resolution asking the Boy Scouts of America to reconsider its longstanding membership standards policy, today the organization affirmed its current policy, stating that it remains in the best interest of Scouting and that there will be no further action taken on the resolution,”

Immediately after that two members of the Boy Scouts’ executive board, James S. Turley, chairman and chief executive of Ernst & Young, and Randall L. Stephenson, chairman and chief executive of AT&T, have recently said they would push to end the exclusion policy......
Our belief is that change at any organization must come from within to be successful and sustainable.”

ALL Scoutmaster will now be forced to accept open and avowed homosexuals and can not dismiss them from Scouting due to homosexuality. Everyone keeps saying that homosexual leaders are not allowed in Scouting, that is true only for adults, they do not understand the Scouting method. Scouts is YOUTH led. That means you can have a 17 year old Senior patrol leader who is homosexual, leading the troop. A 11 year old Webelo who enters the troop looks up to that 17 year old and emulates/admires him. Do parents really want thay 17 year old as a model for their 11 year old.

Adult Homosexuals will be in Scouting very soon. By this decision the BSA has lost all legal standing from the Supreme Court ( Dale case) for protection. Soon after that there will be no membership standards, just like Scouting Canada and Brittian.

BSA committed suicide, Sadly it should die.

Scouting has left my family, we did not leave Scouting. As my son said “ the only way to uphold the Scout Oath and Scout Law is to no longer be a Scout”

signed
A former Scoutmaster


43 posted on 06/09/2013 6:52:49 AM PDT by lost in the snow (One PO'ed Scout Master and Proud of the HIGH moral ground)
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To: bert

This change was not about homosexual scouts, it is merely a step to homosexual adult leaders. The BSA has no legal recourse to keeping them out.


44 posted on 06/09/2013 6:58:30 AM PDT by lost in the snow (One PO'ed Scout Master and Proud of the HIGH moral ground)
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To: JCG

Which the Boy Scout web page describes as, “...remain faithful in your religious beliefs. The values you practice as a Scout will help you shape a life of virtue and self-reliance.” How are they going to honor one boy’s religious belief while accommodating another boy’s activism?


45 posted on 06/09/2013 7:04:02 AM PDT by Yogafist
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To: bmwcyle
It is over.

Afraid so. The term "Boy Scouts" will forever be tainted (i.e., like the simple word gay). Best start a new organization, with a new name, and strengthened values. Let this shameful act by the directors of BSA, serve as an example to all who would abandon their virtue, and their honor, to appease those who have neither.

46 posted on 06/09/2013 7:13:06 AM PDT by Errant
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To: lost in the snow
Everyone keeps saying that homosexual leaders are not allowed in Scouting, that is true only for adults, they do not understand the Scouting method. Scouts is YOUTH led. That means you can have a 17 year old Senior patrol leader who is homosexual, leading the troop. A 11 year old Webelo who enters the troop looks up to that 17 year old and emulates/admires him. Do parents really want thay 17 year old as a model for their 11 year old.

This is absolutely true.

(These are the thoughts of a one-time Boy Scout and the father of two Eagle Scouts.)

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47 posted on 06/09/2013 7:27:51 AM PDT by JCG
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To: JCG

BSA has always admitted homosexual boys who kept it a secret

and a disturbing number of pedophile men became Scoutmasters by passing God knows what character test, despite any policy

ask your 2 Eagles if they ever met a gay kid or adult at a national jamboree! How about an international jamboree? WOSM: whoo eee

and I assume they went to those events with leaders of your choosing whose job it was to make sure no one followed them into the shower tent

even if some troops “find” each other and go all gay pride, march in the leather parades and all, they wont reflect any worse on the US than our own obama-military, will they?


48 posted on 06/09/2013 7:32:00 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: JCG

check out the SA position on abortion and their association with the United Way before you tip the bell ringers


49 posted on 06/09/2013 7:33:19 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: JCG
Some people are saying they're just waiting for the first lawsuit from the family of a Scout that gets molested.

I'm not. I'm waiting for the the first murder by an enraged father of the homo Scout that molested his son. Oh, yes...Sadly, I do believe that will happen.

50 posted on 06/09/2013 7:35:41 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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