Skip to comments.Congressman Rogers on NSA Phone Surveillance: ‘Greenwald Doesn’t Have a Clue How This Thing Works’
Posted on 06/09/2013 12:52:01 PM PDT by Kaslin
Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, on Sunday had harsh words for the Guardians Glenn Greenwald revealing last week that the National Security Agency is looking at phone records of virtually all Americans.
Appearing on ABCs This Week, Rogers said, I know your reporter that you interviewed, Greenwald, says that hes got it all and now is an expert on the program. He doesn't have a clue how this thing works (video follows with transcript):
Congressman Rogers on NSA Phone Surveillance: Greenwald Doesnt Have a Clue How This Thing Works
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Finally, we're just about out of time. I just want a quick answer from each of you on this. We saw that a crimes investigation has been opened. Is it fair to say that both of you believe that this investigation should be pursued and the source if found should be prosecuted?
CONGRESSMAN MIKE ROGERS, CHAIRMAN OF HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE (R-MICHIGAN): I absolutely believe that someone did not have authorization to release this information, and why thats so important, George, is because they didn't have all of the information. I know your reporter that you interviewed, Greenwald, says that hes got it all and now is an expert on the program. He doesn't have a clue how this thing works. Neither did the person who released just enough information to literally be dangerous. I argue that there's other methods. He could come to the committees if they had concerns. We have IGs that they can go to in a classified way if they have concern.
Taking a very sensitive classified program that targets foreign persons on foreign lands, and putting just enough out there to be dangerous, is dangerous to us, it's dangerous to our national security, and it violates the oath of which that person took. I absolutely think they should be prosecuted.
STEPHANOPOULOS: You too Senator Feinstein?
DIANNE FEINSTEIN, CHAIRWOMAN OF SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE (D-CALIFORNIA): I do.
Rogers is just running damage control on orders from the King
So, Rogers, what do they have on you or your important donors?
Mike Rogers goes from “acceptable” to “waste of time” on my list of senate potentials.
Then at any point in the future, if a target phone number becomes of interest (an arrested suspect’s cell phone, for example,) they can go back and query this massive database and find out every phone call made to or from that target number. Then they can track down those numbers and find out who is behind them.
Problem is, once you've been granted a warrant to get all the information at the start, you don't need to go back and ask a court permission to mine that data later. So what may be used to track down a known terrorist's other cell members today can be used by a political operative to get dirt on a potential opponent tomorrow, and there is no court or congressional oversight.
Senator Kirk. He asked holder this earlier in the week.
Seems that Holder when asked by Senator Kirk today had a great response.
Can you assure us no members of the Capitol building were monitored? asked Kirk. When Holder said he wouldnt be able to answer that question in an open forum, Kirk interrupted him. I think the correct answer is we stayed within our lane and we did not spy on members of Congress.
I see a great future for subspace radio! Those old boys will be needing to go back to shaving heads and tattooing messages otherwise!
This will become a cause celebre. The only question is whose.
They get a new warrant every 90 days don’t they?
Sorry Rogers, but as head of the Intelligence Committee you were involved up to your eyeballs in all this... you are going to be toast.
Flashback to 2011:
House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) offered a stern warning to his fellow lawmakers in a closed conference meeting Wednesday at the Capitol Hill Club: Dont you dare vote no unless you attend Muellers briefing and ask your questions.
A reporter does not have all of the information? Golly gee whiz. I bet this Congresscritter and Senator Feinswein do not have all of the information either. Did Congresscritter know the IRS was targeting all political foes of the Bamster? No? Well, why not? I am sure the Bamster kept everyone informed of what was going on in his administration.
It doesn't matter how it works...what matters is the power it gives a corrupt president.
It matters because Obama will do with the NSA just as he has done with the IRS and the EPA and the military. He will use it for political purposes.
Obama said, "the war on terror is over" as it pertains to jihadis. The only war he is now concerned with is one against those Americans who call themselves patriots and teapartiers and lovers of the Constitution.
Rogers is a Big Government supporter, not a patriot. He needs to be primaries ASAP.
Apple insists that PRIMARIED ia not a word unless it is done in all caps. Get with it, Apple.
The IRS is staffed with a bunch of idiot government "workers" while the NSA is staffed with a lot of really, really smart people.
Obama is going to be toast over this.. and so are a lot of other career politicians.
The law didnt grant the NSA unlimited powers to spy on all Americans in the U.S., so the NSA needs to be prosecuted for violating the law.
Not the whistleblower.
Time will tell.
That said, I am surprised members of Congress aren't expressing concern over the power for abuse this gives our corrupt president. Unless they are themselves either victims or otherwise involved.
If Rogers is in a truly Republican district, they really should find a way to get rid of this fake. He has to be an Obama supporter who they got past the voters.
I had a thought watching the show this morning. There were a lot of real liberals there. Are they realizing the Democratic Party would be in better shape for them in the future if Obama and his implants weren't running their show?
Yes, many in congress are likely co-conspirators with Obama's team on all this, and those who aren't are probably being blackmailed with data provided by these programs.
This guy is very smart... and I'm willing to bet that once this gains more traction that a lot of other very smart people are going to come out of the woodwork and join in.
This will make Watergate look like a parking violation investigation.
Yeah, its ALL about those temporary occupants of those offices in DC...
The bottom line is this, I do not believe we can get the jenie back in the bottle because of this data grab...Its too late...
As far as I am concerned the penalty that needs to be assesed is a complete and utter replacement of every breathing asshat inside the beltway, every damn one of them...
John Peter Zenger, pick up the white courtesy phone please!
But I know how that government thing works..
They vet the enemy and it is us.
Well me.. I just would like to know how the CHAIRWOMAN OF SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE and hubby make millions of dollars on insider information, contacts, influence. . . .
Rogers has no idea of what he doesn’t know. Plenty of unknown unknowns.
You’re neglecting the megadata they have on you. Prove they don’t have it.
Metadata. Data about the data. Duration of the call. Location of the call. Time and date of the call. That is all metadata.
As I said, once they secure the data using one legitimate FISA approved warrant, they are under no obligation to delete or destroy the data when that one case is resolved. They can keep the data forever, and consult it at some later date for an entirely unrelated puropose, without having to have any court or judge approve it's use.
I personally believe that’s what happened to Chief Justice John Roberts.
No, they also have megadata.
He was far more trusting of the Obama administration than anyone on the panel, and that includes a few who are usually pretty far left of center. They really, really didn’t like that things aren’t out in the open.
Every person at the round table was furious about the NSA surveillance, including Democrat Rep. Keith Ellison, Paul Kurgman and Matthew Dowd as well as George Will, and Greta Van Susteren.
If you saw this, you would have noticed the 45 second introduction to the round table - a clip of a similar discussion in Congress in 1975.
At the beginning of this round table, a video is shown from discussion in Congress of the same debate in 1975. (45 seconds)
Round Table Roundtable I: Privacy vs. Security
See the interview with Greenwald here.
Glenn Greenwald on ‘This Week’ (Video)
A full transcript can be found here
Michigan-based blogger Debbie Schlussel has had Rogers’ number for years:
It was a good show.
The murder-enabling rapist Assange and the murder-enabling catamite Manning haven’t been tried yet, what’s the rush?
I believe Assange falls under the same legal category as Rosen. Its illegal to give the info but its not illegal to receive or disseminate it.
I have this nagging question that I want to put forward to those with like thinking minds:
We all know about word recognition software like Dragon. Many people use it to type their comments on the Free Republic by just talking into a microphone. There is software available to take the spoken word in one language and translate it to English.
So, lets say that all the phone conversations either by cell phone or land line were recorded and put into a voice recognition software and then stored as text. You could put a great deal of conversation on storage if it was in text. And, the storage capability is growing exponentially. Once in text form, you would also have the ability to do text searches using key words and other intelligent word searches using sophisticated software.
I believe it is true that the government does not actively listen to conversations. The huge number of phone conversations daily would make the storage of them impossible. I believe that it first converts conversations to text. Then, it searches conversations using computer technology. This is not active listening because it is in text form and may avoid the legal definition of wire tapping. I am no lawyer to know if it is wire tapping for sure. However, once conversation is identified as having possible illegal activity, the court process is used to bring up all the text material from the source telephone.
So, let’s say a group of phone numbers are of interest. They should be able to have the texts of all the phone calls from these source telephones.
Am I correct in this idea?
He doth protest too loudly....
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