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Big Brother isnít watching you (Bush Administration Wants to Bail Out Obama)
Washington Post ^ | Monday, June 10 | Marc A. Thiessen

Posted on 06/10/2013 12:18:06 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Apparently the “chilling effect” of Justice Department leak investigations on communications between government officials and the press has not been so chilling after all.

It certainly did not deter former CIA employee and National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, who has admitted that he is the principal source of recent leaks to The Post and the Guardian revealing top-secret NSA programs tracking terrorist communications.

The exposure of the PRISM program under which the NSA monitors foreign terrorists on the Internet, as well as the leak of a top-secret court order requiring Verizon to share calling data with the government, are incredibly damaging to national security. These leaks give terrorists information they did not have about our collection activities. They undermine the willingness of American companies to cooperate with us because these leaks have put their international reputations at risk. And they teach everyone — including sources and liaison partners — not to work with us because we cannot keep a secret.

But instead of being outraged by the damage done by these leaks, critics on the left and right are criticizing the NSA for undertaking activities that are lawful, constitutional and absolutely vital to protecting the country.

Calm down, folks. Big Brother is not watching you.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 4thamendment; bigbrother; cfr; illegalgovernment; impeach; lawlessgovernment; nwo; patriotact; policestate; prism
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Translation: Move along, folks, there's nothing to see.
1 posted on 06/10/2013 12:18:06 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Well, it is, in fact, -—>His fault.<-—


2 posted on 06/10/2013 12:19:06 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: nickcarraway

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”


3 posted on 06/10/2013 12:19:54 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (MOHAMMED WAS A CHILD RAPIST!)
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To: nickcarraway

And islam is a “religion” of piece.


4 posted on 06/10/2013 12:20:31 PM PDT by bayouranger (How do you coexist with a neighbor who has the ethical choice of jihad of murder and deceit? -Dr.B.W)
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To: nickcarraway

We can trust The 0bama Administration (”The Most Transparent Ever”) not to abuse the information and power in their hands.

(*cough* IRS *cough*)

Right?


5 posted on 06/10/2013 12:21:19 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (MOHAMMED WAS A CHILD RAPIST!)
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To: nickcarraway

When this all broke I predicted then that Pres Bush will come out in support of the spying. I still believe he will.


6 posted on 06/10/2013 12:21:24 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: nickcarraway

The surveillance society may have been instituted with the intent of protecting citizens from external threats (a legitimate function of government),

but when leftists attain power, they use that power to make sure they STAY in power, and use that power to spitefully punish those who oppose them.


7 posted on 06/10/2013 12:21:57 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Cyman

He probably would have said as much publicly, but everyone knows that wouldn’t help the situation.


8 posted on 06/10/2013 12:22:19 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

F George Bush for starting this and F Obama for making it worse.

Just because Bush did it doesn’t make it right.

Didn’t Obama claim he would stop it? Instead he made it worse.

Our Government—————we cannot trust it any longer.


9 posted on 06/10/2013 12:22:33 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Cyman

The underlying globalist agenda.


10 posted on 06/10/2013 12:23:03 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: nickcarraway

“Calm down, folks. Big Brother is not watching you.” - Marc A. Thiessen

I dare Mr. Thiessen to send himself an email threatening to kill the President, because he knows he’s not a terrorist, right?


11 posted on 06/10/2013 12:23:32 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (MOHAMMED WAS A CHILD RAPIST!)
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To: nickcarraway

LOL ...


12 posted on 06/10/2013 12:24:35 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Resolute Conservative; Cyman

I wonder how hard Jorge Bush is working behind the scenes to pass amnesty. I would bank on it.


13 posted on 06/10/2013 12:24:58 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: going hot

Love your nick ... going hot


14 posted on 06/10/2013 12:25:38 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: nickcarraway

We have the expectation to be free from oversight in our homes, our associations, and our communications.

If someone thinks a person is a terrorist, then get a warrant and go for it.

Leave the rest of us alone.

If data is collected, it will be abused. That IS NOT what this nation is about. I simply refuse to buy into it.


15 posted on 06/10/2013 12:25:53 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama lied, four men died, and he went to hide...)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Beware of conservative “vigilantes” eh Jorge?


16 posted on 06/10/2013 12:26:23 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: DoughtyOne

” If data is collected, it will be abused. That IS NOT what this nation is about. I simply refuse to buy into it.”

Apparently, it has been abused on a huge scale, and no end in sight.


17 posted on 06/10/2013 12:28:21 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: going hot

Intentional all caps:

WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE PRE-BUSH, PRE-CLINTON, PRE-OBAMA DAYS. IN THE NEXT ELECTION: NO BUSHES, NO CLINTONS, NO OBAMAS — NOR ANY OF THEIR STINKING ASSOCIATES. START WITH A CLEAN SLATE. IT’S ALL I CAN TAKES, I CAN’T TAKES NO MORE!!!!!!


18 posted on 06/10/2013 12:30:06 PM PDT by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
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To: nickcarraway

I don’t think conservatives care what GW says about this- do we?

He was not a friend to conservatives. Nice guy, likable, sure.. but his policies were not great.


19 posted on 06/10/2013 12:30:08 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: Venturer
Hypothetically, as The Blaze's Jason Howerton stated, if you could actually opt out of this program, - would you? And if not, why not?

I bet Mr. Thiessen would.

20 posted on 06/10/2013 12:33:03 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Agreed...


21 posted on 06/10/2013 12:35:25 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama lied, four men died, and he went to hide...)
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To: nickcarraway

Seems that those of us who had concerns about the Knee Jerk act (Patriot act) were correct.


22 posted on 06/10/2013 12:36:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: nickcarraway

“and absolutely vital to protecting the country”

a data dump for a fishing expedition is not “absolutely vital to protecting the country”

the warrant did not say and was not based on the identification of any certain threat, any certain suspects, any certain telecommmunications identifier belonging to any certain suspects foreign or domestic

it as much as simply said - we want all the meta data Verizon has and just trust us we will only use it for good and sufficient reasons - which ones?, not said in the warrant.

Such a blanket fishing expedition is never “absolutely vital” and being blase about “just trust” the gubernut no longer cuts it.


23 posted on 06/10/2013 12:37:32 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: stephenjohnbanker

And “Nativists”, don’t forget the “nativists”.


24 posted on 06/10/2013 12:37:51 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: nickcarraway

The Left keeps telling us how everything Bush says or does is wrong, so logically the should be getting really pissed at Obama about this.


25 posted on 06/10/2013 12:38:39 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: cripplecreek

LOL....exactly.


26 posted on 06/10/2013 12:39:45 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Uncle Miltie
“Calm down, folks. Big Brother is not watching you.” - Marc A. Thiessen

Perhaps someone should send Mr. Thiessen this link: Sensenbrenner: Collecting phone records abuses Patriot Act(The Author). But he may not care anyway, since it is a Dem abusing the Patriot Act.

27 posted on 06/10/2013 12:40:41 PM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: nickcarraway

They are ALL in on it!


28 posted on 06/10/2013 12:40:54 PM PDT by READINABLUESTATE (¬ďIf you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face¬ófor ever.¬Ē - Orwell)
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>> activities that are lawful, constitutional and absolutely vital to protecting the country.

A dubious assertion.

There should be some public remediation and acceptance of the techniques and policies used to determine threats.

Marxism must not be facilitated.


29 posted on 06/10/2013 12:48:33 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: nickcarraway
Sure, "it's Bush's fault" still works. Forget the fact that if anything even hinting at this had come out while Bush was in office the fascist media would have gone wild and it would have been in the news constantly until he had been impeached for being, "another Nixon".

With King Barry in charge, they just have to ring the "Bush did it" bell and most of the public starts to drool just like Pavlov's dogs.

The important thing is that no matter what King Barry does, muddy the water, change the subject, blame someone else, and the situation will be defused.

JMHO

30 posted on 06/10/2013 12:49:20 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: MrB

I don’t trust either side of the political spectrum. They are all flawed humans and will eventually misuse the information. That is why we have “checks and balances.”


31 posted on 06/10/2013 12:56:32 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Uncle Miltie

You probably just got flagged for that post.

Hear that knock on the door?


32 posted on 06/10/2013 1:03:02 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: nickcarraway

Sorry Bush, you started this and you should and did know what would happen.

Bite me.


33 posted on 06/10/2013 1:03:44 PM PDT by dforest (I have now entered the Twilight Zone.)
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To: nickcarraway
"Calm down, folks. Big Brother is not watching you."

NSA's collection of phone records from several hundred million U.S. citizens who have done nothing illegal or remotely threatening says you're so full of sh*t, Marc, it's a pure wonder you don't up and slide away.
34 posted on 06/10/2013 1:08:57 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: digger48; GeronL; Vendome; JRandomFreeper; cripplecreek; butterdezillion; MrB; Lazamataz; ...
The exposure of the PRISM program under which the NSA monitors foreign terrorists on the Internet, as well as the leak of a top-secret court order requiring Verizon to share calling data with the government, are incredibly damaging to national security.
the leak of a top-secret court order requiring Verizon to share calling data with the government

Seriously, WTF.
Modern-day Star Chamber anyone?

The more that comes up in this, the more it offends every sensibility.

35 posted on 06/10/2013 1:09:52 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: unixfox
I've got a fully automatic ricin laced pressure cooker terrorist basselope for them if they ever do show up!


36 posted on 06/10/2013 1:12:47 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (MOHAMMED WAS A CHILD RAPIST!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

The Supreme Court Just Waved that 4th Amendment Right.When they said it was perfectly legal for the police to forcibly take your DNA.

We’re Toast.The Constitution Means Nothing if its Not going to be protected by People who swore an oath to do just that.

Who do we get to defend us?Barack Obama.Ha!


37 posted on 06/10/2013 1:14:00 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Venturer

a 1984 Orwell ping... “We do not merely destroy our enemies; we change them.”


38 posted on 06/10/2013 1:14:04 PM PDT by Fred (http://thebubblefilm.com/)
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To: dhs12345; MrB

I believe the phrase/saying you’re looking for is: “the government that governs best, governs least.”


39 posted on 06/10/2013 1:15:35 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: nickcarraway
Any Bush administration official defending this administrations policies need to be additionally named in any indictments that result.

I'm listening to Jim Sensenbrenner, author of the Patriot Act, condemning whats going on right now.

40 posted on 06/10/2013 1:16:20 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: OneWingedShark

The founders had it right, because they had a biblical basis for reality and the nature of man.

Humans are inherently flawed and sinful.

They cannot be allowed positions of power over others.

The humanists on the left reject this view of mankind,
accepting the alternate reality of “you will be as gods, knowing good and evil”.


41 posted on 06/10/2013 1:17:38 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: duckworth
RE :”WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE PRE-BUSH, PRE-CLINTON, PRE-OBAMA DAYS. IN THE NEXT ELECTION: NO BUSHES, NO CLINTONS, NO OBAMAS “

I figure 2016 will be Clinton vs Bush again, with our luck.

42 posted on 06/10/2013 1:21:48 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: nickcarraway

The Big Government Party always circles the wagons when the peons and serfs show signs of restlessness.


43 posted on 06/10/2013 1:24:03 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama-Ville - Land of The Freebies, Home of the Enslaved)
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To: nickcarraway
Yes, Big Sister absolutely IS watching, or at least amassing usage records sufficient to build up a remarkable profile on anyone in them. Were the government truly playing by the rules this needn't be quite so alarming, but this administration isn't, and concerns that this tool will be abused are not unjustified, nor are they to be brushed off lightly by the likes of Mr. Thiessen, assuring us in his avuncular tone not to worry, little guy, it's all right, and Those Who Know Best truly have our interests at heart. Dude, these were the guys in charge of my draft physical way back when. I know about the government and its warm maternal love.

We are scolded by such apologists as William Kristol that it is a mistake to conflate the known IRS abuses with suspected NSA abuses. It is nothing of the sort. The two are inextricably linked, and the link is trust, or rather a trust forfeited by abuse. The passage of the Patriot Act was an act of trust. Its manifestations have raised serious questions. It is time for those to be addressed openly and not hidden behind the flag of convenience that is "national security". And when citizens like me see the likes of Feinstein and Rogers brushing the air with their lordly fingertips and assuring me that all is well and just shut up, that trust isn't coming back.

44 posted on 06/10/2013 1:28:13 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Cyman
When this all broke I predicted then that Pres Bush will come out in support of the spying. I still believe he will.

The technology itself isn't the issue when used as designed... to listen in on foreign terrorists. Obama has taken it upon himself to use it for purposes it wasn't intended to be used for.

The technology isn't the problem. Obama is the problem.

45 posted on 06/10/2013 1:33:01 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: nickcarraway

Read my tagline.
I didn’t like it when Bush did it but I knew the liberals would be on him like a duck on a junebug if he crossed lines. There is no one watching now.
Quid pro quo


46 posted on 06/10/2013 1:37:03 PM PDT by griswold3 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes)
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To: nickcarraway
It certainly did not deter former CIA employee and National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden

As long as you ignore the part where he lied about his health to take a leave, quit his job, moved out of his apartment, left the country, stayed one night in a hotel and checked out of that, and speculated openly that the Obama administration might send its own agents, agents from "friendly" countries, or China's organized crime family "Triad" to kill him, no it doesn't sound like he's afraid at all.

47 posted on 06/10/2013 1:38:31 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: nickcarraway
Why does the NSA need to collect all that data? One former national security official explained it to me this way: If you want to connect the dots and stop the next attack, you need to have a “field of dots.”

This is more BS than I saw this morning penning cows for market. This administration isn't connecting dots for National security, they're connecting dots to identify opposition.

48 posted on 06/10/2013 1:38:53 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: nickcarraway

What a pi$$er! We hear what a great job the NSA is doing in preventing terrorism, yet they were bumbling idiots in failing to prevent the Boston bombing brothers. These two killers were posting on Facebook, the Russkies warned us about one, he went to Dagestan to join up with Islamists, duh he had to use a passport.....and our crack snoops blew it. Maybe had they spent more time preventing terrorism instead of looking into Bam’s political enemies more folks would be alive today. Quite frankly, who trusts the government?


49 posted on 06/10/2013 1:47:34 PM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: nickcarraway

Look, I do not want the government warehousing tons of data on free and innocent citizens. Sorry, it is immoral and unnecessary.

Frankly, Eric Holder is a moron who couldn’t find a parking spot in Texas! The Russians hand us the Boston bombers and we still screw it up! I am not sure the Obama team is competent - so what is the use of gathering this information, besides politics?

Here is a tip: Find terrorists and surveil them - leave the citizens alone. The number of Islamic terrorists is quite small, stay in that sample, do not track free people without a reason.

Remember Hillary and the 900 FBI personnel files - just all that juicy information they could use for political reasons. What do you think they would do with every computer keystroke of 300 million Americans. I want it destroyed! I don’t want Axelrod going through this.

This Administration has admitted being behind the Stuxnet virus so that Obama could take a victory lap - a disgraceful lack of professionalism and and a betrayal of duty to the security of this nation. This was done so that he could be re-elected. That is why Holder is not looking for that leak! This is why the NSA information will be compromised.


50 posted on 06/10/2013 2:50:54 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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