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Did the Obama regime blackmail John Roberts to change his Obamacare decision?
Examiner ^ | 6/10/2013 | Robert Elliott

Posted on 06/10/2013 12:44:11 PM PDT by TheMantis

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To: showme_the_Glory; Grampa Dave; NormsRevenge
"...why not the Supremes too?"

Especially, since one of them filthy conservative justices mouthed the words "that's not true" right in the middle of his first teleprompted SOTU speech!!!

It's his vengence!!! (pure and simple) He's full of poisonous resentment over the way this country was not founded on the correct ideas... ideas taught him by professors in his affirmative (action) educational process of becoming a constitutional expert!!!

41 posted on 06/10/2013 1:15:52 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("Bitter Ender," "Bitter Clinger," Yes on both. COUNT ME IN!!! I love God and guns, but not gayness!!)
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To: TheMantis

Yup.


42 posted on 06/10/2013 1:16:24 PM PDT by MattinNJ (It's over Johnny. The America you knew is gone. Denial serves no purpose.)
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To: TheMantis
I can't accept or reject Glenn beck's speculation regarding Supreme Court Chief Justice Robert's possible corruption (via blackmail by the Obama regime) and subsequent ruling that defined the Obamacare fines as a 'tax'. However, it is within the realm of possibility. But unless Roberts admits it - highly unlikely - or some very solid evidence is uncovered to substantiate the blackmail, this will go nowhere.

Of course, if true, I hope it can be proven and that more whistle-blowers emerge with credible accounts of the ongoing violations of Americans constitutional rights that define the criminal enterprise known as the Obama administration. I also hope that the media will finally begin to abandon Obama and the American people will wake up and realize they've been terribly conned and are fast becoming mere subjects of a Marxist dictator and his regime who violate laws and abuse citizens constitutional rights with relative impunity because they have the media in their pocket and will use any dirty tactic to co-opt or destroy anyone who stands in their way.

If these revelations don't stop Obama - and I'm not fully confident they will - then America is truly doomed to become a fascist nation and it's citizens freedoms destroyed while they are distracted by rubbish that passes as entertainment and serial lying from corrupt leftist politicians and their media lapdogs.

43 posted on 06/10/2013 1:17:20 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: SierraWasp

Everyone is subject to the said ‘storage’ of communications only until need dictates the drilling down into details.. and subsequent ‘further investigation’.

Words that should send chills up and down the spines and legs of everyone,, including chrissy matthews. mayve that’s where his tingle really came from,, he knows how gubamint works..


44 posted on 06/10/2013 1:17:53 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: TheMantis

I keep trying to explain. The Obamacare decision was not about Roberts. It was about Kennedy. He is a reliable liberal vote when it really matters, but he will only do so when he is the *deciding* vote. The man is bizarre. He wants to be in the legal books as the deciding vote.

He *wanted* Roberts to vote against Obamacare, so he, Kennedy, would be in the law books forever. And it would have been Obamacare with all the bells and whistles. The liberals and Kennedy would make it a 5-4 decision, and there was nothing Roberts could do to stop it.

When Roberts outmaneuvered him to vote *for* Obamacare, Kennedy was livid. But make no mistake, Obamacare was going to pass, one way or another. No matter what happened.

But why did Roberts do this? Because of the one thing that makes the Chief Justice different from the other justices. When he is with the majority, he can decide *who* writes the majority decision.

And he chose himself to write that decision. However, he could not have totally nuked Obamacare when he did so, or the liberal justices would have refused to sign on, and written their own decision.

So instead he subtly inserted two “poison pills” into the decision. And both really, truly matter.

The first was that he said that the Obamacare mandate was not a regular law, but a *tax*. Why? Because Democrats have long used the filibuster trick to prevent Republicans from overturning the Democrats big government schemes. So unless the Republicans literally had 2/3rds of BOTH houses of congress, they could not overturn Obamacare.

But tax law is different. You cannot filibuster changes to tax law. It just takes a simple majority, 51% of both houses, to make changes. This means the next time the Republicans control the house, senate and presidency, they can KILL OBAMACARE DEAD! Just bare majorities, and the Democrats cannot block them from doing it.

The other poison pill we are seeing right now. The fight at the state level about expanding Medicaid or not.

But why does that matter? Because in his decision, Roberts wrote that, while the federal government may mandate state programs, it has to pay for them. That is, the Democrats wanted Obamacare to be a continual drain on the states, that every time the Democrats voted to expand Obamacare, that expansion would have to be paid for by the states.

“I want to give my girlfriend a fur coat, and make you pay for it.”

And this poison pill actually matter *more* in the long run, because the Democrats have used this trick for years. The states bitterly complained about it, calling it “unfunded mandates”.

And Roberts decision in Obamacare opens the door to states suing the federal government to end 70 or more years of federal expansions of mandated programs. This isn’t just Obamacare, or LBJ’s Great Society welfare state, this hits them going back to FDR’s New Deal.

I’m not even sure the other conservative justices even (at least publicly) realized what Roberts had done at the time.

But Roberts really set into motion some huge changes in the future, and the Democrats will not like it one bit.


45 posted on 06/10/2013 1:19:22 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: TheMantis
Does a bear take an Obama in the woods?


46 posted on 06/10/2013 1:19:57 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama-Ville - Land of The Freebies, Home of the Enslaved)
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To: cumbo78

What? A couple million illegals walk every year (two for sure under the noses of Congressmen in broad daylight), and the Justice can be blackmailed about HIS two adopted children?


47 posted on 06/10/2013 1:20:17 PM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: TheMantis

Such blackmails are never overt as in the movies about the mob. Roberts is fully aware of his adoption problem. That might have been sufficient.


48 posted on 06/10/2013 1:20:29 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: I want the USA back

This is why we refer to my two yr old’s boy part as his

“Chief Justice”


49 posted on 06/10/2013 1:21:28 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: I want the USA back

Assisting in the destruction of liberty and freedom for all Americans is treason. And if it was just to protect some dirty little secret he had? Then may he tremble before the God who will judge him for assisting in the dismantling of the greatest nation He ever allowed to exist.


50 posted on 06/10/2013 1:23:08 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: mountainlion

Except HIM!!!


51 posted on 06/10/2013 1:25:04 PM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: SierraWasp

Obama has said the Constitution is “deeply flawed”.


52 posted on 06/10/2013 1:25:53 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Geez, I hope you are right. But if this is case, why aren’t there more lawsuits against unfunded mandates making their way through the courts?


53 posted on 06/10/2013 1:28:38 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: fwdude

The only good news is that as a tax, it’s repeal is not subject to a Senate filibuster.

Of course, as Scalia noted, having to read the entire thing would be an 8th amendment violation.


54 posted on 06/10/2013 1:29:48 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: fwdude

The record for ‘the most traitors hanged in a single day’ would be a bright light in this otherwise black time in our history.

Yes we can!


55 posted on 06/10/2013 1:30:53 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: TheMantis

Arnold”the groping Gov.” was when He backtracked on Global Warming!


56 posted on 06/10/2013 1:38:34 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (True Haters HATE Truth!)
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To: TheMantis

“Did the Obama regime blackmail John Roberts to change his Obamacare decision?”

When a man suddenly does the opposite of what he historically would have done and then tries to justify it with mental and legal contortions, there has to be a reason. Coercion is certainly a likely reason ESPECIALLY with what we know today.


57 posted on 06/10/2013 1:43:40 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: TheMantis

The Republic is lost.


58 posted on 06/10/2013 1:45:35 PM PDT by Old Yeller (You can't spell Stanley Ann without S-A-T-A-N)
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To: TheMantis

That’s what I think


59 posted on 06/10/2013 1:53:54 PM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: fwdude

I’ve had posts deleted for using that word. Even the moderators sometimes don’t know what it means.


60 posted on 06/10/2013 1:56:29 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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