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Did the Obama regime blackmail John Roberts to change his Obamacare decision?
Examiner ^ | 6/10/2013 | Robert Elliott

Posted on 06/10/2013 12:44:11 PM PDT by TheMantis

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To: mountainlion

Except HIM!!!

51 posted on 06/10/2013 1:25:04 PM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: SierraWasp

Obama has said the Constitution is “deeply flawed”.

52 posted on 06/10/2013 1:25:53 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Geez, I hope you are right. But if this is case, why aren’t there more lawsuits against unfunded mandates making their way through the courts?

53 posted on 06/10/2013 1:28:38 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: fwdude

The only good news is that as a tax, it’s repeal is not subject to a Senate filibuster.

Of course, as Scalia noted, having to read the entire thing would be an 8th amendment violation.

54 posted on 06/10/2013 1:29:48 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: fwdude

The record for ‘the most traitors hanged in a single day’ would be a bright light in this otherwise black time in our history.

Yes we can!

55 posted on 06/10/2013 1:30:53 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: TheMantis

Arnold”the groping Gov.” was when He backtracked on Global Warming!

56 posted on 06/10/2013 1:38:34 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (True Haters HATE Truth!)
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To: TheMantis

“Did the Obama regime blackmail John Roberts to change his Obamacare decision?”

When a man suddenly does the opposite of what he historically would have done and then tries to justify it with mental and legal contortions, there has to be a reason. Coercion is certainly a likely reason ESPECIALLY with what we know today.

57 posted on 06/10/2013 1:43:40 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: TheMantis

The Republic is lost.

58 posted on 06/10/2013 1:45:35 PM PDT by Old Yeller (You can't spell Stanley Ann without S-A-T-A-N)
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To: TheMantis

That’s what I think

59 posted on 06/10/2013 1:53:54 PM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: fwdude

I’ve had posts deleted for using that word. Even the moderators sometimes don’t know what it means.

60 posted on 06/10/2013 1:56:29 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Jim Scott
Of course, if true, I hope it can be proven and that more whistle-blowers emerge with credible accounts of the ongoing violations of Americans constitutional rights that define the criminal enterprise known as the Obama administration

But who is the Big Brother?

Though BHO seems to be quite shrewd and self-serving, I can't believe he is smart enough to be or to operate the agency behind the scenes that is gathering/digesting/applying the snoop product.

Who/what is his handler (other than Valerie Jarrett, that is)? Though he were deposed by some legitimate process, one will not have even begun to get to the bottom of the apparatus exposed in Illinois, eh?

Better that he remain in place for the time, the corrent machine be negated, and that he come to heel to a better, more benign control center. Hmmmm.

61 posted on 06/10/2013 2:13:36 PM PDT by imardmd1
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To: TheMantis

Roberts messed up the pledge at 0bama’s first inaugural, requiring a secret ceremony later. He may have been “turned” all along.

62 posted on 06/10/2013 2:17:40 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Are you smarter than Mark Levin on the US Constitution and History?
I really want to believe you but, that seems far-fetched.
The blackmail angle is more believable.

63 posted on 06/10/2013 3:19:54 PM PDT by Buck-I-Guy
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To: TheMantis

John Roberts’s ObamaCare decision is a continuing mystery.

He didn’t change his decision ‘’at the last minute’’ in the sense that there was little time for the other justices to study his final, convoluted opinion. They had as much time as necessary to decide if they agreed or disagreed with it.

So why was Justice Scalia incensed by it? He was more than capable of interpreting Justice Roberts’s intricate web of reasoning if it had made any sense, yet he didn’t understand it; and neither did the other Conservative justices. To these brilliant legal minds, it was nothing but a mystifying betrayal, and how can anyone argue with them?

As for the blackmail explanation, it’s a serious crime to attempt to bribe or threaten a judge. So it’s also a serious crime on the part of a judge not to make public such attempts and bring charges against the perpetrators.

How would Justice Roberts have been hurt if he’d publicly accused the Obama Administration of blackmailing him? If his children had been threatened, they’d be safer than ever once the evil blackmail goings-on had been revealed.

In addition, by breaking the law by refusing to charge his blackmailers with their crime, Justice Roberts would be opening himself to further blackmail attempts. Why wouldn’t he have spoken out?

This will be an interesting subject for future historians to ponder once Obama and his secret police have lost their power.

64 posted on 06/10/2013 3:21:25 PM PDT by Bluestocking
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To: magua

Even if he has something on so many people, these effin people should be willing to sacrifce themselves for the greater good of this great country and come out with it. If enough people come out with being blackmailed, that is the ultimate ammo to take these scum down.

65 posted on 06/10/2013 3:24:09 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: SgtHooper

Morever, if it ever comes out that high level people were blackmailed, and did nothing, these so called “victims” should be burned at the stake for not coming forward in the first place!!

66 posted on 06/10/2013 3:27:08 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: TheMantis

oh god...

here we go again..

the roberts decision did more to restore constitutional rights than ANY other ruling in over 80 years..

just to let you all know..

roberts is not a conservative..

roberts is a federalist...

sometimes, you make a tactical decision that looks bad on paper, only to have this decision win the war....

one more year, and fubocare is history, hell, even the unions will be fighting it..

if it is not done away with outright..

if I am wrong, I will stand corrected, but..

2 out of 3 of his major points in his ruling are already being used by the states...

those that are calling him a traitor probably have IQ’s that barely reach into the double digits..

or they are listening to rush, hannit, levin, etc...

in other words, instead of reading the bill and the ruling, they would just allow others to make up their minds for them...

in other words, lazy...

67 posted on 06/10/2013 3:27:09 PM PDT by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: TheMantis

Of course he was blackmailed. As far as I have read it had to do with his adopted children.

But, Oh, how I wish he had come out with his statement at that time! Even if it meant he had dirt on his hands.

I don’t think it was so serious that it would have disqualified him as a justice of the Surpreme Court, however.

68 posted on 06/10/2013 3:34:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Very good analysis. Thanks.

69 posted on 06/10/2013 3:41:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: joe fonebone

I hope you are right.

70 posted on 06/10/2013 5:08:28 PM PDT by karnage
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To: Truth2012

they did’nt meet qualifications and approval to remove the kids from Ireland. the kids were sent to a 3rd world country and then he took possession of them to sidestep Irish laws

71 posted on 06/10/2013 5:22:46 PM PDT by Bravo six (Bravo six)
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To: Bravo six


Can anyone in our government just be a law abiding person?

72 posted on 06/10/2013 6:29:23 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: Little Ray;

26 states now suing HHS

(Importantly, this has been going on for a long time. Here is an article from 1994.)

Home Rule: How States Are Fighting Unfunded Federal Mandates

73 posted on 06/10/2013 6:42:04 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at
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To: Buck-I-Guy

It’s not just me and Mark Levin at odds on this. There are large groups of intelligent conservatives on both sides. That is, one group think that Roberts pulled off a huge home run; and the other group thinks he lost his mind or something (including blackmail, now).

It’s important to be aware of both arguments, based on what is going to happen. Had none of the current scandals happened it would have been clearer, but right now the Democrats are swimming in a pool with a bunch of Great White Shark Republicans, who smell blood in the water.

We’ll only know for sure if the next congress has both the house and senate run by Republicans. If they kill Obamacare, Roberts was right. If the Democrats can save it by blocking them, Roberts was wrong.

74 posted on 06/10/2013 6:48:59 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at
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To: I want the USA back

It was by far one of the most poorly reasoned and at times contradictory decisions I’ve ever seen.
I honestly still think Roberts originally wrote the dissent as the majority opinion. When he split, the other four decided to just leave it as the now dissenting opinion (even though it reads like a majority opinion) just to stick it to Roberts.
I’ve thought this from day one.
Somebody got to him. It’s really the only thing that explains it.
The tax reason is contradicted by his own opinion that it wasn’t a tax and therefore the Anti Injunction Act did not apply.
But it was all he could do to uphold it by a thread without embracing Congressional authority or the individual mandate under the Commerce Clause.
He did manage to gut the enforcement provision by declaring that “it is not unlawful to not purchase health indurance.”
It’s clear that the original penalties for failure to purchase were ripped from the bill.
Ultimately this may be the point where the law unravels. We shall see.

75 posted on 06/10/2013 9:02:38 PM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Ray76
"Obama has said the Constitution is “deeply flawed”."

Yes, because it simply compels limitations on what the Federal Government can do to/for us and he thinks it should also, or instead should mandate what it should do to/for us. He also thinks everything should just be black and white with no shades of gray. Us older people want more shades of gray to match our hair and our silver sneakers!!!

Try to keep up now and follow along, ok??? What was your question Ray???

76 posted on 06/10/2013 9:21:17 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("Bitter Ender," "Bitter Clinger," Yes on both. COUNT ME IN!!! I love God and guns, but not gayness!!)
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To: SierraWasp

No question. Just agreeing with your statement.

>> He’s full of poisonous resentment over the way this country was not founded on the correct ideas... ideas taught him by professors in his affirmative (action) educational process of becoming a constitutional expert!!!

77 posted on 06/10/2013 9:27:01 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Ray76
Well hey Ray, please notice my reply to you was #76, just like your screen name! Ain't that neat?

And thank you for agreeing with my analysis of the resentful radical in the whitehouse. I was just gettin a little silly with the "follow along" stuff cause it's gittin close to my bed time here in the Schwartzenrenegger Sierra-Nevada CONservancy.

78 posted on 06/10/2013 9:37:56 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("Bitter Ender," "Bitter Clinger," Yes on both. COUNT ME IN!!! I love God and guns, but not gayness!!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I don’t think so.first off, Kennedy does NOT always break the wrong way in 5-4 decisions.
See US v. Printz (most important federalism case in many decades striking down part of the Brady Bill which required state law enforcement agencies to conduct background checks on gun purchases)

All cases below were 5-4.
See US v. Lopez (commerce clause-striking down the gun free school zone act)
See US v. Morrison (commerce clause- striking own the violence against women act)
See DC v. Heller (2nd Amendment an individual right)
See Chicago v. McDonald (applies 2A to states via 14th A)
He also voted twice (once in minority and once in majority) to uphold bans on partial birth abortion.

There are others but to say he is a reliable vote for the left isn’t correct.
Furthermore, evidently the vote in private chambers was to strike down the individual mandate with Roberts in the majority.
Kennedy could easily have joined the left and assigned himself authorship since he would have had seniority amongst the five on the left.
He was appointed by Reagan and would have been alongside two zero appointees and two Clinton appointees.

I get your theory and don’t disagree with you about him being an egomaniac.
But Kennedy was nearly as harsh on the government during oral arguments as Scalia and Alito.
Honestly after listening I felt better about our chances with Kennedy than Roberts, although I did think Roberts would go our way.
And the poison pills are true. If they don’t kill us (by allowing zerocare to suffer a slow painful death) then the law may die of its own accord and the republic actually survive.
We shall see.

79 posted on 06/11/2013 8:16:58 PM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: TheMantis

BTTT.....just heard that Roberts says justices are too aggressive when questioning lawyers and is advising lawyers not to answer the justices’ questions. Is there any doubt he’s being blackmailed? Is there not a better reason to impeach him?

80 posted on 06/29/2013 4:48:09 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: TheMantis; ExTexasRedhead
I realize this post is 6 months old, however, this topic is of immense importance given the news of today regarding the disaster that is ObamaCare.

...Hacked e-mails were used to blackmail and extort Chief Justice Roberts. Very embarrassing emails were obtained and he was told to toe the line or his family would be destroyed."

There has been speculation that because Roberts adopted his Irish born children in a 3rd party Latin American nation, that this was the "smoking gun" used to blackmail him.

Possibly, but I think the details learned in "hacked emails" would have to had been much more of a personal or sexual nature. "Very embarrassing emails" would not refer to playing clever with Irish adoption bureaucracy.

If the truth were to come out, I don't know whether the Obama Administration could survive this. It would be the greatest political scandal this century. Even the media would not be able to sweep that under the rug: one branch of government blackmailing an entire other branch of government.

81 posted on 11/05/2013 7:10:47 AM PST by SkyPilot
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82 posted on 11/05/2013 7:15:29 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Interesting analysis.


83 posted on 11/05/2013 7:33:30 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: SgtHooper

If blackmail were involved, it would seem that Alito, Thomas and Scalia would’ve done something about that, by now. I don’t see those three looking the other way on something so grave against this nation.

84 posted on 11/05/2013 7:38:44 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: SkyPilot; JLAGRAYFOX; mazda77; vette6387; oswegodeee; MinuteGal; SandRat; Lumper20; Yehuda; ...

There comes a time when one’s country comes first. Ask our veterans and read about the signers of the Declaration of Independence. From Rush Limbaugh’s website:


“Most Glorious Service”
Even before the list was published, the British marked down every member of Congress suspected of having put his name to treason. All of them became the objects of vicious manhunts. Some were taken. Some, like Jefferson, had narrow escapes. All who had property or families near British strongholds suffered.
· Francis Lewis, New York delegate saw his home plundered — and his estates in what is now Harlem — completely destroyed by British Soldiers. Mrs. Lewis was captured and treated with great brutality. Though she was later exchanged for two British prisoners through the efforts of Congress, she died from the effects of her abuse.
· William Floyd, another New York delegate, was able to escape with his wife and children across Long Island Sound to Connecticut, where they lived as refugees without income for seven years. When they came home they found a devastated ruin.
· Philips Livingstone had all his great holdings in New York confiscated and his family driven out of their home. Livingstone died in 1778 still working in Congress for the cause.
· Louis Morris, the fourth New York delegate, saw all his timber, crops, and livestock taken. For seven years he was barred from his home and family.
· John Hart of Trenton, New Jersey, risked his life to return home to see his dying wife. Hessian soldiers rode after him, and he escaped in the woods. While his wife lay on her deathbed, the soldiers ruined his farm and wrecked his homestead. Hart, 65, slept in caves and woods as he was hunted across the countryside. When at long last, emaciated by hardship, he was able to sneak home, he found his wife had already been buried, and his 13 children taken away. He never saw them again. He died a broken man in 1779, without ever finding his family.
· Dr. John Witherspoon, signer, was president of the College of New Jersey, later called Princeton. The British occupied the town of Princeton, and billeted troops in the college. They trampled and burned the finest college library in the country.

· Judge Richard Stockton, another New Jersey delegate signer, had rushed back to his estate in an effort to evacuate his wife and children. The family found refuge with friends, but a Tory sympathizer betrayed them. Judge Stockton was pulled from bed in the night and brutally beaten by the arresting soldiers. Thrown into a common jail, he was deliberately starved. Congress finally arranged for Stockton’s parole, but his health was ruined. The judge was released as an invalid, when he could no longer harm the British cause.
He returned home to find his estate looted and did not live to see the triumph of the Revolution. His family was forced to live off charity.
· Robert Morris, merchant prince of Philadelphia, delegate and signer, met Washington’s appeals and pleas for money year after year. He made and raised arms and provisions which made it possible for Washington to cross the Delaware at Trenton. In the process he lost 150 ships at sea, bleeding his own fortune and credit almost dry.
· George Clymer, Pennsylvania signer, escaped with his family from their home, but their property was completely destroyed by the British in the Germantown and Brandywine campaigns.
· Dr. Benjamin Rush, also from Pennsylvania, was forced to flee to Maryland. As a heroic surgeon with the army, Rush had several narrow escapes.
· John Martin, a Tory in his views previous to the debate, lived in a strongly loyalist area of Pennsylvania. When he came out for independence, most of his neighbors and even some of his relatives ostracized him. He was a sensitive and troubled man, and many believed this action killed him. When he died in 1777, his last words to his tormentors were: “Tell them that they will live to see the hour when they shall acknowledge it [the signing] to have been the most glorious service that I have ever rendered to my country.”
· William Ellery, Rhode Island delegate, saw his property and home burned to the ground.
· Thomas Lynch, Jr., South Carolina delegate, had his health broken from privation and exposures while serving as a company commander in the military. His doctors ordered him to seek a cure in the West Indies and on the voyage, he and his young bride were drowned at sea.
· Edward Rutledge, Arthur Middleton, and Thomas Heyward, Jr., the other three South Carolina signers, were taken by the British in the siege of Charleston. They were carried as prisoners of war to St. Augustine, Florida, where they were singled out for indignities. They were exchanged at the end of the war, the British in the meantime having completely devastated their large landholdings and estates.
· Thomas Nelson, signer of Virginia, was at the front in command of the Virginia military forces. With British General Charles Cornwallis in Yorktown, fire from 70 heavy American guns began to destroy Yorktown piece by piece. Lord Cornwallis and his staff moved their headquarters into Nelson’s palatial home. While American cannonballs were making a shambles of the town, the house of Governor Nelson remained untouched. Nelson turned in rage to the American gunners and asked, “Why do you spare my home?” Give me the cannon!” and fired on his magnificent home himself, smashing it to bits. But Nelson’s sacrifice was not quite over. He had raised $2 million for the Revolutionary cause by pledging his own estates. When the loans came due, a newer peacetime Congress refused to honor them, and Nelson’s property was forfeited. He was never reimbursed. He died, impoverished, a few years later at the age of 50.

Lives, Fortunes, Honor
Of those 56 who signed the Declaration of Independence, nine died of wounds or hardships during the war. Five were captured and imprisoned, in each case with brutal treatment. Several lost wives, sons or entire families. One lost his 13 children. Two wives were brutally treated. All were at one time or another the victims of manhunts and driven from their homes. Twelve signers had their homes completely burned. Seventeen lost everything they owned. Yet not one defected or went back on his pledged word. Their honor, and the nation they sacrificed so much to create is still intact.
And, finally, there is the New Jersey signer, Abraham Clark.
He gave two sons to the officer corps in the Revolutionary Army. They were captured and sent to that infamous British prison hulk afloat in New York Harbor known as the hell ship Jersey, where 11,000 American captives were to die. The younger Clarks were treated with a special brutality because of their father. One was put in solitary and given no food. With the end almost in sight, with the war almost won, no one could have blamed Abraham Clark for acceding to the British request when they offered him his sons’ lives if he would recant and come out for the King and Parliament. The utter despair in this man’s heart, the anguish in his very soul, must reach out to each one of us down through 200 years with his answer: “No.”
The 56 signers of the Declaration Of Independence proved by their every deed that they made no idle boast when they composed the most magnificent curtain line in history. “And for the support of this Declaration with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.”...

From Rush Limbaugh’s website.

85 posted on 11/05/2013 8:14:20 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Yes they did!

87 posted on 11/07/2013 11:09:40 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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