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Canada says it monitors foreign phone, internet traffic
Reuters ^ | June 10, 2013 | David Ljunggren

Posted on 06/10/2013 5:55:12 PM PDT by rickmichaels

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada's government on Monday declined to say whether it was using data gathered by a secret U.S. government eavesdropping program, but confirmed its own secret signals intelligence agency was monitoring foreign phone and internet traffic.

(Excerpt) Read more at ca.news.yahoo.com ...


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1 posted on 06/10/2013 5:55:12 PM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels

What Canada does is Canada’s business.


2 posted on 06/10/2013 5:56:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: rickmichaels

Must have been a deal struck. Bet Canada goes after reporters too.


3 posted on 06/10/2013 5:57:24 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: rickmichaels

It’s obviously up to Canadians to decide if they’re OK with that.I wouldn’t trust *my* current leaders with my grandson’s shoe size but maybe Canada’s current leaders are made of more decent stuff.


4 posted on 06/10/2013 6:01:31 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: rickmichaels

Don’t care.

Canaduh can do whatever they want, in there country.


5 posted on 06/10/2013 6:05:49 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: rickmichaels
KEY WORD...."foreign"
6 posted on 06/10/2013 6:07:16 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: rickmichaels
signals intelligence agency was monitoring foreign phone and internet traffic.

What was recently "revealed" was our country (FISA warrant) was monitoring only internal traffic. The muddying of the waters has already begun.
7 posted on 06/10/2013 6:08:05 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: rickmichaels

Under the Echelon program England, Canada or the USA did not spy on their own people but another country spied on their country like say Canada spied on the USA while USA spied on England and England spied on Canada.


8 posted on 06/10/2013 6:10:37 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: rickmichaels

In case folks don’t get the ramifications, the NATO nations have long been rumoured to have a sort of “Throw Grandma from the Train” network going on where they all circumvent their own laws against surveilling their local populous by making agreements amongst themselves. “I’ll spy on your folks and share the info with you if you’ll spy on mine.”


9 posted on 06/10/2013 6:12:27 PM PDT by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: cripplecreek

Unless you have relatives living in Canada and you talk with them over the phone...............


10 posted on 06/10/2013 6:14:44 PM PDT by basil (basil --Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: Gay State Conservative
It’s obviously up to Canadians to decide if they’re OK with that.I wouldn’t trust *my* current leaders with my grandson’s shoe size but maybe Canada’s current leaders are made of more decent stuff.

Phone calls and letters sent overseas or originating overseas have never had 4th Amendment protection. Any more than your luggage has 4th Amendment protection when you are entering or exiting the country.

There has never been a legitimate Constitutional issue regarding the federal government seeking the metadata -- or even the content -- of these communications. E.g., all letters to Europe during WW II were intercepted, opened and inspected at Bermuda.

But the Patriot Act does not afford the federal government unfettered access to the metadata or content of strictly domestic communications -- unless there is a warrant, issued with probable cause, for specific names and phone numbers.

11 posted on 06/10/2013 6:16:08 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE --)
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To: basil

Its Canada, I don’t care what their laws are even if they are monitoring my calls into their country. That doesn’t make it acceptable for my own country to unconstitutionally monitor me.


12 posted on 06/10/2013 6:18:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: rickmichaels

But then, if they discovered something really bad, that threatened Canada, what would they do?

I don’t think they have a particularly strong defense system.

Let’s face it, in the event of WWIII Canada will be our ‘ally’. Meaning WE defend THEM.


13 posted on 06/10/2013 6:18:44 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

Perhaps, but we’ll do our very best.


14 posted on 06/10/2013 6:28:06 PM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels

If all that is monitored is traffic crossing borders, then NO PROBLEM from this FReeper. That is the purpose of border control. Cross the border, in either direction, and YOU ARE subject to full search. Send a package, same thing. Send CDs and DVDs, same thing. So send an E-Mail, it should be the same thing.

But once they get into monitoring internal communications without a warrant, I have a BIG PROBLEM.


15 posted on 06/10/2013 6:29:01 PM PDT by BobL (To us it's a game, to them it's personal - therefore they win.)
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To: Beowulf9

Defensively we act pretty much as a single country. I believe flights in and out of Selfridge ANG base often pass through Canadian airspace with no problems.


16 posted on 06/10/2013 6:29:36 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

I actually don’t care at all. If anyone is monitoring my calls, that person seriously needs to get a life..........unless he likes being bored out of his gourd—LOL!


17 posted on 06/10/2013 6:30:57 PM PDT by basil (basil --Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: Beowulf9
But then, if they discovered something really bad, that threatened Canada, what would they do?

If the threat is still on our side of the border they'd call their spook counterpart here and ask us to deal with him/her.If the threat has gotten into Canada I'm sure they have ways of dealing with it.

18 posted on 06/10/2013 6:31:06 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: mountainlion

The MSM is going to start reporting that every country spies on it’s own people. If everyone else is doing it. It must be okay..../s


19 posted on 06/10/2013 6:43:21 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: okie01
'But the Patriot Act does not afford the federal government unfettered access to the metadata or content of strictly domestic communications -- unless there is a warrant, issued with probable cause, for specific names and phone numbers.'

The Gov't is in essence copying everything, the metadata, all data and storing it.

Then the rubberstamp FISA allows Gov't to open the contents.

Are you gonna argue that Gov't has the authority to 'copy' everything and store it?

Then we get into various State and Federal laws. Many states do not allow the recording and phone calls, data, ie Maryland. It would be a nice bottle of joy to see a State sue the Feds over such intercepts.

20 posted on 06/10/2013 6:55:45 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: Sparticus
“I’ll spy on your folks and share the info with you if you’ll spy on mine.”

And thus they give the lie to their claim that the primary goal is national security. One does not blithely acquiesce to comprehensive foreign spying on the affairs of one's country by foreign powers if national security is one's primary concern or goal. One does that to remain in power because one views one's own population as a threat. There can be no other reason.

21 posted on 06/10/2013 7:08:03 PM PDT by sourcery (If true=false, then there would be no constraints on what is possible. Hence, the world exists.)
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To: rickmichaels; All

I guess that Carly Rae Jepsen song “Call Me, Maybe” had another meaning, eh?


22 posted on 06/10/2013 7:19:16 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (George Zimmerman is Innocent)
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To: Theoria
Are you gonna argue that Gov't has the authority to 'copy' everything and store it?

How could you possibly suggest that after reading what I wrote?

"But the Patriot Act does not afford the federal government unfettered access to the metadata or content of strictly domestic communications -- unless there is a warrant, issued with probable cause, for specific names and phone numbers. "

23 posted on 06/10/2013 7:24:30 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE --)
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To: okie01
Because, they have already copied it. The the warrant merely 'opens' the content that was copied and stored via NSA databases.

The idea that they are getting the info from companies is not the case, the Telcoms are merely the pipeline for the Gov't to collect the water.

24 posted on 06/10/2013 7:29:53 PM PDT by Theoria
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Because, they have already copied it. The the warrant merely 'opens' the content that was copied and stored via NSA databases.

You accused me of "approving" of their copying the contents.

I did no such thing.

You're being contentious.

25 posted on 06/10/2013 7:33:42 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE --)
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