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Egypt Warns All Options Open for Ethiopia Nile Dam
AP via ABC News ^ | June 10, 2013 | AYA BATRAWY and MAGGIE MICHAEL

Posted on 06/10/2013 6:30:03 PM PDT by Pan_Yan

Egypt's president on Monday hardened his stance against Ethiopia and its construction of a Nile dam, warning that "all options are open" in dealing with the project that threatens to leave Egypt with a dangerous water shortage.

Speaking in a live televised speech before hundreds of supporters, Mohammed Morsi said Egypt is not calling for war, but it is willing to confront any threats to its water security.

"If it loses one drop, our blood is the alternative," he said to a raucous crowd of largely Islamist supporters that erupted into a standing ovation.

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In the conference hall where Morsi delivered his speech, some of his supporters chanted slogans against Israel and accused it of colluding with Ethiopia to harm Egypt. Blaming Israel for Egypt's problems is common here. Israel denied any connection to the construction of the dam.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: blueniledam; caliphate; egypt; ethiopia; jihad; morsi; nile; rop

1 posted on 06/10/2013 6:30:04 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

Question for the engineeringly challenged.

If the Ethiopians build a dam and the lake fills up doesn’t the flow of the river then remain the same?


2 posted on 06/10/2013 6:37:07 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Pan_Yan
Kinda opens it up for Israel to bomb Egypt's dam site if Egypt attacks Israel.
3 posted on 06/10/2013 6:37:35 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Pan_Yan

Any damage to Ethiopia will be laid to the Obama Administration’s charge. Kerry seemed to think it was such a cool thing to “quietly” slip Egypt another $1.3 billion just this week.


4 posted on 06/10/2013 6:37:45 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Pan_Yan

Well,whaddya know...our Community Organizer-In-Chief,in an effort to promote world peace and harmony,backed a filthy,lousy,stinking 9th Century pig fornicating terrorist to lead Egypt.


5 posted on 06/10/2013 6:39:30 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Fai Mao

Ethiopians plan to use a bunch of water to irrigate. A radio show said that Egypt might only get 25% of what they had been getting.


6 posted on 06/10/2013 6:39:37 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Fai Mao

Once the lake is filled, the flow of the river should return to normal.


7 posted on 06/10/2013 6:42:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Pan_Yan

Egypt has been armed by the United States and fed by France. They have the largest standing army in Africa. They can expect support from their fellow Muslims in the area. Ethiopia is poor, largely Christian and has chronic famine. Their army is antiquated. Egypt had better be very careful.


8 posted on 06/10/2013 6:42:36 PM PDT by allendale
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To: Pan_Yan

If the leaders of Egypt think that dams do bad things to the Nile they need to bomb the Aswan high dam.


9 posted on 06/10/2013 6:45:09 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Fai Mao

Depending on the size of the man-made lake, technically correct. However, it could take an entire year...and it might reduce the water flow by a third to even make it after twelve months. I have yet to see a map of the lake they intend to create behind that dam.

What the Egyptians can’t allow is river traffic to be screwed up in this one or two year period of the lake filling. The other thing is that the level of the Ethiopia lake is of concern, on a year by year basis. The Nile has been “owned” by the Egyptians for ten thousand years. This would radically change their view of things.


10 posted on 06/10/2013 6:48:19 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Fai Mao

You dam the river so that you can use the water - for irrigation and other things that ultimately significantly reduce the flow.


11 posted on 06/10/2013 6:50:46 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Fai Mao

There is a minor loss for evaporation (I actually had to apply for a water right for evaporation on a pond once).

But this would also give the Ethiopians a degree of control. Some on this thread are assuming that thelake level would be static...but that is not necessarily true on large reservoir projects. The keepers of the dam would have the ability to manipulate the flow rate out of the primary tubes...and if its dry and the lake level is dropping, they will most certainly shut off the tubes...and a large reservoir can store quite a bit of water when this happens.

In this country, there have been similar disagreements among states. My state, Kansas, in particular has sued Colorado and Nebrask to release more water. I think we have prevailed against Nebraska...but they are disobeying the ruling for the time being.

This could get very interesting...but I don’t see it written anywhere that on Egypt can irrigate out of the Nile(basin).


12 posted on 06/10/2013 6:53:09 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: cripplecreek

Not necessarily. The large reservoirs in this country have a tremendous amount of storage available, for flood control. If Ethiopia wanted, they could restrict flow for months...and then open the gates and send a flood wave downstream.

Much more likely...drought hits, the lake level drops, and Ethiopia shuts off the primary discharge tubes. Egypt is out of luck in this situation...and it just makes their drought worse.


13 posted on 06/10/2013 6:56:45 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Fai Mao
If the Ethiopians build a dam and the lake fills up doesn’t the flow of the river then remain the same?

Not exactly.

There is the lesson of Glen Canyon Dam on the Colorado, which significantly reduced the average flow of the river.

In a dry climate, evaporation from the lake surface can be significant.

If the rock bordering the lake is porous, a significant amount of water can be bled off and stored in the rock.

If the reservoir is used to store water for irrigation purposes, a significant amount of water can be bled off into the ground water -- which might eventually find its way downstream...or it might not.

The opposite case to Glen Canyon is found in the Snake River Valley of Idaho -- where the impoundments provide irrigation water for irrigation of potato crops. Personally, I've never seen such intense irrigation as is practiced on the potato crop in Idaho.

However, the underlying rock is igneous and non-porous. As a consequence, virtually all the water employed in irrigation finds its way downstream and back into the river.

14 posted on 06/10/2013 7:12:22 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE --)
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To: Pan_Yan

15 posted on 06/10/2013 7:14:59 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Pan_Yan
Morsi better not mess with the Rastas, man.


16 posted on 06/10/2013 7:16:03 PM PDT by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: Pan_Yan

So... Egypt is going to blame Israel if Ethiopia builds a dam on the Nile (even though Egypt has a DAM already on the Nile) because.... the Nile is NOWHERE NEAR Israel at all ?


17 posted on 06/10/2013 7:17:32 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2

You’ve got it.


18 posted on 06/10/2013 7:25:04 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: Fai Mao
Experts estimate that Egypt could lose as much as 20 percent of its Nile water in the three to five years needed for Ethiopia to fill a massive reservoir.
19 posted on 06/10/2013 7:26:33 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: Pan_Yan
In the conference hall where Morsi delivered his speech, some of his supporters chanted slogans against Israel and accused it of colluding with Ethiopia to harm Egypt. Blaming Israel for Egypt's problems is common here. Israel denied any connection to the construction of the dam.

Well, heck. If it wasn't Bush's fault, it's got to be "anthropogenic global warming."

20 posted on 06/10/2013 7:30:48 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Pan_Yan

There is one thing on Planet Earth, and one thing ONLY, which Moslems enjoy more than killing non-Moslems, and that is killing other Moslems.

The phrase “mental illness” is utterly insufficient.


21 posted on 06/10/2013 7:33:02 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Fai Mao

No, not really. I imagine Ethoipa at the least has planned basic water usages for cities and towns and for irrigation. But, aside from those usages, in that hot, dry region a significant amount of the stored lake water would be lost to simple evaporation.

My area of North Georgia (Atlanta) is in a running legal battle with Alabama and Florida for the rights to the water raining on and flowing from North Georgia to regions down stream. I’m a simple man and see the water “belonging” first to those upon whom the water falls from the sky.

Using the above logic, much of Southern Kalifornia would be arid and barren. Kali gets their water from the Colorado River, so we see that where water is concerned, the money and political connections win out.


22 posted on 06/10/2013 7:44:46 PM PDT by citizen (We get the government we choose. America either voted for Obama or handed it to him by not voting.)
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

The Egyptians have known for fifty years that the Israelis have a great big bullseye drawn on the Aswan High Dam. The 1973 Arab-Israeli war came to a sudden ceasefire not because of Henry Kissinger but because the Israelis were about to bomb the High Dam.

Israel is the silent ally of Ethiopia. If the Christian Abyssinians want their dam, they’ll get their dam. The Egyptian military may not fear Addis Ababa, but they’re not ready for a fifth clockcleaning by the IDF since 1948.


23 posted on 06/10/2013 7:45:36 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: elcid1970

That’s good to hear because they will not get any help from Washington....


24 posted on 06/10/2013 8:11:39 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Pan_Yan

Egypt pretty much exists entirely because of the Nile - and they are running out of money to subsidize food, so they can’t afford mass desalinization.
A modest decrease or temporary disruption in their water supply is a disaster.


25 posted on 06/10/2013 8:11:52 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Pan_Yan

Won’t make much of a difference because when the goat herders attach Israel, they will nuke the Aswan Dam and leave them thirsty anyway.


26 posted on 06/10/2013 8:11:53 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (But for an ignorant electorate Slow Joe would have become a circus clown or union thug.)
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To: mountainlion
This is a very interesting development and it shows a trend for the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

Morsi has tons of US military equipment massed since 1979. (thanks Jimmuh Cartuh).
Egypt has US F-16s and M-1 Abrams tanks and a military, unfortunately trained by the USA since 1979. This just may be the dress rehearsal for an eventual attack on Israel.

Morsi, like Mussolini before him, needs a pretext to blast an opponent and try out all that neat hardware they have been storing for 30 years.

His new Islamist military is just itching to use this stuff and overwhelm a weaker supposed adversary. Once the trounce Ethiopia, they will be on a high and prep themselves for another massive and future campaign against Israel. All this with the ongoing aid and support from the White House while Morsi shows open antagonism towards Israel, the US and the West in general.

Al this made possible by the white House handing over Mubarak to the Egyptian wild animal masses. Let's watch Morsi act on Mussolini, circa 1935.

27 posted on 06/10/2013 10:28:48 PM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Jack Hammer
There is one thing on Planet Earth, and one thing ONLY, which Moslems enjoy more than killing non-Moslems, and that is killing other Moslems.

Ethiopian Orthodox 43.5%, Muslim 33.9%, Protestant 18.6%, traditional 2.6%, Catholic 0.7%, other 0.7% (2007 Census)

28 posted on 06/11/2013 4:17:02 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: Pan_Yan

By the time Egypt is done with them the figures will be Moslem, 99%, lucky ones or those skilled at hiding out, 1%.


29 posted on 06/11/2013 5:22:49 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: tbw2
Egypt pretty much exists entirely because of the Nile - and they are running out of money to subsidize food, so they can’t afford mass desalinization. A modest decrease or temporary disruption in their water supply is a disaster.

Egypt doesn't have much oil. Their economy was based on agriculture (including cotton) and tourism. The Muslim Brotherhood have killed the tourist industry, leaving agriculture, which consumes water.

30 posted on 06/11/2013 7:28:10 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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