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Obama To Ignore Senate, Sign 2nd Amendment-Violating U.N. Gun Treaty
Revolution Radio ^ | June 11, 2013 | Paul Martin

Posted on 06/11/2013 11:59:22 AM PDT by yoe

A majority in the U.S. Senate has told President Barack Obama not to do it. There’s no doubt that an overwhelming majority of Americans would oppose it — if the media ever told them about it.

Nonetheless, this past Monday, Secretary of State John Kerry said that Obama will sign a controversial gun-control treaty promulgated by the United Nations. “We look forward to signing it as soon as the process of conforming the official languages is completely satisfied,” Kerry said in a prepared statement.

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KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; banglist; bhofascism; guncontrol; obama; obamaspeople; secondamendment; terrorism; threatmatrix; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus
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Take action! Obama the Janus faced has sent Dupe Kerry to do his bidding and that of his Anti-gun base. This is another scandal....don't let this happen CALL YOUR NEWSPAPERS AND ELECTED NOW!

Eliminating the US Constitutional right to bear arms - the first step of any socialist takeover. "We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!" -- "Senator Charles Schumer, NY

1 posted on 06/11/2013 11:59:22 AM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe

I don’t give a smelly Obama.

Anything coming out of the dork has no meaning...especially a “treaty” that was not ratified by the senate.

Shove it, Obamadork.


2 posted on 06/11/2013 12:00:32 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: yoe

IMPEACH HIM IMMEDIATELY!!!!


3 posted on 06/11/2013 12:00:42 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: yoe

If he signs that treaty, impeachment in the House must start.


4 posted on 06/11/2013 12:02:23 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: yoe

FUBO!! Usurping traitor!!


5 posted on 06/11/2013 12:02:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: yoe

Slick signed Kyoto which was rejected by the Senate 95-0


6 posted on 06/11/2013 12:02:54 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: yoe

All O’bastard can possibly do is put demonrats on the record voting for something that can’t pass, and will hurt them in elections.

Hairy Reed will never let it get a vote in the Senate.


7 posted on 06/11/2013 12:05:27 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Da Coyote

USA=Turkey

Our future


8 posted on 06/11/2013 12:05:55 PM PDT by seeker41 (Take back your country before it is too late-STOP islamic expansion in the USA remove zero)
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To: Logical me

He’ll sign it, and guess what? Nothing will happen. No one will do anything about it. Obama will do this and he’ll do MUCH worse.

This is JUST the beginning folks. He’s seeing first hand how ineffectual and worthless our country’s legislature has become. He’s taking on power like a tornado gaining strength. His true form is coming to light, and NO ONE will do ANYTHING. Not the military, not the legislature, not the judiciary.


9 posted on 06/11/2013 12:06:09 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: yoe

he can sign anything he wants.
Do you know any Americans who care or are willing to comply with all these anti-American directives anymore?

“suppose they gave a war and nobody came...?”


10 posted on 06/11/2013 12:06:39 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: Da Coyote
And Boehner thinks that Snowden is the real traitor!

The Constitution and the rule of law are dead in America.

RIP.

11 posted on 06/11/2013 12:06:54 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Under the Vienna convention (which the US ratified), a signed treaty is in force unless rejected by the Senate. Watch them never bring it to the floor for a vote so they can keep its provisions as binding on the American people.


12 posted on 06/11/2013 12:07:15 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: yoe

I can’t believe this Democrat Obama and the democrats are destroying this once free country America.

what’s wrong with these socialist/statist/totalitarian vermin ? are they that evil? Yes


13 posted on 06/11/2013 12:07:43 PM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: yoe

This is treason. democrat Obama is a traitor

I can’t believe this Democrat Obama and the democrats are destroying this once free country America.

what’s wrong with these socialist/statist/totalitarian vermin ? are they that evil? Yes


14 posted on 06/11/2013 12:08:16 PM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: yoe

Welcome to “DemoLiberia” - no longer the USA. Dear Leader does what he wants and the MSM falls all over itself to boost his falling popularity. You read news about Best Korea and there’s no difference.


15 posted on 06/11/2013 12:09:16 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Democrat_media

Anyone want to bet that this treaty was placed somewhere in the immigration bill that 82 Senators voted on today?


16 posted on 06/11/2013 12:09:55 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: faithhopecharity
“suppose they gave a war and nobody came...?”

Nevertheless Obama has his 'Brown Shirts' standing by in the wings waiting for his declaration of war against the American people. It will be described as Martial Law!

17 posted on 06/11/2013 12:10:11 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: faithhopecharity

Suppose they gave a war and All of US showed UP!


18 posted on 06/11/2013 12:10:40 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: yoe

Obastard once again thumbs his nose at The Constitution.


19 posted on 06/11/2013 12:12:18 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: Don Corleone

no, it will be described as a necessary action to liberate Amerika from the evil control of right-wing capitalist crazies


20 posted on 06/11/2013 12:13:09 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: Red_Devil 232

I hear he’s dried up your supply of ammo....?


21 posted on 06/11/2013 12:13:42 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: rarestia

And guess what, the minute he does that and nothing is done to remove him from office is the moment that the so-called “rule of law” becomes extinct. It will be everyone for himself and anything goes.


22 posted on 06/11/2013 12:15:28 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: yoe

The executive holds the sole authority to determine whether to sign a proposed treaty or not.

His signature holds no authority other than to note that it has been accepted for review by the Senate...even if Clinton lied to the rest of the world about that fact, and somehow convinced many of their leaders his signature meant more.


23 posted on 06/11/2013 12:15:29 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: rarestia

If he signs it and no one does anything about it, then we’re fine.


24 posted on 06/11/2013 12:17:22 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: cotton1706

Please provide details.


25 posted on 06/11/2013 12:19:01 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

I thought that a treaty not ratified by the Senate is assumed to be the law?


26 posted on 06/11/2013 12:19:21 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: faithhopecharity

You think a bunch of low-ranking plebiscites are going to stand guard at an armory or ammo depot to protect Janet’s stash when a few hundred (or thousand) locals show up with scoped hunting rifles and AR15s?


27 posted on 06/11/2013 12:21:47 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

No. Sorry to rain on your pity parade, but a treaty must be ratified by the Senate before it becomes effective.


28 posted on 06/11/2013 12:23:36 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: faithhopecharity

Once you are sighted in every round sent down range counts!


29 posted on 06/11/2013 12:24:18 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: lepton

http://modernsurvivalblog.com/security/un-arms-treaty-will-bind-us-despite-majority-senate-dissenters/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2907317/posts

There is some dispute of this. But I’ve no doubt that Obama will go through with enforcing its provisions without the senate. And I’ll be interested to see if he actually submits it to the senate for ratification and if the senate actually brings it up for a vote.


30 posted on 06/11/2013 12:44:09 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: rarestia

I thought that a treaty not ratified by the Senate is assumed to be the law?

That would completely negate the Senate’s role in what is just a step short of a Constitutional Amendment. What would the President ever bother to submit it to the Senate, since the Senate can’t vote on it until he submits it to them?

Without some other authorization, an unratified treaty is just scrap paper.


31 posted on 06/11/2013 12:53:21 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: yoe

Signing a treaty means nothing under our system other than it has been sent to the Senate for Ratification. So let him sign until his little heart is content...


32 posted on 06/11/2013 12:53:55 PM PDT by apillar
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To: cotton1706
There is some dispute of this. But I’ve no doubt that Obama will go through with enforcing its provisions without the senate.

Well presidents can and have enforced treaties in the past before they are ratified, with the caveat that they can only enforce what is currently permitted under existing law. So for instance, Obama could not use a un-ratified treaty as justification to create a gun registry, because federal law already prohibits a gun registry.

33 posted on 06/11/2013 12:59:07 PM PDT by apillar
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To: yoe

The Won don’t need no stinkin’ Congress, SCOTUS or Constitution.


34 posted on 06/11/2013 1:03:18 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: cotton1706

Obama can always attempt to comply by Executive order...which can be overturned by the next President...as it’s not really accepted as a treaty. There are actually a number of times that has been done...like when we announce an attempt to act in accordance with a Geneva Convention, but decline to actually become a signatory (which requires Senate ratification).
u
Cotton linked to a claim which might say that the UN would consider us signatories to something, but doesn’t say we do.


35 posted on 06/11/2013 1:05:09 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: cotton1706

That might say that the UN has decided to recognize us as signatories, but not that the US would recognize it.


36 posted on 06/11/2013 1:07:45 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: yoe

Let him sign it. The Senate will never ratify it. Clintoon signed stuff that never got ratified. A lot of president’s have. Its annoying and infuriating but it won’t ever go into effect and anyway its totally unconsitutional.


37 posted on 06/11/2013 1:09:47 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: cotton1706; Carry_Okie; philman_36

From your FR link:

Is the United States a party to the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties?
It pretends to be, but no.


38 posted on 06/11/2013 1:18:09 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: yoe; LucyT; thouworm; maggief; Myrddin; shibumi; Hardraade; Candor7; Absolutely Nobama; caww; ...
They are poking their fingers in our eyes and DARING us to do something about it. This is utter madness.

This goes out to the Threat Matrix Ping List. Anyone wanting on or off, you know the routine, I think.

39 posted on 06/11/2013 1:53:32 PM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: lepton
Is the United States a party to the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties? It pretends to be, but no.

Correct. US government respect for treaty provisions upon signature alone as a matter of "customary international law" is illegal. Unfortunately, it has also been the "customary" practice of the US government since 1979.

40 posted on 06/11/2013 1:57:51 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: lepton; Redleg Duke

No, I see your point, I’m trying to make sense of what I thought.

Isn’t there something where if a treaty is signed by the PotUS but never ratified by the Senate, it is considered “always available” for the Senate to ratify? Essentially, there’s no expiry on the ratification of the treaty?


41 posted on 06/11/2013 2:41:49 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

Just like an amendment, if there is no time limit in it, there is no time limit for ratification.

The last Constitutional Amendment is an example, having taken around two centuries to complete the process.


42 posted on 06/11/2013 2:45:46 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: rarestia

The President can withdraw it though.


43 posted on 06/11/2013 2:47:10 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Again, those responsible must not be allowed to escape when it hits.


44 posted on 06/11/2013 2:57:22 PM PDT by Old Yeller (You can't spell Stanley Ann without S-A-T-A-N)
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To: lepton
There are actually 5 outstanding Constitutional Amendments awaiting ratification:

Article the First: After the first enumeration required by the first article of the Constitution, there shall be one Representative for every thirty thousand, until the number shall amount to one hundred, after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than one hundred Representatives, nor more than one Representative for every forty thousand persons (sets a minimum of 100 Representatives thereafter, and creates a floor of 40,000 persons per District), until the number of Representatives shall amount to two hundred; after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall not be less than two hundred Representatives, nor less than one Representative for every fifty thousand persons.(sets a minimum of 200 Representatives thereafter, and creates a ceiling of 50,000 persons per District) (my personal favorite)

Titles of Nobility Amendment:If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive or retain, any title of nobility or honour, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.

The Corwin Amendment:No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State. (specific to slavery)

The Child Labor Amendment:Section 1. The Congress shall have power to limit, regulate, and prohibit the labor of persons under eighteen years of age.

Section 2. The power of the several States is unimpaired by this article except that the operation of State laws shall be suspended to the extent necessary to give effect to legislation enacted by the Congress.

The Equal Rights Amendment:Section 1. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Section 3. This amendment shall take effect two years after the date of ratification

DC Voting Rights Amendment:Section 1. For purposes of representation in the Congress, election of the President and Vice President, and article V of this Constitution, the District constituting the seat of government of the United States shall be treated as though it were a State.

Section 2. The exercise of the rights and powers conferred under this article shall be by the people of the District constituting the seat of government, and as shall be provided by the Congress.

Section 3. The twenty-third article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

Section 4. This article shall be inoperative, unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission.

45 posted on 06/11/2013 3:50:06 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: lepton

Two things.

First, my apologies. I misread your post to mean that you were saying there were no further outstanding amendments. I now take your meaning appopriately.

Second, the DC Voting Rights Amendment expired in 1985 after the lapse of the 7 year limit placed in the amendment.


46 posted on 06/11/2013 3:53:47 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

I could have been more clear.

I was referring to the amendment which limited when congressional pay raises could take effect.


47 posted on 06/11/2013 4:28:56 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: rarestia

Thank you for that list. I was actually aware of most of them, but a couple were new to me.


48 posted on 06/11/2013 4:33:14 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: yoe

don’t treaties have to be approved by the senate or have i lost my mind?


49 posted on 06/11/2013 7:05:52 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: cotton1706

Nothing can supersede the Constitution, outside of an Amendments.

Let’s see if my theory would hold up:
Constitution gives gov’t certain, limited powers
Senate/pres. sing treaty saying Constitution is null

Yeah, looks legit to me /s


50 posted on 06/12/2013 5:01:26 AM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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