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Widow: Fort Worth Cops Were “Trigger Happy”
CBS ^ | 5.28

Posted on 06/11/2013 11:03:11 PM PDT by Arthurio

FORT WORTH (CBSDFW.COM) - A widow is seeking answers after her husband was shot and killed on his own property by Fort Worth police officers early Tuesday morning. “I think the police made a terrible mistake,” said Kathy Waller.

She said that a loud noise and bright light woke up her and her husband, 73-year-old Jerry Waller, shortly after midnight on Tuesday. He grabbed a gun and headed to the garage, she said, where Jerry Waller was then shot by police officers who were investigating a burglar alarm.

Waller thinks that the officers reacted too quickly. “Somebody just got a little trigger happy, and away they go,” she said.

Cpl. Tracey Knight with the Fort Worth Police Department explained, “He was armed with a handgun and officers feared for their safety. They felt threatened, and that’s when they shot him.”

The burglar alarm was sounding in a neighborhood next to the Woodhaven Country Club in east Fort Worth. A spokesperson with the Fort Worth Police Department said that it is not clear why the two officers who responded to the call were at the Waller home — since it is across the street from the house where the alarm went off.

(Excerpt) Read more at dfw.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; banglist; donutwatch; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 06/11/2013 11:03:11 PM PDT by Arthurio
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This is a tragic loss.

Too many idiots running around with impunity.


2 posted on 06/11/2013 11:08:57 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Arthurio

C’mon jackboot lickers. Explain to the rest of us how this grossly negligent homocide by the police was justified.

The police who investigate the police who shot this man will surely rule it a justified (”they were in fear for their safety”) killing. /spit


3 posted on 06/11/2013 11:12:01 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Arthurio

Was he barking and barring his teeth?


4 posted on 06/11/2013 11:12:01 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: Arthurio

At least they didn’t kill the dog.


5 posted on 06/11/2013 11:12:20 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Arthurio

Too bad Waller didn’t have a chance to kill the thugs, making the world safer for the rest of us.


6 posted on 06/11/2013 11:13:42 PM PDT by pallis
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To: piytar

Someone is sure to come on this thread and explain that since Officer Friendly “feared for his safety”, he was perfectly justified mowing the man down.


7 posted on 06/11/2013 11:15:52 PM PDT by Arthurio
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To: Arthurio

RIP.


8 posted on 06/11/2013 11:20:20 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: piytar

Think about Fear Of Their Lives. Why the hell are they working in that field?


9 posted on 06/12/2013 12:12:40 AM PDT by Domangart
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To: Arthurio
"Cpl. Tracey Knight with the Fort Worth Police Department explained lied, “He was armed with a handgun and officers feared for their safety. They felt threatened, and that’s when they shot him.” There I fixed the "typo" in the article.
10 posted on 06/12/2013 12:15:39 AM PDT by JLS
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To: Gene Eric

In my college town, guy fell asleep in an apartment, door ajar. Cops checked it out, he heard them, not knowing and just woke up. And was shot dead for it.

Which is kinda amazing because I was on the range a few aisles down from a couple of their comrades who couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn (saw their targets).

I’m not a fantastic shot, but I was better than them. With only a few hundred rounds of practice. They should be better than me, which wouldn’t be that difficult.


11 posted on 06/12/2013 12:18:38 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Arthurio
[Knight said, “Officers did follow policies and procedures according to burglary alarm calls.]

That's the problem with cops today. By following “policies and procedures” they react by rote rather than thinking. They shoot friendlies every day and God knows how many dogs they kill. LEAA and other federal agencies have militarized local police forces over the last 30 years. Cops are taught to assume every citizen is armed and dangerous until proved otherwise.

12 posted on 06/12/2013 12:24:50 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: piytar
>"Explain to the rest of us how this grossly negligent homocide by the police was justified."

This is directly tied to the Tyrannically Oppressive Unconstitutional WOD.

Our LEO's feel threatened 24/7 because they are forced by unjust laws to target the entire population.

All we have to do is lighten their load. Dump the corrupt crony cartel creation called prohibition!

People, pets, and public servants weren't routinely gunned down before prohibition! It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on American Citizens, and their public servants.

13 posted on 06/12/2013 12:32:28 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

This is what I have been saying for some time. As they see us as the enemy we will have to see them as such as well. I saw a cop at the roadside wearing a Level III jacket just days ago. That says it all, IMHO. We have crossed the Rubicon.


14 posted on 06/12/2013 12:43:15 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: wastoute

We have more guns and are familiar with the cover and concealment of our neighborhoods. We would win.


15 posted on 06/12/2013 12:55:44 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: F15Eagle

>> And was shot dead for it.

An innocent person’s life stolen by incompetence.


16 posted on 06/12/2013 1:15:19 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I think so, too. It is gonna be one hell of a bloody mess, though.


17 posted on 06/12/2013 1:20:23 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Our public servants no longer see themselves in that light, it would seem. I asked an Active Duty 0-4 in 2007, “Eventually, you will have to decide who to protect. The People or the Politicians.”


18 posted on 06/12/2013 1:23:33 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Arthurio
“He was armed with a handgun and officers feared for their safety. They felt threatened, and that’s when they shot him.”

Uh...they were on his property illegally and unannounced.

19 posted on 06/12/2013 3:13:20 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Arthurio

The new ROE must be, “Shoot anything that has a gun. Immediately.”

Was he pointing it at them? Did they announce they were LEOs? Did they instruct him to stop and drop the gun? Even most perps get a warning and a chance to back down.


20 posted on 06/12/2013 3:19:40 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Gene Eric

People need to start buying body armor. We’re caught in the middle of a war between two rival gangs, the cops and the criminals, and neither of them minds killing us one bit. One gang of thugs justifies it by saying “I feared for my life” and the other by saying “He dissed me.”


21 posted on 06/12/2013 4:05:37 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Gene Eric
He was armed with a handgun and officers feared for their safety. They felt threatened, and that’s when they shot him.

After stories like this, can't this be changed to "The officer was armed with a handgun and the citizens feared for their safety. They felt threatened, and that’s when they shot him."?

22 posted on 06/12/2013 4:36:28 AM PDT by Starstruck (Don't rest. We came close to the 2nd Amendment being field tested.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Yep.

If they’re on the wrong property, they have no authority, are mere trespassers, and they should be stripped of their sovereign immunity.

The situation is getting so bad that we’d be better off simply firing all public “professional” police forces, installing all law enforcement authority in the county sheriffs, and deputizing responsible citizens without pay in our communities.

When the lawsuits come down for this crap, guess who is going to pay? The taxpayers. Not the dumb-as-stump cops, but the taxpayers. The dumb-as-stump cops probably won’t even miss a single donut break.


23 posted on 06/12/2013 4:38:19 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave

Two rookie cops, no supervisor. No announcement at front door to inquire as to “alarm” that they were responding to (when our alarm has gone off this has been the standard police response). Total failure of training, including how to respond with a potential armed individual.


24 posted on 06/12/2013 4:57:14 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: Paladin2

LOL!!! Good question!


25 posted on 06/12/2013 5:17:14 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.)
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To: Bryanw92
We’re caught in the middle of a war between two rival gangs, the cops and the criminals, and neither of them minds killing us one bit.

A few years ago I would have called this comment nuts. I am awake now. You're right.

26 posted on 06/12/2013 5:21:22 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: VerySadAmerican
At least they didn’t kill the dog.

If they had had a dog and it had appeared, no doubt the police would have blasted it, too. Why do you think they issue them guns?

27 posted on 06/12/2013 5:23:57 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Right Wing Assault; Timber Rattler; null and void; Vendome; pax_et_bonum

Of course they SAID they announced that they were police. Right before they murdered the man.


28 posted on 06/12/2013 5:28:55 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.)
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To: Arthurio

Courts have ruled that the police are under no obligation whatsoever to save anybody’s life. So cops are being trained to view their own lives as more important than other people’s lives. They are also are being trained to be paranoid instead of smart. The only thing that matters is that they go home at the end of the day. See a dog? Shoot it. See a man holding a gun? Shoot him. Just say ‘I feared for my life.’ No repercussions. Maybe some paid time off. That’s why being a cop has become just another job in some ways. Except you get to tell people what to do and carry a gun.


29 posted on 06/12/2013 5:30:03 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: Starstruck
After stories like this, can't this be changed to "The officer was armed with a handgun and the citizens feared for their safety. They felt threatened, and that’s when they shot him."?

Are you suggesting that law enforcement place armed, law-abiding citizens on the same level as they are? C'mon now! You know law enforcement officers are "trusted" by the state to be honest and professional. Meanwhile, they are legally permitted to LIE TO YOU to get information.

Oh, and you only need to look at the clown circus bullshit going on in Orlando to see what happens when an armed citizen tries to preserve his own life and shoots a thug-wannabe punk black teenager.

30 posted on 06/12/2013 5:44:19 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

“The new ROE must be, “Shoot anything that has a gun. Immediately.””

That how they are training now, that hesitation will get them killed, that restaint will get them killed. See a gun shoot first, justify it later. Above all, go home at the end of your shift no matter what. These guys are well armed, wearing body armor and working with a partner in an area where many innocent citizens own guns. They can afford a little restraint.


31 posted on 06/12/2013 5:59:20 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

The original article I read was he was ordered to put his weapon down. He complied and raised his hands, The action seemed to be over, so the old guy was picking his gun back up to go back inside his home and was shot. It was not pointed at the officers.
A little communication would have gone a long way!


32 posted on 06/12/2013 6:25:15 AM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: Conserev1

“The original article I read was he was ordered to put his weapon down. He complied and raised his hands, The action seemed to be over, so the old guy was picking his gun back up to go back inside his home and was shot. It was not pointed at the officers. A little communication would have gone a long way!”

Its understandable that an armed man suddenly appearing during a search for a burglar could be mistaken for a threat, but not if they had already talked to him.


33 posted on 06/12/2013 6:42:07 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Conserev1; All
The original article I read was he was ordered to put his weapon down. He complied and raised his hands, The action seemed to be over, so the old guy was picking his gun back up to go back inside his home and was shot. It was not pointed at the officers. A little communication would have gone a long way!

Do you have a link? I have not seen this anywhere, and we would all like to read it.

34 posted on 06/12/2013 7:17:41 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/05/29/rookie-police-officer-shot-fort-worth-homeowner-six-times/

Waller, 72, was shot six times in the chest after he went outside to investigate bright lights outside of the bedroom on Havenwood Lane.

Investigators say he had a handgun, but sources tell CBS 11 News that he had put the gun down and then picked it back up before he was shot.


35 posted on 06/12/2013 8:22:48 AM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: Arthurio

Too much emphasis on “Offizier Sicherheit.” What we need is a little “citizen safety.”


36 posted on 06/12/2013 8:28:44 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: Arthurio

Lord, bring your peace to this man’s widow. :(


37 posted on 06/12/2013 8:44:34 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: piytar

Heck, there’s people willing to justify it if kittens are shot.

(Mom: Officer shot kittens in front of my kids

http://www.wtsp.com/news/watercooler/article/320703/58/Mom-Officer-shot-kittens-in-front-of-my-kids )

No doubt, we’ll be hearing justification for this in 3...2...1....


38 posted on 06/12/2013 8:52:29 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Arthurio

Those “no hesitation targets” are clearly working.


39 posted on 06/12/2013 8:56:51 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Conserev1

Thanks for the link. Good work.


40 posted on 06/12/2013 9:55:19 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Altariel
Heck, there’s people willing to justify it if kittens are shot.

So, it is OK to have feral cats overrun a neighborhood?

41 posted on 06/12/2013 9:59:06 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Arthurio

If you pulled a gun on a cop and shot them, and said “I didn’t know they were a cop, I thought they were criminals”, the state would haul you to court and try to put you away.

The same should be true for cops who shoot people without determining whether they are actual criminals.

And yes, that means some cops will die. And that is why we should pay them well, and thank them. That is the nature of the job, and we need people willing to risk their lives in order to save innocent lives.

Shooting 72-year-old innocent people is NOT “saving innocent lives”, it is TAKING an innocent life just to keep yourself safe. Which is what we ordinary citizens can’t do but might be excused for doing, but cops should be BETTER.


42 posted on 06/12/2013 10:17:54 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Shimmer1

Unreal.

Manslaughter at least.


43 posted on 06/12/2013 11:39:28 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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