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Is Gen Y Loyal to Employers?
MainStreet.com ^ | 6-11-13 | Michael P. Tremoglie

Posted on 06/12/2013 7:52:31 AM PDT by William Tell 2

Do 20- and 30-somethings prefer a womb-to-tomb quasi-communist corporate culture like Japan, or do they prefer a less secure, more competitive, corporate culture of modern America?

There was a time when Americans worked for a ...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bigbusiness; corporations; generationy; unions; work; workforce

1 posted on 06/12/2013 7:52:32 AM PDT by William Tell 2
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To: William Tell 2

Loyalty is a two-way street.


2 posted on 06/12/2013 7:55:09 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: William Tell 2

Not loyal to their wife/significant other.
Not loyal to brands of anything they buy.
Not loyal to much of anything.

So why on earth would we expect them to be loyal
to their employers?


3 posted on 06/12/2013 7:58:46 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: William Tell 2

I used to worry that I would be replaced by younger software enigneers

But they come out of college knowing a thing or two about lambda expressions and use them everywhere making unreadable code and when you talk to them about it you get the look like you are such an old geezer for not being hip to the new programming that they are so special for knowing, and where is their trophy for participating?

Getting fired a couple of times gives them some “experience” they need. I dont WANT TO be the boss, but when I have to be, the first thing I stress is that EXPERIENCE is something you cannot really understand until you get some, and so try not to embarass themselves too much because they will feel all that more stupid later when they grow up.


4 posted on 06/12/2013 7:59:27 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: William Tell 2

If the question was about Gen Xers, it would also have to take into consideration how many Xers HAVE jobs to begin with, which don’t involve the phrases: ‘Can I get you some fries with that’? or ‘how would you like your coffee’? :(

/Xer


5 posted on 06/12/2013 7:59:28 AM PDT by Kriggerel ("All great truths are hard and bitter, but lies... are sweeter than wild honey" (Ragnar Redbeard))
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To: Perdogg

“Loyalty is a two-way street.”

Exactly. Employers do not provide work environments most people even care for. Maybe the older generations are suckers? I have no doubt we have raised generations of spoiled brats but we can’t lay all the blame on those generations for the lousy work environments and compensation packages.


6 posted on 06/12/2013 8:01:38 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: William Tell 2

Often in today’s job market, employers treat employees like dirt. Show up on time, never take a sick day, work hard, get fired anyway. So it’s not surprising that people aren’t loyal to their employer.


7 posted on 06/12/2013 8:02:34 AM PDT by Aglooka ("I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.")
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Exactly. File this under “Does the Pope wear a funny hat?”

I know and work with a LOT of Gen Y folks. There is Zero employer loyalty. In fact, I don’t even think there is all taht much project loyalty.


8 posted on 06/12/2013 8:04:15 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: William Tell 2

Are employers loyal to anyone?


9 posted on 06/12/2013 8:04:43 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: William Tell 2

Funny as h*ll; Japan is “quasi-communist,” but America is “corporate.”

What planet is this writer living on?

Or was the article written by Rip vanWinkle...?


10 posted on 06/12/2013 8:05:51 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: William Tell 2

No. Why should they be?

Is the employer going to be loyal to them? No.

The employer is going to use their labor and talent, for the lowest price they can get and then dump them when they become too expensive or the employer discovers a cool new way to outsource. Employees should adopt the same attitude towards their employers. Employee loyalty is neither a useful or good trait in today’s world.


11 posted on 06/12/2013 8:08:01 AM PDT by Hawk1976 (It is better to die in on your feet than it is to live as on your knees.)
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To: Mr. K

Sadly that comes with the lack of RESPECT for their elders.


12 posted on 06/12/2013 8:08:04 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Kriggerel

There are other jobs for Gen Y. Some ask “paper or plastic?” in addition to the questions you listed.


13 posted on 06/12/2013 8:08:46 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: William Tell 2

I checked out some stuff at a local CVS and it was all machine run check-out.


14 posted on 06/12/2013 8:10:49 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: cuban leaf

With a little dash of that “stick it to the man!” attitude from the 1960;s.


15 posted on 06/12/2013 8:13:04 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: William Tell 2
Most companies will now kick you to the curb for the slightest short term economic benefit. I see no reason for the employees to do otherwise to the companies.
16 posted on 06/12/2013 8:15:53 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (This message has been recorded but not approved by Obama's StasiNet. Read it at your peril.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

That isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

How many baby boomers stayed in miserable marriages for the kids, only to discover that the kids knew they were miserable and as a result either refused to marry or got in crummy marriages themselves, because they had no idea how to do any better?

Brand loyalty was a great deal. Then Detroit decided to start building cars that fell apart at 100K miles because they wanted to force their customers to buy new cars.

Competition is a good thing in life.


17 posted on 06/12/2013 8:24:58 AM PDT by Hawk1976 (It is better to die in on your feet than it is to live as on your knees.)
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To: Perdogg

Exactly. Companies will cut them loose in a heartbeat so why should they be loyal? Times have changed.


18 posted on 06/12/2013 8:28:21 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Mr. K

In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.

In practice, however, there is.


19 posted on 06/12/2013 8:29:03 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: 0.E.O
I've never had an employer who showed any loyalty to me. I'm always valued, but when it comes right down to it, they pay attention to the bottomline. I'm fine with that; can't see the world operating any other way.

And in likewise fashion, I move on whenever it suits me. If you give me a paycheck, you purchase 2 weeks of loyalty. That's it.

I didn't build this world, I just live in it.

20 posted on 06/12/2013 8:44:36 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Mr. K

Yep, young developers and Indians can’t code for crap. It is all about plug-ins to make plug-ins work and open source. None of them can write real old fashion code that doesn’t depend on several third party libraries and frameworks, but they can dazzle you with the latest speak from some blog somewhere.


21 posted on 06/12/2013 9:59:22 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: CodeToad

Sorry I go to work to work. I don’t need ping pong tables and group outings to make me work better. Respect my work and compensate me or I will leave not because I am expected to sit at my desk most of the day and not play darts every 30 minutes and call it brainstorming.


22 posted on 06/12/2013 10:00:55 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: ClearCase_guy

Like +1.


23 posted on 06/12/2013 10:02:14 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Perdogg

Exactly, I’ve been working about 20 years now, and every employer wants your loyalty, and nearly every one I have ever worked for or with has no qualms cutting folks lose in a heartbeat, 25 years of dedication doesn’t matter.. here meet mr H1B now train him to replace you and have fun finding a job at 60.

They days where Loyalty was given and expected, and to be disloyal to your employer was a major ordeal. Today, loyalty is a mouthpiece word from employers, it is not given but they give it lip service.

In today’s economy and work environment, the only person you need to be loyal to is yourself.. if that loyalty coincides with your employers, great, if it doesn’t you have to look out for yourself at all times first.

Sad but true fact of life.


24 posted on 06/12/2013 10:13:23 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Perdogg

Exactly, I have no loyalty to those that have none to me. Get everything in writing up front, including the severance package.


25 posted on 06/12/2013 10:30:15 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: William Tell 2

Loyalty to employers ended in the 1990s. The CEOs wanted us to think of ourselves as independent contractors and we are.

They are just a tool for us. As we are for them.


26 posted on 06/12/2013 10:33:10 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: buffaloguy

I think pensions were the last vestige of loyalty-producing behavior. When those went away, it was a new ball game.

The biggest reason for “loyalty” today for most employees is the Baraqqi Depression. There’s no place else to go....


27 posted on 06/12/2013 10:36:15 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Resolute Conservative

I worked with a TON of them

We have effectively brain-drained the whole country

They talk a good game, can recide from memory the C# syntax, but can’t code for $hit.

I interview with a ton of these guys. Whenever anyone asked about some obscure c# class or attribute I say “I don’t know what that is, I’ve never had a need to use it” and then if they act all superior I ask THEM about some obscure code that I have used and how they would adapt it to accept data from a hardware device connected to a serial port.

I swear hardly any of them knew how to make an event handler to handle process the input. And the ones that did prcessed it a character at a time, until I asekd them about data coming in at 128kbaug and how they would refresh the screen after each character....

They KNOW what a mutex or semaphore or monitor is, but when asked how to apply it in that situation they have no clue.


28 posted on 06/12/2013 12:19:03 PM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Mr. K

The place I was at before this gig was full of them. Their code was was so complex and convoluted for what it did. They had layers upon layers of classes that had one line of code or method in them. We’d hit a problem and they would immediate want to create yet another class that would basically check a value and set a flag. They said it was better to have lots of small single purpose classes over having a couple of static utility classes to handle stuff like that since that “was the agile way, you know one class one purpose”. I would just smile. The freakin’ stack trail was sometimes over 30 layers.

Another stupid thing they would be checking Windows credentials in almost every single layer in the business logic. I was like so you think the login is going to change from process to process in the same session? And they wondered why their code was so slow sometimes. But like you said they could recite syntax and spew textbook definitions of terms.


29 posted on 06/12/2013 12:32:39 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Hawk1976

The only way to build up your salary is to job hop. Don’t let anyone tell you it is not a good thing. It’s the only thing. I remember I started a job B and got 15% increase over job A. I got another offer, job C, from another company with 10% more. So in one month I increased my salary 35%.


30 posted on 06/12/2013 12:38:20 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: William Tell 2

They might be if they could find one.


31 posted on 06/12/2013 4:42:30 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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