Skip to comments.Is Gen Y Loyal to Employers?
Posted on 06/12/2013 7:52:31 AM PDT by William Tell 2
Do 20- and 30-somethings prefer a womb-to-tomb quasi-communist corporate culture like Japan, or do they prefer a less secure, more competitive, corporate culture of modern America?
There was a time when Americans worked for a ...
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Loyalty is a two-way street.
Not loyal to their wife/significant other.
Not loyal to brands of anything they buy.
Not loyal to much of anything.
So why on earth would we expect them to be loyal
to their employers?
I used to worry that I would be replaced by younger software enigneers
But they come out of college knowing a thing or two about lambda expressions and use them everywhere making unreadable code and when you talk to them about it you get the look like you are such an old geezer for not being hip to the new programming that they are so special for knowing, and where is their trophy for participating?
Getting fired a couple of times gives them some “experience” they need. I dont WANT TO be the boss, but when I have to be, the first thing I stress is that EXPERIENCE is something you cannot really understand until you get some, and so try not to embarass themselves too much because they will feel all that more stupid later when they grow up.
If the question was about Gen Xers, it would also have to take into consideration how many Xers HAVE jobs to begin with, which don’t involve the phrases: ‘Can I get you some fries with that’? or ‘how would you like your coffee’? :(
“Loyalty is a two-way street.”
Exactly. Employers do not provide work environments most people even care for. Maybe the older generations are suckers? I have no doubt we have raised generations of spoiled brats but we can’t lay all the blame on those generations for the lousy work environments and compensation packages.
Often in today’s job market, employers treat employees like dirt. Show up on time, never take a sick day, work hard, get fired anyway. So it’s not surprising that people aren’t loyal to their employer.
Exactly. File this under “Does the Pope wear a funny hat?”
I know and work with a LOT of Gen Y folks. There is Zero employer loyalty. In fact, I don’t even think there is all taht much project loyalty.
Are employers loyal to anyone?
Funny as h*ll; Japan is “quasi-communist,” but America is “corporate.”
What planet is this writer living on?
Or was the article written by Rip vanWinkle...?
No. Why should they be?
Is the employer going to be loyal to them? No.
The employer is going to use their labor and talent, for the lowest price they can get and then dump them when they become too expensive or the employer discovers a cool new way to outsource. Employees should adopt the same attitude towards their employers. Employee loyalty is neither a useful or good trait in today’s world.
Sadly that comes with the lack of RESPECT for their elders.
There are other jobs for Gen Y. Some ask “paper or plastic?” in addition to the questions you listed.
I checked out some stuff at a local CVS and it was all machine run check-out.
With a little dash of that “stick it to the man!” attitude from the 1960;s.
That isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
How many baby boomers stayed in miserable marriages for the kids, only to discover that the kids knew they were miserable and as a result either refused to marry or got in crummy marriages themselves, because they had no idea how to do any better?
Brand loyalty was a great deal. Then Detroit decided to start building cars that fell apart at 100K miles because they wanted to force their customers to buy new cars.
Competition is a good thing in life.
Exactly. Companies will cut them loose in a heartbeat so why should they be loyal? Times have changed.
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, however, there is.
And in likewise fashion, I move on whenever it suits me. If you give me a paycheck, you purchase 2 weeks of loyalty. That's it.
I didn't build this world, I just live in it.
Yep, young developers and Indians can’t code for crap. It is all about plug-ins to make plug-ins work and open source. None of them can write real old fashion code that doesn’t depend on several third party libraries and frameworks, but they can dazzle you with the latest speak from some blog somewhere.
Sorry I go to work to work. I don’t need ping pong tables and group outings to make me work better. Respect my work and compensate me or I will leave not because I am expected to sit at my desk most of the day and not play darts every 30 minutes and call it brainstorming.
Exactly, I’ve been working about 20 years now, and every employer wants your loyalty, and nearly every one I have ever worked for or with has no qualms cutting folks lose in a heartbeat, 25 years of dedication doesn’t matter.. here meet mr H1B now train him to replace you and have fun finding a job at 60.
They days where Loyalty was given and expected, and to be disloyal to your employer was a major ordeal. Today, loyalty is a mouthpiece word from employers, it is not given but they give it lip service.
In today’s economy and work environment, the only person you need to be loyal to is yourself.. if that loyalty coincides with your employers, great, if it doesn’t you have to look out for yourself at all times first.
Sad but true fact of life.
Exactly, I have no loyalty to those that have none to me. Get everything in writing up front, including the severance package.
Loyalty to employers ended in the 1990s. The CEOs wanted us to think of ourselves as independent contractors and we are.
They are just a tool for us. As we are for them.
I think pensions were the last vestige of loyalty-producing behavior. When those went away, it was a new ball game.
The biggest reason for “loyalty” today for most employees is the Baraqqi Depression. There’s no place else to go....
I worked with a TON of them
We have effectively brain-drained the whole country
They talk a good game, can recide from memory the C# syntax, but can’t code for $hit.
I interview with a ton of these guys. Whenever anyone asked about some obscure c# class or attribute I say “I don’t know what that is, I’ve never had a need to use it” and then if they act all superior I ask THEM about some obscure code that I have used and how they would adapt it to accept data from a hardware device connected to a serial port.
I swear hardly any of them knew how to make an event handler to handle process the input. And the ones that did prcessed it a character at a time, until I asekd them about data coming in at 128kbaug and how they would refresh the screen after each character....
They KNOW what a mutex or semaphore or monitor is, but when asked how to apply it in that situation they have no clue.
The place I was at before this gig was full of them. Their code was was so complex and convoluted for what it did. They had layers upon layers of classes that had one line of code or method in them. We’d hit a problem and they would immediate want to create yet another class that would basically check a value and set a flag. They said it was better to have lots of small single purpose classes over having a couple of static utility classes to handle stuff like that since that “was the agile way, you know one class one purpose”. I would just smile. The freakin’ stack trail was sometimes over 30 layers.
Another stupid thing they would be checking Windows credentials in almost every single layer in the business logic. I was like so you think the login is going to change from process to process in the same session? And they wondered why their code was so slow sometimes. But like you said they could recite syntax and spew textbook definitions of terms.
The only way to build up your salary is to job hop. Don’t let anyone tell you it is not a good thing. It’s the only thing. I remember I started a job B and got 15% increase over job A. I got another offer, job C, from another company with 10% more. So in one month I increased my salary 35%.
They might be if they could find one.