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NSA snooping: Necessary defensive tool, or time for a revolution?
Rare.US ^ | June 12, 2013 | Editorial

Posted on 06/12/2013 10:00:15 AM PDT by Abakumov

The fleeing man’s whereabouts are unknown. What fate should befall him when he pops up is an open question depending on whom you ask. “Hero. Traitor. Whistle-blower. Spy. What to call NSA Leaker Ed Snowden?” asked ABC News on Monday night. The battle lines are being drawn in the scandal over the National Security Agency (NSA) vacuuming up private information on millions of ordinary, everyday Americans. Unlike most controversies in the nation’s capital, the belligerents in this showdown don’t fall into predictable partisan camps.

Liberal California Sen. Dianne Feinstein sounds outright hawkish when she declares of Mr. Snowden that, “What he did was an act of treason,” and insists of the NSA activities, “It’s called protecting America.” This is novel positioning for a senior member of her party. In recent decades, Democrats have typically defended those who divulged government secrets at the expense of defense and intelligence operations, and that is still – for the most part – true. Today, however, the lion’s share of overt intra-party division on the leaking issue is on the Republican side of the aisle.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: nsa; obamascandals
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1 posted on 06/12/2013 10:00:15 AM PDT by Abakumov
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To: Abakumov

A MODERN AMERICAN DECLARATION OF LIBERTY

2 posted on 06/12/2013 10:01:28 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Abakumov

Just exactly whom are they trying to protect us from? Sure doesn’t seem to be from Muslim terrorists.


3 posted on 06/12/2013 10:01:49 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Jeff Head

We are so much in need of a revolution. OOPS! HELLO BIG SIS. Hello AG Holder.


4 posted on 06/12/2013 10:02:58 AM PDT by jayrunner
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To: Abakumov

Could be why they’re stocking up in the govmint.


5 posted on 06/12/2013 10:04:11 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: b4its2late

Past time for a revolution.


6 posted on 06/12/2013 10:05:12 AM PDT by Husker24
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To: Abakumov

soon ... and we will know what we have to weather ... lots of fog.


7 posted on 06/12/2013 10:06:34 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Abakumov

8 posted on 06/12/2013 10:06:43 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: Abakumov
Liberal California Sen. Dianne Feinstein sounds outright hawkish when she declares of Mr. Snowden that, “What he did was an act of treason,” and insists of the NSA activities, “It’s called protecting America.”

DiFi is, as usual, exactly wrong. Snowden was protecting America (a constitutional republic, not a toy for petty tyrants like Obama, Pelosi, and DiFi). The unconstitutional NSA data collection was the act of treason, as was the IRS targeting of conservatives, the IRS seizure of millions of medical records, ATF's Fast and Furious, EPA's leakage of conservative data to liberal action groups, and the passage of ObamaCare.

9 posted on 06/12/2013 10:06:47 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Abakumov

Way pass time for a revolt.


10 posted on 06/12/2013 10:07:00 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Abakumov

I see no justification for it. Our borders are wide open, we willfully import people from terrorist producing regions of the world, and we can’t seem to stop terrorists even when we receive dossiers about impending attacks through FedEx.


11 posted on 06/12/2013 10:07:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Abakumov

Abuse of power can come in many forms. While claiming
National Security depends on programs like this, it makes the IRS vote suppression and electoral rights abuse more likely to make one be suspicious of a program like PRISM, especially when it is affiliated with the same idiots that missed the Boston bombers., brought us Able Danger, and condones the FT. Hood massacre perp’s actions thru the excessive delay and obfuscation of duty in treating that act lone as an act of Terrorism.

Should people be suspicious of the regime? You make up your own mind the next next time you call someone you love.


12 posted on 06/12/2013 10:08:04 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: Abakumov; All

The only revolution that we need is to start electing federal lawmakers who will actually respect the federal government’s constitutionally limited powers, particular those powers listed in the Constitution’s Section 8 of Article I.


13 posted on 06/12/2013 10:09:45 AM PDT by Amendment10
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Am amazed by all on this site of FR ... whisper in the dark. It feels like the first time every time.


14 posted on 06/12/2013 10:10:46 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: NormsRevenge
Able Danger

They started out calling Tony Schaffer a traitor too even to the point of accusing him of stealing government property.
15 posted on 06/12/2013 10:11:45 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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whisper ... the fog is only there for those seeking to see it.


16 posted on 06/12/2013 10:12:03 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Abakumov
Liberal California Sen. Dianne Feinstein sounds outright hawkish when she declares of Mr. Snowden that, “What he did was an act of treason,” and insists of the NSA activities, “It’s called protecting America.”

I've encountered a few people on FR who absolutely agree with her on this one.

17 posted on 06/12/2013 10:13:33 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: NormsRevenge
especially when it is affiliated with the same idiots that missed the Boston bombers., brought us Able Danger, and condones the FT. Hood massacre perp’s actions thru the excessive delay and obfuscation of duty in treating that act as an act of Terrorism workplace violence.

There.

Fixed.

18 posted on 06/12/2013 10:16:02 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: null and void

Kind of like ... Bless the Broken Road.


19 posted on 06/12/2013 10:17:34 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

and what dark chill
is gathering still
before the storm?


20 posted on 06/12/2013 10:17:37 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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This much I know is true ... Northern Stars.


21 posted on 06/12/2013 10:18:33 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Abakumov

Time to disband the NSA and repeal the PATRIOT act.


22 posted on 06/12/2013 10:19:11 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: null and void
all part of a grander plan ... that is coming true. God Blessed the Broken Road. America should not exist.
23 posted on 06/12/2013 10:19:58 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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though America is Still Here!


24 posted on 06/12/2013 10:20:43 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

Where are we in Revelation?

No where.

At the Final Battle we simply don’t exist, or have been rendered irrelevant.


25 posted on 06/12/2013 10:22:17 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: null and void

Maybe ... Maybe Not ... I do not have the right to decide.


26 posted on 06/12/2013 10:23:43 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: null and void
well nully ... you make an excellent point ... it is written.
27 posted on 06/12/2013 10:24:42 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Jeff Head

Every business owner in America, steadfastly, and in unison, refusing to submit withholding tax payments to the IRS.

That would bring them down in about fifteen days.


28 posted on 06/12/2013 10:25:39 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: dfwgator

Every time a Democrat gets in office, the focus turns to Domestic Terrorism. It happened during Clintoon with PATCON and it’s happening again under Obama. Our current Admin has already stated the international war on terror is over. Considering his speeches and dialogue, the focus is obviously on domestics.

Remember the leaked DHS memo labeling practically everyone who disagree’s with Democrat politics as a terrorist? All of the pieces are fitting into place. The Obama Whitehouse is turning the Federal Gov against what it considers it’s enemies. We are the enemy. The Republicans are going along, hoping they get the keys when it comes their turn.

If I had the power, the money, and the influence, I would put together an organization and recruit service level employee’s from across the country to start spying on our politicians. If they want access to our secrets and private lives, we should have the same access to theirs. I would start in DC and recruit waiters, cabbies, limo drivers, hotel workers, and call girls to report everything these people do at all times of the day. If Gov can spy on us, we should be able to spy on them, especially while they are in public places. Want to motivate John Boner or perhaps just annoy him? Stick a cameraman outside his home and record his and his family and their every move. These are public figures and we need our own citizen run paparazzi. Consider it payback. The laws are on the books and if they want celebrity status and exemption from the rule of law, they get to pay for it with having their lives exposed. If we cant be secure in our lives and our secrets, neither should they.


29 posted on 06/12/2013 10:25:40 AM PDT by drunknsage
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now am just rolling Home.


30 posted on 06/12/2013 10:25:42 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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just passing through ... temporary Home.


31 posted on 06/12/2013 10:28:15 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: null and void
At the Final Battle we simply don’t exist, or have been rendered irrelevant.

Yep....a smouldering crater after Russia and China nukes us......because Obama destroyed our nuclear deterrant capability.

32 posted on 06/12/2013 10:28:32 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: drunknsage

and then we would see their guns. Can’t tell what is going on. Too much ____________ insert word.


33 posted on 06/12/2013 10:29:50 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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Is there a smile on God’s Face?


34 posted on 06/12/2013 10:30:39 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: DCBryan1

Or Iran, or North Korea, or the tallyban, or more likely, we simply implode, we’re so busy with our own devastated economy and civil wars (wars plural) that the events in the ME don’t even make the news here.


35 posted on 06/12/2013 10:31:53 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Amendment10

That opportunity has passed us. Not one has stepped up to the plate. What will cause it will be an overt action on a passively assembling group not acceding to, and resisting, a federal demand, according to Amdmt 1 and/or 2. Concord. Lexington. Where liberals have taken over the holy ground.


36 posted on 06/12/2013 10:33:01 AM PDT by imardmd1 (An armed society is a polite society -- but dangerous for the fool --)
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To: Abakumov
I don't think it's the data collection so much that's a problem - it's being collected at the original source as a matter of everyday business, and for good reason. If a revolution is necessary it will be because those entrusted with it have succumbed to the temptation to abuse it for purposes of political or social control. And unfortunately that is a genuine and present danger: information of nearly equal sensitivity, IRS tax records, is also guarded by gatekeepers and these have openly and unashamedly betrayed their trust with no consequences at all.

That puts the NSA data in the category of too dangerous to entrust to anyone, which is unfortunate, because there are certainly beneficial uses for it. Where there are no penalties for its abuse, and I mean actual penalties, not simply something on the books that might be used for selective enforcement should the administration care to; where there are no penalties, there should be no access.

Put crudely, I want bodies hanging over the IRS affair all the way to the top or the NSA program needs to be canceled. It is NOT improper to conflate the two, it is entirely and specifically appropriate.

37 posted on 06/12/2013 10:33:15 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: null and void

Soon after we fail to come to the aid of Israel.


38 posted on 06/12/2013 10:33:53 AM PDT by Errant
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Every Storm Runs Out of Rain ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=zIbuXTgextU


39 posted on 06/12/2013 10:34:05 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Abakumov
NSA chief Gen. Keith Alexander is one of the witnesses at a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing on enduring cybersecurity threats. He takes questions on recent leaks revealing the extent of domestic phone surveillance by the NSA.

Should be interesting, in less than 30 minutes, on CSPAN3 of course.

40 posted on 06/12/2013 10:37:03 AM PDT by Errant
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Nobody ever gets pushed around.


41 posted on 06/12/2013 10:41:40 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

So am I.


42 posted on 06/12/2013 10:41:59 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Errant
Soon after we fail to come to the aid of Israel.

I dunno if we cease to be relevant because we fail to come to the aid of Israel, or if we fail to come to the aid of Israel because we've already ceased to be relevant.

I do know that on this trajectory "we" (that is to say "obama") WON'T come to the aid of Israel.

43 posted on 06/12/2013 10:42:07 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Biggirl

Keep on remembering ... Jesus give us clues. Jesus gives me no clues ... Jesus give us all clues.


44 posted on 06/12/2013 10:43:19 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: null and void

Big One Nully!


45 posted on 06/12/2013 10:43:55 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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Every Storm Runs Out of Rain.


46 posted on 06/12/2013 10:46:35 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals; Biggirl

Even an agnostic such as myself can get a clue.


47 posted on 06/12/2013 10:46:41 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: null and void

You are one of us nully! {{HUGS}}


48 posted on 06/12/2013 10:47:52 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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Hold our Heads up America ... Walk out that door!


49 posted on 06/12/2013 10:50:07 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: null and void
The way I understand it is, there is an initial battle involving Israel and its neighbors. Mystery Babylon (which I believe may be the US) fails to come to Israel's aid.

Damascus is destroyed, Israel suffers massive loses. Mystery Babylon has it's "City(ies)" (not too sure the extent) destroyed in a day / hour . The world rejoices (kinda sounds like DC).

Israel is forced into a peace with the remaining powers, which doesn't work out well and Israel is forced into a final battle at which the almighty sends his army to the rescue.

Something like that, IMO. Many other theories floating around though. Petty obvious major changes for the entire world are coming and soon.

50 posted on 06/12/2013 10:56:03 AM PDT by Errant
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