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Snowden Threatens to Reveal More 'Explosive' NSA Secrets (About U.S. Hacking of Chinese Computers)
NewsMax ^ | 06/12/2013

Posted on 06/12/2013 1:24:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 06/12/2013 1:24:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Considering all the Chinese nationals working in our contract defense industries, Its really more like information sharing.


2 posted on 06/12/2013 1:27:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind

So the traitor Snowden is planning to reveal the cyber secrets our nation uses to hack adversaries. And he’s still hiding out in Hong Kong, China. Are there still misguided people here who think he is some kind of hero? Good grief, it’s incredibly sad when supposed conservatives line up behind the hero’s of Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky, etc. Just pathetic.


3 posted on 06/12/2013 1:27:58 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: SeekAndFind

Alright guys, let’s hear what a hero he is. There is no gray area here, exposing secrets about our espionage involving other countries is TREASON.

This guy is acting based on ego and self-interest. He’ll tell every secret he knows in exchange for favors from the Chinese.


4 posted on 06/12/2013 1:28:08 PM PDT by TroutGuy
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To: SeekAndFind

If he’s going to provide sensitive info to an enemy foreign government, then he’s crossing the red line for me.


5 posted on 06/12/2013 1:28:23 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: SeekAndFind
Nothing Snowden has said so far has led me to believe his intention is to reveal secrets damaging to legitimate National Security concerns. Everything he's said and done so far has been related to constitutionally questionable acts directed against Americans without reasonable cause.

However, I do expect the media will try to create another impression.

6 posted on 06/12/2013 1:30:35 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Longbow1969

What part of this do you think is news to the chicoms?

I worked in high tech and IT and know more than a few H1B visa holders. Moreover, MOST if not ALL of the IT equipment involved in this little discussion is Made in China(tm).

The chicoms have been the fly on the wall in any major IT installation for at least 20 years. Possibly longer.

I’m way more worried about the ‘toon’s greasing the slides for transfer of MIRV technology. That CAN get a lot of us killed.


7 posted on 06/12/2013 1:30:37 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: SeekAndFind
Looking more like a ChiCom agent all the time.
8 posted on 06/12/2013 1:31:03 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Forget it, Jake. It's Eric Holder's people.")
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To: SeekAndFind
Thumb drive?

Sensitive government computers should lock up when an external drive is incerted into a USB port.

9 posted on 06/12/2013 1:31:27 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why threaten? Or is that just a headline?


10 posted on 06/12/2013 1:31:35 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: SeekAndFind
"He's already exposed part of it and I guess he's going to expose the rest of it."

[insert Anthony Weiner joke here]


11 posted on 06/12/2013 1:31:50 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Black Agnes

How much of the information the NSA is seeking about American citizens is stored on servers in Asia?


12 posted on 06/12/2013 1:32:18 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind
"We hack network backbones, like huge Internet routers...

Cisco makes most of the routers, so it makes sense that Obama was having meetings with Cisco from early on.


Guest list: Left, from President Obama, Apple chairman and CEO Steve Jobs, Westly group founder Steve Westly, host's wife Ann Doerr, Google CEO Eric Schmidt, Genentech chairman Art Levinson, Cisco Systems CEO John Chambers, venture capitalist John Doerr (host) Oracle CEO Larry Ellison, Netflix CEO Reed Hastings, Stanford University president John Hennessy, Yahoo president Carol Bartz, Twitter CEO Dick Costolo, unknown, Facebook founder, president and CEO Mark Zuckerberg

They're all one big happy family.

13 posted on 06/12/2013 1:32:45 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: TroutGuy

The emotional investment in Snowden’s heroism is pretty deep.


14 posted on 06/12/2013 1:32:57 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: TroutGuy
He’ll tell every secret he knows in exchange for favors from the Chinese.

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 9 Jun

Nothing says "patriotic commitment to civil liberties" like threatening to defect to China.

15 posted on 06/12/2013 1:33:58 PM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: skeeter

How many of these H1B visa holders have just walked out the door with it.

How many national laboratories have had spy scandals in the past 15 years. WHY are foreigners working there?

Apparently the ONLY people that weren’t aware there was wholesale spying on American civilians were American civilians.


16 posted on 06/12/2013 1:34:15 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Cementjungle

Most Cisco routers are Made in China(tm).

How much of this do you really think the chicoms don’t already know?

(very little)


17 posted on 06/12/2013 1:35:30 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Gene Eric

I don’t think he’s a hero.

I’m very glad the average LIV knows they’re being digitally stalked 24/7. They need to know it wasn’t just Bush doing it.


18 posted on 06/12/2013 1:36:44 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: cripplecreek

He should do the right thing and turn himself in. Why is he going to our enemy (China) to release this information?


19 posted on 06/12/2013 1:37:02 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Black Agnes
Apparently the ONLY people that weren’t aware there was wholesale spying on American civilians were American civilians.

The ignorant, naive or uncaring American civilians.

20 posted on 06/12/2013 1:37:41 PM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: SeekAndFind
SURPRISE!!!!

This has the stench of team Obama all over it. Snowden starts out enlisting support of Americans against their government, then quickly goes into 'sabotage America's intelligence gathering capabilities against foreign countries' mode.

This is an Obama false flag, intended to undermine America's intelligence gathering capabilities. Let's tell the world what and how we spy on them, making us weaker.. Making what SHOULD be classified, UNCLASSIFIED.

Just another Obama bait and switch.. DUPING AMERICANS into supporting the disbandment of our ability to counter foreign threats.

SUCKERS!

21 posted on 06/12/2013 1:37:48 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: Black Agnes
To be honest it matter little if Snowden is a traitor or not - the fact that Americans have lost a great deal of trust in the US government over the past week is a very healthy thing.

Besides, does anyone think there is anything this guy could do that would come close to being as damaging to national security as what the purple lipped prince is doing from the White House right now?

22 posted on 06/12/2013 1:37:49 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Longbow1969
I agree. I wouldn’t go so far as saying he is a traitor, but this knee jerk reaction to call him a hero is troubling.
23 posted on 06/12/2013 1:37:53 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Longbow1969

So the hero Snowden is planning to reveal the cyber secrets our criminal, mercantilist leaders use to hack the computers of other criminal, mercantilist leaders to accumulate more wealth for themselves.

There, fix it.


24 posted on 06/12/2013 1:38:07 PM PDT by gotribe (Limit The Government's Right To Bear Arms)
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To: SeekAndFind

regardless of what I think of what the NSA is doing, in terms of them getting the meta data dump, maybe now we might see

a. why snowden went to Hong Kong

b. why the world meta-data dump should be searched to see if there is some big bank account somewhere with his name on it

why

China has been looking for a long time for something to take the world geopolitical heat off it as the world’s biggest cyber hacker.

I don’t know if, for pay, snowden became involved in that effort, but if correlation alone was proof (it is not) it could start to look that way.


25 posted on 06/12/2013 1:38:15 PM PDT by Wuli (as)
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To: Longbow1969
So the traitor Snowden is planning to reveal the cyber secrets our nation uses to hack adversaries.

I don't think it was Snowden who gave the Chinese the plans for most of our Military systems? Remember Clinton likely facilitated (for $$ donations) the turnover of our Nuclear Weapons system plans to the Chinese in the 90s. It was from Los Alamos.

I would like to know what documents Sandy "the evil traitor" Burger removed from the National Archives..

I have no doubt the evil leftists in this administration of facilitating the turnover of our most critical defense system designs to the enemy.

H*ll, for all we know Snowden could be acting at the behest of the Marxist President... distraction, subversion, who knows....

26 posted on 06/12/2013 1:38:54 PM PDT by sand88
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To: Longbow1969
supposed conservatives line up behind the hero’s of Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky, etc. Just pathetic.

Careful with the accusatory rhetoric FRiend.

Do I need to remind you that you're lining up with those like Feinstein, Biden, and Obama?

Yes, some have taken sides already, I choose to see how this pans out for a little while longer.

Careful, the kick you throw out might end up in your own mouth.....give it some time.

27 posted on 06/12/2013 1:39:01 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rats vs. GOPe = Same train, different speed.)
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To: cripplecreek

To quote Randy Quaid’s character in Independence Day, “I’ve been sayin’ that for 10 damn years”.


28 posted on 06/12/2013 1:39:06 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: TroutGuy

Let me ask you this. Do you think those in charge of THIS country are your allies?

It’s increasingly looking like the average American doesn’t have ANY allies. Least of all in DC.

Just because you think the Chicoms are your enemy (and the elite chicoms likely are), don’t think the elites in THIS country aren’t ALSO your enemy.

They are.


29 posted on 06/12/2013 1:39:17 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yep, I think many conservatives who have hailed him as a hero are going to be red faced. This may actually turn into a divisive subject for all conservatives.


30 posted on 06/12/2013 1:39:25 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Yes, DWTS is very distracting.

Now they know. We’ll see what happens next.


31 posted on 06/12/2013 1:40:00 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: skeeter

I still want to know who set up ST6.


32 posted on 06/12/2013 1:40:33 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: SeekAndFind

From what I was reading, he was in contact with the Guardian before his last job.


33 posted on 06/12/2013 1:40:42 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Longbow1969
So the traitor Snowden is planning to reveal the cyber secrets our nation uses to hack adversaries.

I would have agreed until the regime decided to put the tea party on the terrorist list. We, the people, are now the adversaries.

34 posted on 06/12/2013 1:41:25 PM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: skeeter

Spying on China and countering their hacking WITH OUR HACKING is our government’s job (national security). This is nothing more than Obama trying to GUT our intelligence capabilities. But first, he had to make you think Snowden was on your side. There are some people who will just run with their first notions and support a total block on America’s ability to spy on China, or Russia, or any other foreign country.


35 posted on 06/12/2013 1:41:38 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: TroutGuy

“This guy is acting based on ego and self-interest. “

So, putting the middle of your forehead squarely at the intersection of the crosshairs of the most powerful government entities on planet Earth is “self-interest”?

I’m not buying it.

As for ego...I really didn’t pick up any of that vibe watching the interviews; he seemed pretty dispassionate about it all. There was a distinct lack of self-championing going on.

Did you watch the interviews? If not, you need to; you’ll have a much better take on the guy’s attitude and motive.


36 posted on 06/12/2013 1:42:42 PM PDT by HKMk23 (ERIC SNOWDEN == GUY MONTAG)
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To: Wuli

>> I don’t know if, for pay, snowden became involved in that [China] effort

In the vein of conspiracy, it’s unpopular to prosecute a “national hero” for Snowden’s sake.

But for the moment, I’m dubious about the China connection.


37 posted on 06/12/2013 1:42:56 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Sam Gamgee

We don’t have secrets hidden from China and haven’t had for years now. Our defense industries are full of Chinese nationals, much of our “secret” tech is made by China, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the computers at the Utah data center are primarily Chinese made. The only thing he has China might want is PR value.

Guess I’m just not one of those people who can forget those little things when its convenient.


38 posted on 06/12/2013 1:43:08 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Black Agnes

I am expressing an opinion here but I don’t think that the current crop of Mexicans, Asians, and ME’s have any intention of assimilating and becoming Americans as did the pre WW II and immediately after WW II immigrants. At least I have not seen evidence of it, like learning our language and flying our flag on holidays etc...


39 posted on 06/12/2013 1:43:47 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Longbow1969
So the traitor Snowden is planning to reveal the cyber secrets our nation uses to hack adversaries

The NSA domestic surveillance program was never secret. All Snowden has disclosed is the scope of the surveillance, and the fact that all Americans are under surveillance - even those not under suspicion.

How is that treason?

40 posted on 06/12/2013 1:44:37 PM PDT by Spirochete (Does the FedGov have the attributes of a legitimate government?)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
Just another Obama bait and switch.. DUPING AMERICANS into supporting the disbandment of our ability to counter foreign threats.

I am starting to feel the same way. Something is fishy about this entire Snowden affair. The timing it too convenient.

It is more and more likely an Obama operation.

Remember, these evil leftists lust for absolute control over others -- 24/7 365.25!

The destruction of our Republic is their singular obsessive goal.

41 posted on 06/12/2013 1:45:02 PM PDT by sand88
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To: SeekAndFind
"We hack network backbones, like huge Internet routers, basically, that give us access to the communications of hundreds of thousands of computers without having to hack every single one," he told the newspaper.

That's the key sentence.

That's why the targeted internet companies (Google, Microsoft, Facebook, etc.) are denying they give the NSA unrestricted access. They don't need to.

That's also why arguments over data retention laws are a sideshow. There is no need for them and their huge cost and inefficiency if the NSA is simply vacuuming up the whole of the network traffic and saving it in Bluffdale.

42 posted on 06/12/2013 1:45:41 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
Spying on China and countering their hacking WITH OUR HACKING is our government’s job (national security).

Unless I missed it there is nothing in this article that indicates what information the US is after on these chinese servers.

When it is clear the info was critical to national security then I will have no problem doing an about face on this guy. But it is possible this is consistent with Snowden's original charge the government is involved in spying on its own citizens.

43 posted on 06/12/2013 1:45:52 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Black Agnes
We’ll see what happens next.

My guess will be nothing. Just like all the other Obama administration scandals, lies and broken promises.

44 posted on 06/12/2013 1:46:17 PM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Black Agnes

So would I. But I’m afraid the truth will have to wait until the next life.


45 posted on 06/12/2013 1:47:07 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Resolute Conservative

The whole reason for the immigration act of 1965 was to justify this sort of domestic spying. When you import that many disparate groups that refuse to assimilate you create Yugoslavia. And Yugoslavia needed a Tito to keep the peace.

It becomes inevitable.

Use of this domestic database for political purges and personal gain is a guarantee. Humans are weak that way. Especially politicians.


46 posted on 06/12/2013 1:48:23 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Longbow1969

“Are there still misguided people here who think he is some kind of hero?”

There are other choices besides traitor and hero. As it turns out, this isn’t a completely binary world.

This guy has done us a service - “us” meaning people who care about the Constitution. That doesn’t make him a hero or a traitor.


47 posted on 06/12/2013 1:50:42 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Black Agnes
How much of this do you really think the chicoms don’t already know?

Makes more sense for Obama to work directly with Cisco to gain access to our data traffic than trying to go through the Chinese.

48 posted on 06/12/2013 1:50:52 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: skeeter

If this guy just wanted to sell secrets to China he could have done that.

And we’d have never known.

How many others have done that?

Who knows?

This guy didn’t have to tell ANYONE what he’d done or what NSA was doing. Most spies don’t call the MSM to explain themselves. They just disappear with the data never to be seen again.


49 posted on 06/12/2013 1:51:04 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: SeekAndFind
Given the open nature of the Internet, if hackers with access to a relatively small amount of computing capacity can hack into most commercial and government sites, I'm sure the NSA with its MASSIVE supercomputing capacity could hack into almost anything. And I'm sure the Chinese--now that they have built up several supercomputing centers on Chinese soil--are doing the same thing to us, unfortunately!
50 posted on 06/12/2013 1:54:12 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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