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Snowden Threatens to Reveal More 'Explosive' NSA Secrets (About U.S. Hacking of Chinese Computers)
NewsMax ^ | 06/12/2013

Posted on 06/12/2013 1:24:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Cementjungle

And Cisco routers are all made in China.

The chicoms already know all this.

Pssst, most government networks contain routers and servers with chicom components too. Ditto the telecom systems.

Who decided THAT was a great idea?

Snowden is a peon. If he’d wanted to just sell info to the chicoms he could have done that completely under the radar and been a very wealthy man (if he had access to what he supposedly had access to). We’d have never known.

If he was just spying for the chicoms there was no reason to alert the LIV that they were being stalked. Even less so. Alerting the LIV might dry up a potential source of information for the chicoms too.


51 posted on 06/12/2013 1:54:37 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: SeekAndFind
Remember folks, this is

NEWSMAX

which imo hasn't been worth a bucket of cold goat phlegm since it folded its Forum.
52 posted on 06/12/2013 1:54:58 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Good advice.
It’s generally a good policy to keep your eyes and ears open—and mouth closed—until the facts start to pan-out. ‘The worst are full of passionate intensity’ and all that. This matter seems to have trumped other important issues, transgressions, for now.
Oh yeah, and keep your powder dry.


53 posted on 06/12/2013 1:56:57 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: RayChuang88

They absolutely are.

They have been for years.

Which ones of our politicos got paid off to allow chicom made circuitry into the telecom equipment the miltary uses? And the routers on milnet. And the server motherboards. etc.

How many circuits in our expensive jets, missiles and drones are Made in China?


54 posted on 06/12/2013 1:58:44 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: SeekAndFind

(from the article) “ Supporters of the former NSA subcontractor are lauding him as a whistleblower for divulging NSA monitoring of private users’ web traffic and phone records, in a worldwide trawl that the White House says was needed to keep Americans safe from terror.”

Why is it that we are now fearful of the growth and over-reach of our own government ?
UnConstitutional OVER-Reach ?
This program was alledgedly started to protect us from outsider / foreign terrorists.
The program was designed to protect U.S. citizens from foreign terror
However , the IRS /BATF/ OSHA/ EPA agencies are being used by our government to keep decension down , and repress opposition voices, and isolate political groups .
The terrorists are not all foreign ; we are seeing that the greater threat comes from our government encroaching on our CONSTITUTIONAL rights.
Terrorists need not necessarily involve the use of explosives .
Terrorism involves emotional turmoil , change in behavior, and change in thought (the proverbial ‘what ..if’ scenario).
With all this talk about “metadata” , I dont feel any safer ; I feel more at risk of reprisal for my thoughts and behavior from MY OWN GOVERNMENT !!
This is not what the program was supposed to accomplish !
.. and I should not have to feel this way !


55 posted on 06/12/2013 1:59:46 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (" Criminals simply don’t care if they break the law. " by Larry Correia)
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To: Black Agnes
I can't speak for anyone else but, to me, the way things have been going these past few years it doesn't seem that much of a stretch that the US government would begin harvesting massive qtys of data for possible future use against American citizens.

They have the means and motive, and lack the scruples.

And that is a massive abuse of Constitutional power - but they've already told us in so many words they see the Constitution as an anachronism and a nuisance.

Until I have good reason to believe otherwise I'm taking this guy at his word.

56 posted on 06/12/2013 2:02:18 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

Is there video of Snowden changing his tune and threatening to commit treason now, or are we taking Obama/McCain’s word for that?


58 posted on 06/12/2013 2:02:29 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Drum roll please. Gentlemen, start your engines. Let the Snowden transition from hero to goat begin.


59 posted on 06/12/2013 2:05:49 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: InterceptPoint

Nothing would make Big Brother happier.


60 posted on 06/12/2013 2:06:48 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: tumblindice
Oh yeah, and keep your powder dry.

Always FRiend, and thanks!

I'm kind of curious to what this guy really has up his sleeve, especially after finding out he was under assignment in...Hawaii.

I just find that little factoid a bit curious.

61 posted on 06/12/2013 2:07:18 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rats vs. GOPe = Same train, different speed.)
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To: Wuli
a. why snowden went to Hong Kong

That one's easy. He went to Hong Kong because it's highly unlikely that obama is going to order a drone strike on Chinese territory.

62 posted on 06/12/2013 2:11:00 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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From the whithehouse.gov homepage.

“By the time the disaster of the Great Depression hit the country, Coolidge was in retirement. Before his death in January 1933, he confided to an old friend, “. . . I feel I no longer fit in with these times.”

These times...

God Bless America..


63 posted on 06/12/2013 2:13:02 PM PDT by ConfusedSwede
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To: Gene Eric

like I said

my point was not addressing the pros or cons of the NSA’s activity

but wondering if “public citizen hero/whistleblower” was really snowden’s MOTIVE


64 posted on 06/12/2013 2:20:26 PM PDT by Wuli (as)
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To: SeekAndFind
What I find especially instructive is the fact that Snowden claims that he can receive a fairer trial in China than he could in the US.

As to when China became the very apotheosis of fairness, I remain quite unclear...

65 posted on 06/12/2013 2:39:22 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: Wuli

He could be a Chinese spy that decided to expose the NSA’s domestic spying as a means to appear to be legitimately seeking asylum in China.


66 posted on 06/12/2013 2:43:10 PM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: Cementjungle
Many moons ago was in a training class run by a Cisco employee. He was trying to explain how their routers systems worked back then. After asking him a few questions, I came to the conclusion that he had no idea how they actually worked.

From Cisco support community - Nearly all the Catalyst switches are from factories in China. Wireless access points are also in China.

67 posted on 06/12/2013 2:47:46 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: SeekAndFind

FUD.


68 posted on 06/12/2013 2:49:49 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: gotribe
So the hero Snowden is planning to reveal the cyber secrets our criminal, mercantilist leaders use to hack the computers of other criminal, mercantilist leaders to accumulate more wealth for themselves.

In my opinion, you've nailed it. Good point. Snowden's still in the upper half of the Hero-Meter for me.

69 posted on 06/12/2013 2:49:59 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Don't try to explain yourself to liberals; you're not the jackass-whisperer.)
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To: Black Agnes

The guy says he’s not a traitor or a hero. Just an American. That works for me.

I am grateful for what he released last week but I do wish he wouldn’t toy.


70 posted on 06/12/2013 2:57:41 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Longbow1969

Oh, dear condemn what good conservatives are left who still are out here working to make a difference. He may rat out how bad our government is for what..cyber secrets. I thought scary China was just doing it and our precious Obama would not do such a thing... like giving the finger to the 4th Amendment without a search warrant or just probable cause/the person does not even have knowledge that they are being accused. Yes, glad he is coming forward. I know it must be difficult for some in seeing their government to be humiliated. The government has been dishonest and disloyal more than this guy. Imo. My hope which looks weak, that this policy will be changed... (because too many like being snooped on as they give up their civil rights).


71 posted on 06/12/2013 3:07:36 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: Orangedog

I repeat the question, how certain is it that he is/was in Hong Kong?


72 posted on 06/12/2013 3:07:42 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Timber Rattler

Agreed and seconded.

He may reveal some useful info regarding our personal freedoms, but talking to the commies is no good.


73 posted on 06/12/2013 3:09:50 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
He may reveal some useful info regarding our personal freedoms, but talking to the commies is no good.

You are right about that and American communists are the worse. Hard for some to swallow the fact that the US government is now more communist then China, more totalitarian then Russia and more corrupt then Mexico.

74 posted on 06/12/2013 3:18:22 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Cementjungle

Take a look at where Cisco routers are manufactured sometime.


75 posted on 06/12/2013 3:21:05 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s amazing to me how some people naively accept any narrative that comes out against this man now.

It would take little to no effort for our intelligence agencies to have disappeared Snowden and replaced him with someone with a close enough resemblance to convince a Chinese journalist who’d never met him before.

If Hollywood can do it, do you really think our government can’t?

No one should take anything at face value at this point.


76 posted on 06/12/2013 3:26:35 PM PDT by PlanToDisappear
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To: Irenic

He’s made the LIV’s aware of stuff WE have been aware of for a while. That’s a universal good that’s come of this. Prior to Snowden any conversation I’d have with LIV relatives would end with their telling me to buy aluminum foil an laughing.

They’re not laughing now.


77 posted on 06/12/2013 3:29:02 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: PlanToDisappear
No one should take anything at face value at this point.

My guess, China knows everything and they are dumping it all through their fall guy. Anticipate complete government collapse.

78 posted on 06/12/2013 3:32:25 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: skeeter

Nothing would make Big Brother happier.
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That shouldn’t be the issue. This guy could still be a hero. And he could still be a flake. We don’t know yet. But if he took out any info on his thumb drive that is valuable to the Chinese that would argue for “flake”.

Let’s hope he didn’t.


79 posted on 06/12/2013 3:33:07 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: SeekAndFind

If we’re hacking Chinese computers, then good for us. We should be. Russia’s too, and Iran’s.


80 posted on 06/12/2013 3:36:06 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Lurker
Take a look at where Cisco routers are manufactured sometime.

Everything's made in China, that has nothing to do with Obama wanting Cisco's help with snooping on his political enemies.

81 posted on 06/12/2013 3:36:37 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: PlanToDisappear

No one should take anything at face value at this point.
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True. But don’t forget the lessons from Occam either.


82 posted on 06/12/2013 3:38:46 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: InterceptPoint

there’s no reason for this to be about Snowden at all. He’s not the issue (yet) and may never be. What he’s done, that most of us have seen on video, was neither heroic nor treasonous. It was however, a solidly moral act. If he sells or gives sensitive information to the Communist Chinese, I’ll gladly buy the rope to hang him with; but so far I haven’t seen any evidence that this is likely to happen. All this petty bickering about Snowden only serves to distract the idiots from the underlying and more important issue of the governments treason against us.


83 posted on 06/12/2013 4:11:18 PM PDT by Hugh the Scot
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To: Wuli

I think you made an interesting point which I should have state upfront.


84 posted on 06/12/2013 5:38:46 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yep there it is.

Defending the Constitution is a very different thing from aiding the enemy. Any bets on whether this Quisling is a fan of Bwadley Manning?

Hasta La Vista Comrade Snowden. FU and the Contractual Pecuniary Prosti-Jackwagon you rode in on.


85 posted on 06/12/2013 6:22:57 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I dont mind the Hacking of our enemies,its American citizens that concerns me,this guy has his Priorities wrong,he wont have sympathy from the American Public if he is more concerned with Communists.
As for Data Mining,that works,its been proven.
Go to BING,enter Curt Weldon,Data Mining,good articles on who and When this was begun,lots of good info,with a lot of memory joggers


86 posted on 06/13/2013 5:52:21 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: TBP
Yep, but we need to stop freaking out when the chicoms return the favor, and do it much much better then we could ever hope to.
87 posted on 06/13/2013 11:19:05 AM PDT by bellicoso
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To: bellicoso

That’s why I want to pull some hackers out of jail, commute their sentences, and put them to work doing it. They know how to do it in a way our government never will.


88 posted on 06/13/2013 3:40:18 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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