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Envoy to Pope Francis: Declaring Islam ‘Peaceful’ a Contingency for Restoring Interfaith Ties
Algemeiner ^ | June 12, 2013

Posted on 06/13/2013 4:53:30 AM PDT by SJackson

Al-Azhar Envoy to Pope Francis: Declaring Islam ‘Peaceful’ a Contingency for Restoring Interfaith Ties

JNS.org - An envoy from Egypt’s Al-Azhar University, one of the highest centers of learning in the Islamic world, has called on Pope Francis to declare Islam as a “peaceful religion” in order to restore ties between the world’s two largest faiths.

“The problems that we had were not with the Vatican but with the former pope. Now the doors of Al-Azhar are open,” Mahmoud Abdel Gawad, diplomatic envoy to the grand imam of Al-Azhar, Ahmed al-Tayyeb, told the Cairo-based Italian daily Il Messaggero in a report cited by AFP.

“Francis is a new pope. We are expecting a step forward from him. If in one of his addresses he were to declare that Islam is a peaceful religion, that Muslims are not looking for war or violence, that would be progress in itself,” he said.

But Gawad ruled out any dialogue that would include Jewish leaders, saying during the interview that Al-Azhar “will not take part in any meeting with Israelis.”

Under Pope Benedict, the Catholic Church had strained relations with the Muslim world over comments Benedict made about the Prophet Mohammed in 2006. Additionally, both Benedict and Francis have been critical of Muslim treatment of Christian minorities in the Middle East.


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1 posted on 06/13/2013 4:53:30 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson

Declaring it peaceful doesn’t make it so...


2 posted on 06/13/2013 4:54:37 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: SJackson

islam, religion of devil worshippers, is NOT peaceful and declaring it so will not make it so


3 posted on 06/13/2013 4:54:56 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SJackson

Moment of truth here...


4 posted on 06/13/2013 4:55:43 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Common Sense 101

It’s easy to misunderstand the headline.

It was the MUSLIM representative ASKING the Pope to make the declaration, as the “Contingency for Restoring Interfaith Ties,”.

The Pope has NOT responded.


5 posted on 06/13/2013 4:58:29 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: SJackson

Don’t lighten up, Francis.


6 posted on 06/13/2013 4:58:56 AM PDT by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: Common Sense 101

Also, keep in mind, whatever the Pope’s response, he is concerned for the safety of all Christians living in Muslim countries.


7 posted on 06/13/2013 5:00:59 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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8 posted on 06/13/2013 5:02:41 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: SJackson

“Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”

— Pope Benedict XVI quoting Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaiologos.


9 posted on 06/13/2013 5:02:44 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: SJackson

We agree,peaceful as an evening in springtime!

10 posted on 06/13/2013 5:03:14 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: G Larry

Understood. Comments are “pre-emptive”...


11 posted on 06/13/2013 5:05:50 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: SJackson

Muslims have been at war with us infidels for 1400 years. Saying they are peaceful sounds nice and PC but it can get you killed in the real world
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12 posted on 06/13/2013 5:05:58 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: SJackson

muslims to Pope Francis: Submit


13 posted on 06/13/2013 5:07:45 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Yep.


14 posted on 06/13/2013 5:08:11 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: G Larry

Agreed. Thanks for pointing it out.


15 posted on 06/13/2013 5:09:50 AM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,Â)
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To: G Larry
Also, keep in mind, whatever the Pope’s response, he is concerned for the safety of all Christians living in Muslim countries.

I'm not Catholic, but I have a higher opinion of him than to pre-defend him for being wishy-washy - he's been a gem so far.

16 posted on 06/13/2013 5:12:12 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: SJackson

The Vatican needs to be a nuclear power.


17 posted on 06/13/2013 5:17:54 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: kinsman redeemer
The Vatican needs to be a nuclear power.

FREAKING BRILLIANT! Love it!

18 posted on 06/13/2013 5:20:56 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Moment of truth here...

It really is. My biggest fear here is that if Francis either doesn't respond (most likely) or responds that Islam is not in-line with Catholicism/Christianity, we're going to see bombings in Vatican City and assassination attempts.

These goat-humping, inbred pederasts would rather blow themselves up to make a point than have any real, substantive dialog. I'm tired of the world being afraid of these neanderthals.

19 posted on 06/13/2013 5:22:49 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

It will come to that. It will have to before the west revisits the Crusades.

We cannot coexist with people that want us dead. Period.


20 posted on 06/13/2013 5:34:02 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: SJackson

Why on earth would the Church desire “Interfaith Ties” with Islam? Do Michael and Gabriel hold regular conferences with Lucifer to work out how they can share religious space>


21 posted on 06/13/2013 5:38:48 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economiws In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

“Muslims have been at war with us infidels for 1400 years.”

GENESIS 21:11-12
11 And the angel also said, “You are now pregnant and will give birth to a son. You are to name him Ishmael (which means ‘God hears’), for the Lord has heard your cry of distress.

12 This son of yours will be a wild man, as untamed as a wild donkey! He will raise his fist against everyone, and everyone will be against him. Yes, he will live in open hostility against all his relatives.”


22 posted on 06/13/2013 5:43:27 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever ((Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!))
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To: SJackson
Regensburg: The lecture ... touches on the most poignant current problems the world witnesses, namely, the rise of terrorism and the confrontation between reason and will, between the Word and the Sword.

The lecture includes this quote from Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus (an educated Persian on the subject of Christianity and Islam, and the truth of both) ...

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

23 posted on 06/13/2013 5:47:05 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: SJackson
The World to the Islamic Envoy to Pope Francis: Declaring Islam ‘Peaceful’ won't make it so

The theme, concept and violence advocated in the name of jihad is anything BUT peaceful ...

The emperor goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul.

God is not pleased by blood, and not acting reasonably is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death....

The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God's nature. The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: "For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality." Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazn went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God's will, we would even have to practice idolatry.

In other words, just like Satan did in the garden of Eden, Islam proclaims that God does not mean what He says.

24 posted on 06/13/2013 6:04:17 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: arthurus

Also, who designates anyone to speak for Islam; it’s not as though there is an Islamic “pope” or any other form of ultimate authority.


25 posted on 06/13/2013 6:09:30 AM PDT by I-ambush (Don't let it bring you down, it's only castles burning.)
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To: SJackson

Declaring Islam a peaceful religion would be a lie.Its something that this Pope should Not do.

The believers in that faith have to prove its peaceful.Not the Catholic Church.


26 posted on 06/13/2013 6:09:59 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: SJackson

I can declare that my aunt has b***s, but that doesn’t make her my uncle.


27 posted on 06/13/2013 6:59:09 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein)
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To: SJackson

seems to me Islam is to Peace what orgasm is to rape.If someone is choked to the point of fearing for their life unless they recite Islamic verse-such submission may bring a temporary peace. But when the bad guy comes back and does it again—and again and is given the same response— can’t call that a just peace. Any more than I could call an orgasm during a rape/sodomy good sex.


28 posted on 06/13/2013 11:56:48 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: stars & stripes forever

good reply I can only add the spawn of Ishmael have been at war with “every man” since then. If they do not have any non Muslim to fight they fight each other just because that is the way of the beast.


29 posted on 06/13/2013 12:00:55 PM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: StonyBurk

Yeah. I found it interesting they’re still so openly offended. When I think about it I remember Pope Benedict’s commentary, accurate. I’m sure we had threads. But not that big a deal.


30 posted on 06/13/2013 4:55:45 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: silverleaf

Yes, that’s it.


31 posted on 06/13/2013 4:56:29 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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