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Suspension over gun-shaped toaster pastry is now permanent mark on kidís record
dailycaller.com ^ | 6-13-2013 | Eric Owens

Posted on 06/13/2013 5:05:50 AM PDT by servo1969

This week brought more bad news for Joshua Welch, the Baltimore-area second-grader who was suspended for two days because his teacher thought he shaped a breakfast pastry into something resembling a gun.

School officials have denied an appeal to have the suspension expunged from the boy’s permanent record, reports The Baltimore Sun.

Robin Ficker, the attorney representing Welch and his family, said he will now take the matter to the Anne Arundel County school board. Under local regulations, he has 30 days to do so.

“If this school can’t educate a seven-year-old without putting him out of school, how are they going to deal with 17-year-olds?” Ficker said, according to The Sun.

Welch, who is now eight, was suspended from Park Elementary School for two days in March after he allegedly sculpted the pastry into something that maybe looked like a gun.

At the time, Welch told Baltimore FOX affiliate WBFF that his goal was to turn the prefabricated delicacy into a mountain, but that didn’t really materialize.

“It was already a rectangle. I just kept on biting it and biting it and tore off the top of it and kind of looked like a gun,” he said.

“But it wasn’t,” the boy astutely added.

In May, Ficker met with school officials in a failed attempt to have the suspension removed from Welch’s record.

On Monday, Ficker received a letter officially denying the request. The letter came from an unnamed school district official acting as an agent of Superintendent Kevin Maxwell.

The district’s reasoning is unclear. Bob Mosier, a spokesman for Anne Arundel County schools, had no comment for The Sun.

While it seems like Joshua Welch’s spring has been pretty awful, there has been a glimmer of good news. Two months after Welch was suspended, the National Rifle Association granted him a free lifetime membership (which is worth around $550). (RELATED: Boy suspended for ‘Pop-Tart Pistol’ receives NRA lifetime membership)

Also, Sen. J. B. Jennings, a Republican who represents Baltimore Harford Counties, introduced “The Reasonable School Discipline Act of 2013.” The bill, which apparently went nowhere, was designed to curb the zeal of public school officials who are tempted to suspend students for having things — or eating things — that represent guns, but aren’t actually anything like real guns.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: baltimore; banglist; democrats; govtabuse; guncontrol; joshua; kid; liberalfascism; maryland; pastry; poptart; rapeofliberty; secondamendment; welch

1 posted on 06/13/2013 5:05:50 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

“I’m sorry kid but that incident back in grade school with the pop tart ...we can’t hire you to work for the Department of Homeland Security because of it. It’s just too much of a risk”


2 posted on 06/13/2013 5:11:41 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: servo1969

A message from a resident of the communist state of Maryland :

HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


3 posted on 06/13/2013 5:11:56 AM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism & Communism are the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: servo1969

the local hardware store was selling bbq butane lighters that were shaped like scoped bolt action rifles. I bought a couple and the next time I was in there he told me that he was told they were illegal because toys should have orange tips and kids could conceivably use these as toy guns....

think I will buy out the rest of his stock.


4 posted on 06/13/2013 5:12:52 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: servo1969

If I were that boys parent, I’d sue the school hard. Then I’d pull him out of that school and home school him.

This zero tolerance crap is going way too far.


5 posted on 06/13/2013 5:13:02 AM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: servo1969
Robin always has a trick or two up his sleeve. Next ~ the principal's credit rating. This little story would be so delightful to run up against in checking somebody out to qualify for a mortgage.

Imagine this, "principal aardvark suspended a young child from school for eating a pancake into the shape of a gun, or at least it seemed that way to aardvark"

6 posted on 06/13/2013 5:16:22 AM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red STATE Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: servo1969

“Do not fear their fear [what they fear]”

Let them. I envision that it will be to the ridicule and shame, not of the lad with the mountainous pop tart that might look like a gun too, but of the system that did it.


7 posted on 06/13/2013 5:16:35 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: BCR #226

It’s education for the future. Teaching kids how to function in a police state.


8 posted on 06/13/2013 5:17:00 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: servo1969

Wear it like a badge of honor. And make sure your parents stick the taxpayers of that school district with multi million dollar court judgement as a reward for them standing back and doing nothing to stop this stupidity in its tracks. That school board and administration are dangerous animals and if the people paying their salaries won’t keep said animal on a leash then they get to pay up for the damage it does.


9 posted on 06/13/2013 5:17:56 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: BCR #226
Our school uses an on-line current events game, and a question about the boy came up during yesterdays game.

When I explained what had happen about a half a dozen kids said, "sure glad they didn't see me when I did the same thing when I was in primary school.

10 posted on 06/13/2013 5:18:45 AM PDT by mware
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To: BCR #226

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3029965/posts


11 posted on 06/13/2013 5:19:33 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: servo1969

If only the kid had joined the "Choom Gang" instead.

12 posted on 06/13/2013 5:21:36 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: servo1969
Suspension over gun-shaped toaster pastry is now permanent mark on kid’s record

It should be a badge of honor. In 15-20 years, he can proudly say: "Yeah, I was the 7 year-old kid who was persecuted by those asinine, vindictive, reactionary school ''officials.""

13 posted on 06/13/2013 5:22:19 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: servo1969

I think it is high time we pursue Gun Education instead of scaring our children for life psychologically. We live in a country that allows us to “keep and bear arms.” Let’s teach to a level that keeps our kids safe, instead of making a Constitutional Right something to be afraid of or worse as demonstrated by this loony result.

Oh...and in case you didn’t catch what I just said, let me repeat what they are doing to our children about our Constitutional Rights....

...instead of making a Constitutional Right something to be afraid of...


14 posted on 06/13/2013 5:26:55 AM PDT by EBH (The government that sits in Washington, D.C. is not the United States government.)
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To: servo1969

Time to flip the script and make “being harassed by public school authorities over non-guns” a positive. A feature, not a bug.


15 posted on 06/13/2013 5:29:06 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (It's been over 90 days; time to start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: servo1969

The parents are “fighting back” but they are still fools if if they keep their child in public school. Even it they get the terrible black mark “expunged” it will never go away, will be available for college use, and more such entries are being made in his records about his troublemaking parents. You cannot win in this sort of fight unless you can collect a a big enough bunch of damages to be able to afford to get the hell out of the state and keep the child henceforth OUT of public school anywhere.


16 posted on 06/13/2013 5:31:40 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economiws In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: servo1969

And the jackasses on Capitol Hump think that the immigration system is “broken”. Geesh. Our public schools are a mess. A bunch of clueless morons.


17 posted on 06/13/2013 5:46:36 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (23,116,441 households on Food Stamps! Now that's what I call HISTORICAL!!!)
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To: Lionheartusa1
maryland ( THE Freak state) is truly hopeless. The best thing you can do is begin planning to leave and do so as quickly as possible. I know. Been there...done that. And unlike Lot's wife...don't look back. Free at last! Thank God...Free at last!
18 posted on 06/13/2013 5:49:48 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: servo1969

It’s Baltimore——Pelosi’s Hometown. they elected Elijah Cummings.

O’Malley was Mayor there.

The guards in the jail provided dope and sex to the inmates.

Come on—does anyone really expect any common sense coming from there?


19 posted on 06/13/2013 5:52:42 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: servo1969

A 7 year old gets suspended and a permanent mark on his record for having a gun shaped pop tart, but a 13 YO will be able to get plan B without anyone batting an eye.


20 posted on 06/13/2013 5:58:57 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: arthurus

“The parents are “fighting back” but they are still fools if if they keep their child in public school.”

I know what you are saying but the focus should be on removing the administrators from the school not removing the kid. Running away leaves the problem in place to continue their indoctrination and harrassment. The administrators/teachers responsible for these idiotic decisions needed to be hounded out of their jobs.


21 posted on 06/13/2013 6:02:42 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: servo1969
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22 posted on 06/13/2013 6:15:38 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: servo1969

It’s tempting to call this madness. It isn’t. It’s fascists controlling thoughts. The USA has already become a totalitarian country. The government doesn’t have to be overtly fascist when there are dozens of institutions already doing the fascist work for it.


23 posted on 06/13/2013 6:16:21 AM PDT by I want the USA back (If I Pi$$ed off just one liberal today my mission has been accomplished.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Removing the administrators is a fool’s errand. The well i full of the same sort of administrators. It is almost the only kind there are. Principled administrators taking office are like Tea Party Republicans taking their seats. They are elected as conservatives but mostly take their seats as progressives and RNC Boehner yesmen..


24 posted on 06/13/2013 6:20:04 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economiws In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: servo1969

I think you can only buy those in the mall in Erie, PA

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Millcreek_Mall_aerial_photo,_April_2005.jpg


25 posted on 06/13/2013 6:36:54 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: arthurus

“Removing the administrators is a fool’s errand. The well i full of the same sort of administrators.”

You are advocating what got us into this situation in the first place. As soon as an organization does something we dont like we abandon it, leaving to the leftys. Even if the replacement admins have the same mindset, they still wan to keep their jobs. Seeing what happened to their predicessor will teach them what is acceptable and what is not.


26 posted on 06/13/2013 6:51:04 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: servo1969

Ah, reminds me of the days when a few irate citizens would take the principal out behind the school and educate him.

Then they would have a new principal in a few days as the original one was suddenly “called away on business”.


27 posted on 06/13/2013 6:57:13 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: servo1969

This is at least 6 kinds of stupid. No way the school district wins this in court. Well it is Maryland....


28 posted on 06/13/2013 8:11:14 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
You are advocating what got us into this situation in the first place. As soon as an organization does something we dont like we abandon it, leaving to the leftys. Even if the replacement admins have the same mindset, they still wan to keep their jobs. Seeing what happened to their predicessor will teach them what is acceptable and what is not.

I am a public school teacher in Virginia. I have been saying this since March of 2006 on this forum. Sadly there are certain extremists that want to see all of us hung from trees and have all the schools burned tomorrow.

Never mind that there are a number of us on this forum that strongly support Homeschooling, charter schools, etc.... that is not good enough for them.

29 posted on 06/13/2013 8:33:16 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga

“I am a public school teacher in Virginia. I have been saying this since March of 2006 on this forum. Sadly there are certain extremists that want to see all of us hung from trees and have all the schools burned tomorrow.”

The vast majority of families will not home school therefore the school systems will be responsible for the majority of education. Leaving the system gives the leftists free reign to indoctrinate the kids that remain. It does society little good to homeschool a few kids that then have to deal with a vast horde of new leftist voters, bureacrats, regulators, etc. We have to gain control of the mainstream education system or at least eliminate the extremists. We cant do that if we leave the field.


30 posted on 06/13/2013 8:45:09 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
There is no question of abandoning public schools to the lefties. It is 100% their turf. The whole concept of public schools with any influence beyond the local is LEFT. Local administrators cannot change things much at all without losing precious federal and state funding or crossing the unions. Much of that funding cannot legally even be refused now and a federal dollar in the local system gives the feds control of that system because bureaucrats, being bureaucrats, cannot refuse outside funding at all, ever. It is not constitutionally possible. And to maintain that funding they often have to spend 2 local $2 local for every federal dollar they get on programs that no one wants and that could be done cheaper by the locals with their own money if they wanted it in the first place. By cheaper I mean that the locals financing their own program would have to spend less money for that program than they have to spend to acquire federal funding for it which comes with federal control of it and federal requirements for everything else the locals do. My wife has been a teacher for 35+ years and we are pretty aware of the ramifications of the federal and state dollar and the habits of administrators no matter what viewpoint they profess.

You cannot reform the system, not even in your own small locality. It is inherently a socialist enterprise. If you actually care for your children then you will get them out of the public schools. We raised four and we avoided public school for them. Among professional categories the one with the highest rate of home and/or private schooling for its children is public school teachers. There is a reason for that. It is certainly true in my county.

31 posted on 06/13/2013 11:56:25 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economiws In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: verga

My wife is a public school teacher these last 36 years. We home/private schooled our four.


32 posted on 06/13/2013 11:58:38 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economiws In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: arthurus
My wife is a public school teacher these last 36 years. We home/private schooled our four.

It is good that you could afford it and had that opportunity available to you. I teach in a very rural area and a very economically disadvantaged area. for most of the families in my area neither of those is an option.

33 posted on 06/13/2013 12:23:53 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: servo1969; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; Bigg Red; ...

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


34 posted on 06/13/2013 1:04:40 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: verga

“Afford it?” Your priorities are skewed toward having that new car every two years and the like, I think. Many families hereabouts homeschool who earn less than 30k. One family in my parish has got all four of theirs trained on musical instruments along with all the academics. There is one income and it is less than 40k. They drive a 6 year old car and do not spend on big vacations. Priorities. People who think that children are ancillary send their kids to public school or, if affluent, perhaps to private school. People who think that raising their children is the highest priority do not condemn them to public school. The parochial schools here are largely populated by nonaffluent families. People who protest they cannot afford to keep their children out of public school tend to have their heads stuffed to their waists into the cloaca of credit card debt and the like - ‘stuff’ is more important than progeny.. And that big mortgage- is it really a higher priority to have a classy house than to educate your children? Is raising a dependent socialist next generation really worth the material gains you might forego in teaching them real academics and morals and principles?


35 posted on 06/13/2013 1:20:17 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economiws In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Yeah, I wonder what all of these fools thought when Obamugabe was photographed making gang signs back at some fool a while back.


36 posted on 06/13/2013 2:10:01 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: PGR88

Yeah, that will be a good story to tell in the gulag.


37 posted on 06/13/2013 2:10:52 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: Venturer

Well, where this kid goes to school is not actually Baltimore, but, apparently, the Baltimore ‘Rat infection has reached the county where he lives.


38 posted on 06/13/2013 2:13:37 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: BCR #226; All

This is the deliberate policy resulting from the Gun Free School Zone Act of 1996:

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/disastrous-gun-law-sparked-school.html


39 posted on 06/13/2013 6:32:09 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: servo1969
The district’s reasoning is unclear.

That sounds like the dictionary definition of Political Correctness.

40 posted on 06/13/2013 6:37:58 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: servo1969
Sen. J. B. Jennings, a Republican who represents Baltimore Harford Counties, introduced “The Reasonable School Discipline Act of 2013.” The bill, which apparently went nowhere, was designed to curb the zeal of public school officials...

Here it is: http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2013RS/bills/sb/sb1058f.pdf

"Referred to Education, Health, and Environmental Affairs"

Ridiculed by the Washington Post here (link goes to WaPo):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/03/12/the-unreasonable-reasonable-school-discipline-act-of-2013/

Criticized as "simplistic" (link goes to leftist NAF website) by The New America Foundation.

With enemies like that...

41 posted on 06/13/2013 9:46:41 PM PDT by TChad
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