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Teacher Fired Because Her Ex-Husband Is Abusive
Newser ^ | 06/13/2013 | By Evann Gastaldo

Posted on 06/13/2013 9:59:29 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd

(Newser) – It's bad enough that Carie Charlesworth is dealing with an abusive ex-husband—but now she's also out of a job due to the situation. After a "very bad weekend" involving her ex in January, Charlesworth warned the principal at San Diego's Holy Trinity School to watch out for him. He did indeed show up in the school parking lot, forcing a lockdown. Charlesworth was immediately put on "indefinite leave," as were her four kids, who attended the school. Despite the fact that her ex is now in jail, three months later she was fired after 14 years with the Diocese of San Diego, NBC San Diego reports.

The termination letter from the diocese notes that, though school officials "feel deeply" for Charlesworth and are praying for her, her ex has a 22-year history of documented violence and has not been deterred by restraining orders. Out of fear that he may cause problems upon his release from prison (which they note could happen as soon as "next fall"), "we simply cannot allow you to return to work [at Holy Trinity] or, unfortunately, at any other school in the diocese," the letter states, adding that Charlesworth will continue to be paid through Aug. 9. Charlesworth, who plans to file a lawsuit, says, "That's why women of domestic violence don't come forward, because they're afraid of the way people are going to see them, view them, perceive them, treat them."


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So.

Should she have been given the axe? Or were school officials being jerks?

1 posted on 06/13/2013 9:59:29 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

The husband is getting out of jail in June. If he had been locked up longer there would be no reason to dismiss her. But because her husband is unstable and therefore a threat to the school while she works there. I can see the school’s position.


2 posted on 06/13/2013 10:03:39 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Responsibility2nd

difficult situation given that there are a lot of innocent kids whose safety may be at risk. Very difficult situation.


3 posted on 06/13/2013 10:03:40 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Responsibility2nd

tacit recognition that her restraining order ain’t worth spit.


4 posted on 06/13/2013 10:03:42 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: Responsibility2nd

The fiduciary obligation of the school to protect its students is paramount to their duty to provide any given teacher with employment. Unfortunately, in California the state denies people the means to defend themselves so termination appears to be the only choice the school had.


5 posted on 06/13/2013 10:04:48 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Responsibility2nd

Wow. What a position to be in.

And like said above...restraining orders aren’t worth spit.


6 posted on 06/13/2013 10:06:21 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Responsibility2nd

The school’s first duty is to the children they serve. The teacher’s personal situation presents a threat. Her job security cannot come before that.

That said, the Catholic church should offer to arrange a secret relocation to a new diocese and teaching job, preferably with new identities.

And the twit should buy a gun, she is not safe.


7 posted on 06/13/2013 10:07:28 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I stand with the school. If the husband were to show up there with a gun or two and murdered several children the school would have been held responsible for the slaughter.


8 posted on 06/13/2013 10:07:28 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: Responsibility2nd

He did indeed show up in the school parking lot, forcing a lockdown.
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They could help her find a job out of state? Take up a collection to hire her security? But if her presence is going to draw a crazed man to the school, I don’t see how she can stay. sad, very sad.


9 posted on 06/13/2013 10:07:53 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Unfortunately, they are between a rock and a hard place.

They have a duty to protect the kids in the school. This guy has shown that he will ignore restraining orders (aka worthless pieces of paper). He therefore will also ignore any conditions of his parole. He has already tried to get at her (or the kids) at the school, and he will doubtless try again because these idiots don't give up.

The school is now on notice of this danger, and if they allowed her to continue to teach and the guy showed up again with a gun (or a bomb, or a car, or a can of gasoline) and a bunch of kids wound up dead, the school would be liable in damages for failing to protect the kids.

It's hard on her, but the school really doesn't have much of a choice.

10 posted on 06/13/2013 10:08:17 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

This one hit yesterday, my position is the same. If your life troubles are to a point where think you need to warn your boss that somebody intending to do violence might be coming that’s a good day to call in sick and handle the situation away from work. All employers advice employees to keep home troubles at home, that goes double when there’s violence. It’s unfortunate for her, and I hope she finds her way out of the situation, but the school has to get rid of her.


11 posted on 06/13/2013 10:10:53 AM PDT by discostu (Go do the voodoo that you do so well.)
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To: DannyTN
The husband is getting out of jail in June. If he had been locked up longer there would be no reason to dismiss her. But because her husband is unstable and therefore a threat to the school while she works there. I can see the school’s position.

This.

12 posted on 06/13/2013 10:11:03 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: kitkat
Correct.

Especially since they were very well-informed of the situation ahead of time.

13 posted on 06/13/2013 10:11:15 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: NonValueAdded
Yep. This is the only restraining order this woman needs.

 

14 posted on 06/13/2013 10:11:29 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Jerks.


15 posted on 06/13/2013 10:16:40 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Valpal1

Then let the school hire armed guards. It’s not her fault her ex-husband is a nutbar.

This is one of the very valid reasons for CCW on school campuses.


16 posted on 06/13/2013 10:18:04 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

Really? Why?

As you can see - you are the only one on this thread to think that.


17 posted on 06/13/2013 10:18:25 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
She should meet him at the prison output gate with a 12-gauge surprise.
18 posted on 06/13/2013 10:18:43 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Affirmative action is racial profiling.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I hope she sues the school administrators for everything they’re worth.

It’s THEIR job to protect their employees.


19 posted on 06/13/2013 10:19:43 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: autumnraine

It’s not her fault her ex-husband is a nutbar.

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Thats a big assumption. As you know most domestic violence victims often take the bum back. They perpetuate the violence.

And how generous of you to advocate the school hire armed guards to protect against a crazed man. I’m sure you will be the first to send a personal check for $5,000. That ought to cover the first month.


20 posted on 06/13/2013 10:21:11 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: RedStateRocker

No, you’re wrong. Its their job to protect the CHILDREN.

If employees (and idiot exes) pose a threat to the kiddoes - then they gotta go.


21 posted on 06/13/2013 10:22:39 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Wow so many facts missing. Angry people show up at schools all the time. Parents show up angry with staff, with each other. Does that require an automatic lockdown? Does this ex have a history of hurting children, neighbors, anyone other than this woman he is harassing? How do we know he isn’t targeting just her? Seems to me if she has a restraining order, it’s up to the school/her to call LEO if the guy shows up. There are children who go to school where one parent has a restraining order against the other,,,so those children should be pushed out of school? Why?

I think we don’t have all the facts here.


22 posted on 06/13/2013 10:28:21 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: DannyTN

The husband is getting out of jail in June.


Maybe she should take a tip from Miranda Lambert:

“Gunpowder & Lead”

County road 233, under my feet
Nothin’ on this white rock but little ole me
I’ve got two miles ‘til, he makes bail
And if I’m right we’re headed straight for hell

I’m goin’ home, gonna load my shotgun
Wait by the door and light a cigarette
If he wants a fight well now he’s got one
And he ain’t seen me crazy yet
He slapped my face and he shook me like a rag doll
Don’t that sound like a real man
I’m going to show him what a little girls are made of
Gunpowder and lead

It’s half past ten, another six pack in
And I can feel the rumble like a cold black wind
He pulls in the drive, the gravel flies
He don’t know what’s waiting here this time

I’m goin’ home, gonna load my shotgun
Wait by the door and light a cigarette
If he wants a fight well now he’s got one
And he ain’t seen me crazy yet
He slapped my face and he shook me like a rag doll
Don’t that sound like a real man
I’m going to show him what a little girls are made of
Gunpowder and lead

His fist is big but my gun’s bigger
He’ll find out when I pull the trigger

I’m goin’ home, gonna load my shotgun
Wait by the door and light a cigarette
If he wants a fight well now he’s got one
And he ain’t seen me crazy yet
He slapped my face and he shook me like a rag doll
Don’t that sound like a real man
I’m going to show him what a little girls are made of
Gunpowder and, gunpowder and lead


23 posted on 06/13/2013 10:29:22 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: austinaero
Domestic Violence Victim Fired From Teaching
24 posted on 06/13/2013 10:34:53 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Responsibility2nd

The school is completely in the wrong.


25 posted on 06/13/2013 10:35:06 AM PDT by Sloth (Rather than a lesser Evil, I voted for Goode.)
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26 posted on 06/13/2013 10:37:31 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Sloth

I agree. They coulda taken that chance that the creep wouldn’t show up again and have a shoot out on school property taking out innocent children.

/s


27 posted on 06/13/2013 10:39:36 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

We need the A-Team to come take care of this. Husband...what husband?


28 posted on 06/13/2013 10:39:41 AM PDT by Captain PJ (Are we there yet?)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Wow. Great find. Thanks for posting that. It only reinforces what our instincts were telling us.

The school was justified in letting her go.


29 posted on 06/13/2013 10:42:17 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Agree....and the guy had previously threatened the school children....so I agree with their decision.


30 posted on 06/13/2013 10:42:42 AM PDT by caww
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To: Sloth

>> The school is completely in the wrong.

Like Hell it is. The school doesn’t owe her a damn thing except for remuneration of work performed.


31 posted on 06/13/2013 10:43:57 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Responsibility2nd; autumnraine
As you can see - you are the only one on this thread to think that.

I also agree with Autumnraine. Instead of firing her for something that was not her fault, the school officials should find a way to deal with the perpetrator.

32 posted on 06/13/2013 10:45:56 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

So I guess you agree with the mentality of carefully avoiding offense to Muslims because they might kill people, while being fine with offending decent people because you know they won’t attack you. Keep bending over backwards to accommodate evil. Let me know how that works out for you.


33 posted on 06/13/2013 10:53:10 AM PDT by Sloth (Rather than a lesser Evil, I voted for Goode.)
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To: Sloth
The school is completely in the wrong.

So obviously she'll be giving back all the money that she's being paid through August 9th 2013 for not working as would you, right?

34 posted on 06/13/2013 10:54:30 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Fiji Hill
Read the letter up-thread.

This guy has had serious violence problems for 20 years, and the court system has obviously been completely unable to "deal with" him.

Please explain what the school should do to "deal with" this extremely violent man, when the courts obviously can't.

And also, incidentally, why they would not be liable to the parents of a bunch of injured or dead children when he showed up at the school with a grudge and a bomb while they were still trying to "deal with" him.

35 posted on 06/13/2013 10:55:18 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: Fiji Hill; autumnraine

By now I trust you both have seen the letter in post 26.

If you still think the school is wrong, then you probably believe the facts they presented in that letter are lies.

I can’t believe you think it was the school’s responsibility to “deal with the perpetrator”. Do you think employers should handle and deal with all their employees personal problems that they bring onto the job?

Actually - in the end they did “deal with the perpetrator”. The removed the source that brought that perp to their campus in the first place.

Good call for the Administrators.


36 posted on 06/13/2013 10:55:20 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Exactly. This woman had FOUR children with an abuser? She has some personal accountability at that point. This abusive behaviour does not just appear suddenly.

I once worked in the emergency room on night shift and saw women come in with broken faces and they went back home with the guys, repeatedly. I saw x-rays of a women who already had metal sutures in her face smile and go back home with the guy.


37 posted on 06/13/2013 10:57:42 AM PDT by rhoda_penmark
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To: Responsibility2nd

And this is a reason why. She is now unemployed in this economy, good luck finding a new job. Abuse is about control, and this district just buckled to an abuser.
Yeah, he may show up with a gun, but so may some angry parent who decides to shoot their ex over a custody issue, or some random weirdo who wants to shoot up a kindergarten.
And this school has just admitted that if someone shows up with a gun, these kids are dead meat, and the school is unable to do anything to keep them safe.


38 posted on 06/13/2013 10:57:44 AM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: chae
The difference is notice.

That makes this not a random weirdo attack, but a credible threat from a known source to the school.

Once you have notice, the school has a duty to defend its students from danger. It would be just the same if the school had notice of a defective roof or a gas leak.

39 posted on 06/13/2013 11:01:42 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: chae; rhoda_penmark

RE: Abusive Spouse.

The letter in post 26 clearly points out that this man was an abusive wife-beating POS even before he met the current wife. She knew. She knew what he was before she married him and had 4 kids with him.

And now? Now he’s raising that level of violence to a higher level involving innocent children at school.

And some FReepers are OK with this.


40 posted on 06/13/2013 11:01:46 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
She knew what he was before she married him and had 4 kids with him.

Generally speaking, I'd agree. However, you are contradicting the letter, which says "...through no fault of your own."

41 posted on 06/13/2013 11:05:17 AM PDT by Sloth (Rather than a lesser Evil, I voted for Goode.)
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To: autumnraine
It’s not her fault her ex-husband is a nutbar.

It's not about fault, it's about responsibility. Crap happens, choices have consequences, sometimes unfortunate, unfair and unpleasant ones. The duty to the students has primacy over their duty to the employee, period. This women has a responsibility to those children also, to keep them safe, even if it means quitting to avoid putting them in a dangerous situation. But she's to self centered for that. She also has a duty to her own children and to herself that she is also not accepting. You have a crazy ex, you move away, far far away on the QT, to a state that allows self defense and keep yourself and your kids safe. If I had a crazy ex, he would not have bothered me at work on Monday after a "bad weekend" because I would have killed Mr. Nutbar when he violated the restraining order. As far as I'm concerned an RO only purpose is to document your need to kill the violator.

42 posted on 06/13/2013 11:05:37 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Responsibility2nd

So if an angry parent threatens violence because his son got a bad grade or a student vows to retaliate after being expelled for fighting in a classroom, I suppose you would respond by firing the teacher involved.


43 posted on 06/13/2013 11:07:44 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill

I’m giving you an “A+” for stretching reality into a very baseless hypothetical that has little to no regard to the matter at hand.

Got any more useless arguments?


44 posted on 06/13/2013 11:23:24 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Fiji Hill

Agree.

To do otherwise is to allow the nuts of the world to control hiring/firing of anyone, anywhere.

What next, firing someone because they are a victim of any number of crimes where the victim is threatened with “I know where you live and work and I will be back if you say anything.” So, the victim has a choice: go to the police and risk reprisal from the criminal AND being fired from her job, or to remain silent and keep her job.

Seems they are punishing the wrong person here.


45 posted on 06/13/2013 11:30:09 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: AnAmericanMother

“the court system has obviously been completely unable to “deal with” him.”

Or unwilling. With the record noted in the letter, he should be UNDER the jail by now.


46 posted on 06/13/2013 11:30:56 AM PDT by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: DannyTN
But because her husband is unstable and therefore a threat to the school while she works there. I can see the school’s position.

Doesn't seem fair to me that the school is punishing her and her kids for the actions of another (her husband.) She's not forcing the school to go on lockdown when he shows up in the parking lot, he is.

47 posted on 06/13/2013 11:32:16 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Responsibility2nd

The removed the source that brought that perp to their campus in the first place.

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Gotcha. All victims of stalkers should be immediately fired from their jobs because they are responsible for their stalker’s behavior.

And let’s face it, it’s not just schools we’re talking about, it’s every workplace.

Any and all victims of domestic violence, stalking or whatever are all selfish bast%^ds for not quitting, and making the world safer for others.

You’ve not thought this all the way through, r2. This is not nearly as black and white as you’d like it to be.


48 posted on 06/13/2013 11:33:35 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
OK ...

What effective means of self defense are available to Ms. Charlesworth, Holy Trinity School, or the Diocese of San Diego?

Make sure that your answer does not involve violating any of the various laws of San Diego, of the State of California, or of the United States regarding the possession, carrying, or use of firearms or other deadly weapons. Note that your or my opinion regarding the Second Amendment to the US Constitution is irrelevant to this case.

49 posted on 06/13/2013 11:37:46 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

She would easily win a lawsuit. An employer cannot say someone else harassing an employee should mean that employee must be terminated. The employer has the unfortunate responsibility to protect their business just as much as the employee must protect themselves. The employer here is trying to cause harm to the employee every bit as much as the perp.


50 posted on 06/13/2013 11:38:23 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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