Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Grassley immigration amendment tabled (Border Enforcement)
Ted Barrett ^ | June 13th, 2013 01:05 PM ET

Posted on 06/13/2013 10:46:11 AM PDT by Red Steel

(CNN) - An amendment to the Senate's immigration reform plan that would have required strict border controls be in place before undocumented immigrants are able to begin the process that could lead to citizenship was tabled Thursday.

Democrats and a few Republicans voted 57-43 to table the measure, proposed by Republican Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa,

Democrats, who oppose the Grassley amendment because they think it sets security metrics that are not attainable

(Excerpt) Read more at politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; grassley; immigration; rinos

1 posted on 06/13/2013 10:46:11 AM PDT by Red Steel
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Red Steel

This is like Kabuki theater.


2 posted on 06/13/2013 10:50:01 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Red Steel

Yeah, why enforce the law...not like they care if the law actually WORKS!?


3 posted on 06/13/2013 10:50:01 AM PDT by Rick_Michael (We are becoming a Mediocracy: By and For the mediocre. The flock of the wise must gather.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Red Steel

This monstrosity will pass and we are so doomed.
Freegards
LEX


4 posted on 06/13/2013 10:50:49 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Red Steel
Democrats, who oppose the Grassley amendment because they think it sets security metrics that are not attainable

We built the Panama Canal. We put a man on the moon. Humans built the great wall of china with sticks, stones and wheel barrows. We extract petroleum from 50 miles below the surface of the earth.

WE CAN BUILT A WALL FROM THE GULF OF MEXICO TO THE PACIFIC OCEAN with the materials, equipment and technology that we have today. It would cost more than $22.4 billion to build a fence along the entire 1,969-mile border. That's chump change compared to the spending we are doing to support our illegal alien problem.

5 posted on 06/13/2013 10:54:45 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (If the government told us to expect rain, I'd schedule an outdoor wedding.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tenacious 1
Where do you suggest putting the fence here?

That's Mexico on the left, US on the right.

6 posted on 06/13/2013 11:03:32 AM PDT by green iguana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Tenacious 1
A fence in only good if it is manned with the intention of keeping people out.

Clearly, the U.S. Gov't has no such intention.

We are kidding ourselves to think that either Party is concerned with border security.

7 posted on 06/13/2013 11:07:47 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Red Steel

“They’re not ‘illegal aliens’ and don’t call it ‘amnesty’ !”- SOB gang members


8 posted on 06/13/2013 11:09:44 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Red Steel

“Democrats, who oppose the Grassley amendment because they think it sets security metrics that are not attainable”

More like metrics that they have no intention of attaining.


9 posted on 06/13/2013 11:09:45 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: green iguana; P-Marlowe

The first feasible location on our side of the border.

A river....fence it a thousand yards back.

A mountain...fence it in reasonable locations.

This would be a true “eminent domain” issue to create a “no man’s land.” Or, for those willing to cooperate, it could be “no man except agriculture or other such use.”


10 posted on 06/13/2013 11:10:54 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Rick_Michael

it’s like gun control. don’t enforce/pass more!~


11 posted on 06/13/2013 11:15:36 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: xzins

Are you La Raza?

A defacto handing back of territory to Mexico isn’t what most people think of when they think of border security.


12 posted on 06/13/2013 11:20:04 AM PDT by green iguana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: xzins

Looks like a good place to have a Guard House with a Sentry and live ammo. Iam thinking between that and a rotting bloating corpse of the previous fool that attempted criminal invasion it would be a deterent.


13 posted on 06/13/2013 11:21:50 AM PDT by VRWCarea51
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Red Steel

What Republicans voted against Grassley’s amendment ?


14 posted on 06/13/2013 11:22:23 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: green iguana

I think it is exactly what people think of in order to secure the border. Nobody would insist that the fence come to the last inch of American territory.

Are you La Raza?


15 posted on 06/13/2013 11:29:01 AM PDT by Piranha (We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Eric in the Ozarks

This was one big JO to the GOP voters. We will vote it out and then add amendments. The point is once the bill is on the floor, all amendments then have to pass to be added. Reid will simply ignor any he does not want or the dems have the firepower to vote down any gop amendment. Meanwhile, from here out the bill only requires a majority to pass and move over to the house. So, passage sans border security has been baked in by the very same people saying it was a principal part of it, namely Rubio. If they say they were scammed, don’t believe it, they knew what was going on all along. It was one big screw job to the public, the country and to their oath of office.


16 posted on 06/13/2013 11:32:08 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Red Steel

ENJOY READING THIS LIST OF ‘SO-CALLED’ “REPUBLICANS” who voted to KILL the Amendment....

Graham (R-SC)
Flake (R-AZ)
McCain (R-AZ)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Rubio (R-FL)


17 posted on 06/13/2013 11:34:30 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: green iguana

We can’t very well put a fence on the Mexican side of the border, can we?

And a no-man’s land is not ceding territory to anyone. In fact, it’s doing the opposite. It’s saying it’s under your sovereign control.


18 posted on 06/13/2013 11:44:48 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: VRWCarea51

Guard house with sentry is a good idea. In a military operation, you don’t put a perimeter in just any old place. You put it where it makes sense. Same with a fence. It should be across the entire border, but it should be where it makes sense and offers the best position from which to attack.


19 posted on 06/13/2013 11:47:46 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: xzins

My point was that there are some areas where a fence is not needed, Santa Elena Canyon in Big Bend National Park being one of them.

I can’t imagine going to Big Bend and being stopped short of the Rio Grande by a fence. No one gets apprehended there, because few illegally cross there. There’s no where to go.


20 posted on 06/13/2013 11:54:55 AM PDT by green iguana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: LibFreeUSA
Sooooooooo, those traitors never, ever had any intention of getting or enforcing border security! Of course, if they had, they already have the laws on hand than they need, the 1986 Simpson/Mazzoli Immigration Reform Act, that calls for border security and workplace enforcement!

Those who put forth that bill never, ever planned to enforce that bill either!

Liars, cheats and traitors. Toss them out, establish recall elections where permissible and send them out to DC to live off their huge retirement plans, that Rubio won't get to take advantage of because he hasn't "worked" at his Senate job for 6 years!

21 posted on 06/13/2013 11:55:40 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: green iguana

I may seem absolutist, but it’s necessary with these politicians. Give them the freedom to make exceptions, and they will all over the place whether needed or not.

Fence the entire thing. In fact, double fence with no man’s land in between.

JMHO


22 posted on 06/13/2013 12:02:06 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: green iguana
Where do you suggest putting the fence here?

See that ledge on the top of the right cliff? It looks real flat there. I think that spot would do nicely. Give the river to Mexico. We got plenty of em.

23 posted on 06/13/2013 12:03:20 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (If the government told us to expect rain, I'd schedule an outdoor wedding.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Piranha; green iguana

Can I be La Raza too?

I don’t want a 6’ chain link fence with some rusty razor wire on top. I want a reinforced concrete wall on a foundation with a chain link fence and razor wire 15’ inside of the concrete barrier. Between the wall and the fence is where the mines are to be set.

Of course we should include the proper signage in both English and Spanish to protect our loving trespassers telling them of the dogs, electrified fence, land mines and killer bees.


24 posted on 06/13/2013 12:12:30 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (If the government told us to expect rain, I'd schedule an outdoor wedding.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: green iguana
I can’t imagine going to Big Bend and being stopped short of the Rio Grande by a fence. No one gets apprehended there, because few illegally cross there. There’s no where to go.

....unless you have a boat and a phone. But the illegals aren't near that sophisticated are they.

25 posted on 06/13/2013 12:14:17 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (If the government told us to expect rain, I'd schedule an outdoor wedding.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Tenacious 1

I agree. The security fence in Israel has been very successful against Muslim terrorists. It is a “fence” fence in places and a concrete barrier in others depending on topography. We can use that as a model.

It is mindless chauvinism to argue against the barrier because it will not be on the last inch of US territory. That is the kind of argument a troll would make.


26 posted on 06/13/2013 12:20:31 PM PDT by Piranha (We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Tenacious 1

The only boats around there are people-powered. River-rafting is a HUGE industry there, and you’re trying to kill off the livlihood of hundreds of people. 10s of thousands of people, if you include the whole Rio Grande border.

Cell phones DO NOT work there. Maybe satellite phones, but that’s it.

You’re not from around here, are you?


27 posted on 06/13/2013 12:21:33 PM PDT by green iguana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: green iguana
You’re not from around here, are you?

Not since I rowed across the Rio Grande to live here in 1997. I got thirsty waiting for my ride.

28 posted on 06/13/2013 12:37:33 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (If the government told us to expect rain, I'd schedule an outdoor wedding.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: lexington minuteman 1775
Yes, I believe you may possibly be right...unless there's Divine intervention on the minds of our guys...it looks like they have long ago defected to the other side.
29 posted on 06/13/2013 12:39:38 PM PDT by caww
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: green iguana

Oh yes! An electric fence dead center!


30 posted on 06/13/2013 12:40:30 PM PDT by caww
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: zerosix

<.....”Sooooooooo, those traitors never, ever had any intention of getting or enforcing border security! Of course, they already have the laws”...>

Shortened your comment a bit...but we already have the laws..and you are right..if they had wanted border security they would have long ago enforced the laws already in place.

Our borders will never be secured....they’ve made that quite clear.


31 posted on 06/13/2013 12:45:32 PM PDT by caww
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Tenacious 1

I still say set an electric fence smack dab IN the river....on our side...fry them if they try to get across.


32 posted on 06/13/2013 12:47:20 PM PDT by caww
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: green iguana
This is the India-Pakistani border seen from space. With a tenth of our GDP India has erected 1,156 miles of floodlights and will eventually have built 1,269 miles of fencing...

India-Pakistan-border

across terrain far more difficult and hostile than that between here and Mexico. Am I wrong to understand that a complete fencing system has already been passed not once, but twice, and has never been finished due to purposeful underfunding? By LAW those enactments mandate completion of the too-long unfinished border barrier. Excuses of "it can't be done", like this special interest amnesty, is utter BS.

33 posted on 06/13/2013 4:32:48 PM PDT by N-R-T (NewRome Tacitus)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Red Steel

...voted 57-43 to table the measure...
**********************************
Did a Dem vote twice? ....Isn’t Kerry’s seat still empty?


34 posted on 06/13/2013 6:18:29 PM PDT by octex
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


35 posted on 06/13/2013 6:54:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: N-R-T

Don’t get me wrong about securing the border - I want it secured. I like the lighting idea. I want it manned. I don’t want people having the ability to come across illegally.

I just happen to believe that this can be accomplished without ceding territory to Mexico. If a fence can’t be put right on the border, then do something else there.

We can secure the border without taking away people’s recreation, property and livelihood.


36 posted on 06/14/2013 5:58:38 AM PDT by green iguana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson