Skip to comments.So Why Didn't NSA Catch The Tsarnaev Brothers?
Posted on 06/13/2013 4:43:22 PM PDT by raptor22
Security: With the director of national intelligence defending a program he told Congress didn't exist, the Patriot Act's author says this isn't the targeted surveillance intended and warns of losing needles in a too-big haystack.
Edward Snowden is quite possibly a traitor, but we have been caught in a Prism of our own making, outsourcing our national security to 29-year-old unstable contractors, one of nearly 500,000 employees of private firms with access to the government's most sensitive secrets.
Perhaps if we were doing the targeted surveillance envisioned by Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., when he wrote the Patriot Act, we wouldn't need so many potential security risks.
It boggles the mind that we didn't listen to the Russians when they warned about the Tsarnaev brothers in part because, well, they're the Russians. But we want to preserve the records of every housewife in Des Moines because data mining that arguably invades the privacy rights of innocent Americans might reveal something.
One person whose privacy was not invaded by U.S. intelligence was Tamerlan Tsarnaev, as he repeatedly visited the al-Qaida online magazine Inspire for its recipe "Build a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom."
The NSA's blanket surveillance did not detect Tsarnaev's interest in building the pressure cooker bombs he would use to devastating effect at the Boston Marathon. The massive databases that we are building a massive facility in Utah to store also failed to uncover the online communications that Tsarnaev had with a known Muslim extremist in Dagestan.
Sensenbrenner, who wrote and introduced the Patriot Act to Congress in 2001, says the National Security Agency overstepped its bounds by issuing the order to collect phone log records from millions of Americans.
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Because their cause was just in the opinion of the powers that be
Only one of them was a citizen, and only for a short time. Why would the NSA be spying on noncitizens, or people with connections to terrorists?
Who has time for that when all them right wingers are running around loose?
They were (are) studiously ignoring them and others like them.
Well they did stop the Hutaree.......oh, wait. LOL
Too busy looking for tea-partiers.
Because it’s not their job to catch people. That’s the FBI and now, DHS.
Because the purpose of the NSA center, as managed by Idi Amin Obama, is not security.
Somehow 12 millions ilegals know who to avoid the BP, the IRS, and the NSA.
The should teach.
Not Verizon customers? You know that is what Obama will say, and it will give him a reason to want to track EVERY phone company, if it isnt already being done
.they were not members of the Tea Party or the Patriot Guard they were Muslim we do not profile Muslims at the NSA
We really rode the Russians about them going after the Chechan muzzies.
They didn't post jihadist videos on their Facebook accounts, for example.
Or do something stupid like murder three guys they knew.
The NSA did absolutely everything they could with that one.
Better Question: Why didn’t they catch the 9/11 terrorists?
NSA was listening to bin Laden’s central command phone - for 3 years.
They tracked the known (to them) associates from Yemen to the US.
NSA monitored traffic and knew an attack was eminent.
Two of the terrorists stayed in a motel a couple of miles from NSA headquarters.
NSA had both the technological means and legal permission to stop them - and did not.
Why do they need more money, more tech and more legal authority?
BTW: NSA has had unfettered access to all communications data - phone, fax, internet - in the US for some time.
This is all in a documentary from NOVA:
I should have added that NSA listened in on conversations from the terrorist to the AQ command while they were in the US.
Because they were too busy looking for terrorists. You know. Gun-toting, bible thumping tea party patriots, especially armed veteran oath keepers.
Bingo! Jim wins a free audit from IRS, and a free orifice exam by NSA.
.... What are you talking about? ..... They DID catch them!!! .... Don't you remember the big shoot out and mayhem?
.... Of course it would have been a lot better if they caught them before they blew up all of those innocent people in Boston, But, as you know, prevention of terrorism isn't the NSA's strongest suit. Their strongest suit is similar to the IRS's strongest suit .... they are both tasked with the prevention and proliferation of Conservative causes and independent thought. You know ... destroying the same people and groups that prevent this country from developing a "One Party" political system that the Prez with a fez so desperately dreams of!
Obama didn’t want to?
Most of this information is only good after the fact. But to me it was amazing how fast that they DID catch them after getting some blurry photos of them. They just needed a reason to go after them.
In their case the reason was blowing up bombs and killing and maiming people. The bad part is that the threshold for going after someone may be lowered. Like posting some negative comment about Our Most Dear Leader.
They never fit the Profile
Mosques are exempt from NSA surveillance?
Sequester cuts, GOP fault.
They did not catch them because they were looking for us.
Tsarnaev brothers were instruments of Social Justice.
The real terrorists are at the Church of God, and Tea Party gatherings (just two examples of bitter clinging).
“Jingle bells, jingle bells...jingle all the way. Oh, jingle bells...”
They ignored the Russians who wanted to whack them.
But OUR gov’t wanted the murderers of beheaded Jews
in Waltham, MA to get off “scot-free”.
They ignored notifying the Russians.
THEN they ignored the warnings.
THEN they ignored that the terrorists had no passport.
WHAT DOES A TERRORIST NEED THESE DAYS TO GET CAUGHT???
(answer: they must impersonate an honest, responsible
Veteran or Tea Party member)
The lame exsuse I heard was they didn’t spell his name right when they conducted the search.
Yeah, that the ticket.
apparently the administrati are far more interested in intimidating and controlling Americans than they are at protecting them.
IN protecting them.
Obama’s role is to advance the muslim cause. No matter what it does to the rest of us.
Collect everything and sort it out later is not a strategy, it is stupid and unconstitutional and endangers our God-given rights. We have very little chance of taking back this government from the coalition of two parties. One that has decided that we are enemies and the other that we are idiots.
How could they not? They had a billion dollars worth of resources in the immediate area and shut down an entire city over two junior terrorist...
And a citizen had to tip them off so they could make the 2nd arrest on junior terrorist #2.
Why you playing stupid?
All this spying on, monitoring, threatening, bugging and intimidating American citizens yet these low level unsophisticated Boston Bomber Muslims are not caught by governments tax paid trillion dollar anti-terrorist apparatus, prior to the event??
Hows that work Mr. Kangel?
Did ya recall it was *government* who were providing these junior Muslim terrorist with hundreds of thousands in tax paid food stamps, gifts, prizes, school coupons and other tax paid goodies?
What's up with that Kangel?
These junior Muslim terrorist which the government welcomed into the U.S. in the first place, just set off the bombs then simply walked down the street back to their apartment.
With a billion in government/law enforcement resources, how could they not catch them as their pics were all over TV?
And especially since a citizen called the cops and told them were to look for junior terrorist #2.
The U.S. Govenrment after spending trillions spying on law abiding Americans, missed the junior Boston bomb terrorist who had to use a Walmart chicken cooker bombs.
“who says they didn’t know???”
That’s what I keep asking. There were so many indicators out there, the US Govt had to know that these guys were up to no good. So why didn’t the US do anything?
What I believe the Russians suggested is that the US authorities were running them as US agents. They got away with all that because the US thought they were OUR terrorists. When they bombed the marathon, the CIA or whoever was running them must have really needed to change their underwear!
But that explains why they were left alone and no leads from the Russians were ever followed.
NSA has been repurposed to protect the Feds from the peeps.
Agreed. The government things conservatives are a greater threat than Muslims, who routinely kill others and even each other all around the world.
-Because they were too busy collecting info on AMERICAN citizens; you know, REAL terrorists...
.... Well,, to be honest, I was attempting, apparently rather poorly, to show the absurdity of spending a gagillion dollars on spying on our own citizens while redirecting the focus of our fight against terrorists AWAY from foreign threats and refocusing the efforts on .... Conservative groups within our own borders.
...As you may recall, only a few months ago the Prez with a fez and his administration named Christian extremists along with Conservative groups as the biggest threat to the nation .... even above Muslim extremist groups such as ..... Al-Qaeda! Where the heck did they come up with that WHOPPER!!!
In the mean time the Boston Bombers went practically undetected. Heck .... even though we received multiple leads from foreign intelligence entities they were practically ignored ... go figure! It has become quite clear that the Tsarnaev Brother incident could have been easily prevented ....That is, if this administration would have spent more time focusing on ACTUAL foreign OPFOR entities rather than on the likes of friendly patriotic Christians and Conservatives .... mining for intel to be strategically used for muck raking and asset destruction of those patriots and patriotic groups.
.... In short ... the intelligence assets, as well as all of our alphabet Departments, being used to stir up trouble for Christians and Conservatives would have been much better used and money incredibly better spent if they were actually focused on GENUINE enemies of America ..... instead of mere political enemies of this Administration which they have no business doing in the first place.
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I would add this comment....which people ought to ponder over. Yes, they missed the brothers....but presently, they have their telephone numbers, and are connecting the dots to approximately a hundred or two-hundred calls they made over the past year. Every single one of those folks are being checked out completely. I’ll bet that a dozen are under constant surveillance right now, and being targeted for a future arrest.
They don’t like to stop CIA double agents.
So why can't those idiots catch just one illegal telemarketer?
The fallacy in this argument is that what was known about the bomber is unknown........ secret.
I can believe that the man was well known to those following him but the DOJ was loath to go get him because they did not have adequate evidence for an airtight conviction. They are lawyers and see all through lawer prosecutor’s eyes.
I’ll not risk my ass to prosecute unless the outcome is beyond doubt, absolutely certain. The bomb was too bad but my prosacutorial ass is safe
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Just doing the jobs Americans wouldn't do...don'tcha know.