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Rubio: We need to legalize immigrants so they can pay for border security
Washington Examiner ^ | 6/13/13 | Byron York

Posted on 06/13/2013 8:16:55 PM PDT by Nachum

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To: The Toll

We need to legalize all the illegal aliens so they can build the 1900 mile fence.

I mean you can’t possibly expect Americans to do that job.

Building the fence is just one of those many jobs that Americans refuse to do.


51 posted on 06/13/2013 9:10:38 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: volunbeer

As Rush pointed out today..

The people Rubio wants to make “legal” will make their employers lots of money.

No obama care, no benefits...

This shit has got to stop.


52 posted on 06/13/2013 9:11:05 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Nachum

Wow! I actually feel like a fool in helping to get this guy elected. I have learned a valuable lesson from this man. Never trust anyone. You played us well Marco and you will be judged one day for what you have done. Might not be in this life, but we all will be judged. Your fall from grace is going to be intense.


53 posted on 06/13/2013 9:12:08 PM PDT by marygam (I have extra ducktape for anyone who needs to wrap their head.)
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To: volunbeer

Ain’t that the truth!


54 posted on 06/13/2013 9:12:52 PM PDT by marygam (I have extra ducktape for anyone who needs to wrap their head.)
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To: DoughtyOne

[[None the less, they DO NOT belong here.]]

Beleive me I wasn’t makign hte case that they do belong here- And I’m kind of split how I feel abotu whether they shoudl be given a chance at citzenship given that they IGNORED our laws and overstayed their visas

[[We cannot bastardize our laws to accomodate the invading hoards.]]

That’s not what I was suggesting- I persionally beleive they shoudl be fined AND deported for breakign our law even if they were hard workign icitizens- I was mearely pointign out that soem illegals who are breakign our laws are infact, for them ost part, hard workign and fairly decent people- not that they shoudl be given any special privileges- they broke hte law- If we citizens break a law, we are not given special privileges- they shouldn’t be either- I only mentioend that htere are hard woerking decent folks who are illegals to make the distinction that I was not calling all imigrants lazy welfare recipients and violent criminals- Thatr’s why I put hte remark I made on side the eclipses or whwtver you call them


55 posted on 06/13/2013 9:12:56 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: pallis

“This guy has no respect for the American voters . . ..”

The Congress, and in the end the American people, have not enough respect for America as a sovereign nation with its territory delineated by defined geographic borders, internationally recognized and defended by the American people and their government, to halt a decades-long alien invasion. The putative southern land border of the U.S.A. has objective reality only for purposes of facilitating and regulating legal commercial and tourist traffic.


56 posted on 06/13/2013 9:14:49 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: CottShop
None the less, they DO NOT belong here.

No, I wasn't trying to imply you were.  I was addressing sound policy, and didn't mean to make it look like I was trying to correct you.  You and I agree here.  I understand how you could be split on this.  Still, at the end of the day, we have abide by the law.
Beleive me I wasn’t makign hte case that they do belong here- And I’m kind of split how I feel abotu whether they shoudl be given a chance at citzenship given that they IGNORED our laws and overstayed their visas

We cannot bastardize our laws to accomodate the invading hoards.

Okay, well I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, or infer that we had major disagreements.  I understand where you are coming from.  Take care.
That’s not what I was suggesting- I persionally beleive they shoudl be fined AND deported for breakign our law even if they were hard workign icitizens- I was mearely pointign out that soem illegals who are breakign our laws are infact, for them ost part, hard workign and fairly decent people- not that they shoudl be given any special privileges- they broke hte law- If we citizens break a law, we are not given special privileges- they shouldn’t be either- I only mentioend that htere are hard woerking decent folks who are illegals to make the distinction that I was not calling all imigrants lazy welfare recipients and violent criminals- Thatr’s why I put hte remark I made on side the eclipses or whwtver you call them



57 posted on 06/13/2013 9:21:03 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: Nachum

Rubio is half past pathetic at this point. I can’t bear to watch his tortured defense of the 1986 amnesty redux one more time.


58 posted on 06/13/2013 9:22:02 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Catsrus

Rubio is so invested in passing an immigration bill (any bill at this point it seems) that he has lost his objectivity, his common sense. I think he is in way over his head and doesn’t realize just how ridiculous his assertions are. Unfortunately the whole country will pay for his (and the others’) stupidity.


59 posted on 06/13/2013 9:24:12 PM PDT by Girlene (I like cats too!)
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To: Nachum

It is time for a third party. The Rep. Party is not salvageable.


60 posted on 06/13/2013 9:26:10 PM PDT by Joe Bfstplk
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To: Joe Bfstplk

Third parties always fail in our two party system. Better the conservatives control the local elections at the state level and build a base to take over the Republican party.


61 posted on 06/13/2013 9:27:31 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Enterprise

>>They will pass Amnesty - and the Murder of a great nation will begin.

...will approach completion.


62 posted on 06/13/2013 9:28:29 PM PDT by Joe Bfstplk
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To: Nachum
It ain't rocket surgery.

There will be some provision slipped in to grant some kind of hardship waiver for the ones that can't afford the fines. The waivers will be handed out by liberal political appointees and bureaucrats who don't want that fence to get built. There won't be any fence.

63 posted on 06/13/2013 9:30:12 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Nachum
Rubio: We need to legalize immigrants so they can pay for border security.

Later Rubio suggested hiring illegals as border agents.

64 posted on 06/13/2013 9:30:32 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Joe Bfstplk

The murderers of America have their rifles loaded and aimed. The passing of amnesty will be when the trigger is pulled.


65 posted on 06/13/2013 9:31:58 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Nachum

Why not just put em in chain gangs and let them build it to work off their crimes?


66 posted on 06/13/2013 9:36:20 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Catsrus

Exactly.

They supposedly came here because they were so poor. They supposedly now have low paying jobs “Americans won’t do”, many don’t pay taxes and Rubio wants us to believe they will willingly pay a fine and start paying taxes?

And that’s just the supposed hard working otherwise law abiding illegal aliens. What about the criminals, gang members and terrorists. Does Rubio really think these types will suddenly jump on the legal band wagon.

He is a fool.


67 posted on 06/13/2013 9:38:42 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Kevin in California

No but Kelly Ayotte did (RINO.NH)


68 posted on 06/13/2013 9:39:52 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: Nachum

OMG and where are these illegals going to get the money to pay their fines? Selling their food stamps maybe? The food stamps all of us taxpayers pay for?


69 posted on 06/13/2013 9:41:24 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: headstamp 2
All the border protection in the world won't stop illegal workers. Not being able to work will stop illegal workers. Requiring e-verify and penalizing those that employ illegals will stop illegal labor. I live in an area with abundant border protection, but the Border Patrol aren't allowed to pick up illegals working the farms around here.

The locals used to request "translation assistance" from BP, which was code for, we picked up a gangbanger who doesn't speak English and we want him deported please. DHS put out a policy prohibiting BP offering that assistance.

The result of this bill will be 20 million more poor welfare voters, depressed wages, and a bigger Border Patrol that isn't allowed to enforce the law.

70 posted on 06/13/2013 9:42:43 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Nachum

I heard him on Hannity the other day saying this and could not believe what I was hearing...not that I’ve agreed with a number of the things he’s said on this issue, but it at least seemed like was some logic in what he was trying to say ... then came this. It was incoherent...like he doesn’t want to admit this bill is trash and is desperately clinging onto it.

I also don’t get the logic of this “legalization” issue...as if you just pass this bill, and everyone comes forward and puts themselves on record. Why would they do that - and how would they be forced to do so? If we can’t force them onto the record now, how could we do so then - even with the “legalization” carrot dangling out there? Especially for criminals which Rubio and others claim we need to identify - what, are they just expected to voluntarily come forward and identify themselves as well? Nothing would force any of them “out of the shadows” just because a new bill is passed and signed. This whole thing makes now sense.


71 posted on 06/13/2013 9:42:54 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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“now sense” = “no sense”


72 posted on 06/13/2013 9:43:34 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Nachum

When I think about how I spoke with him face to face early in the Senate campaign before Charlie Crist jumped in and how he fooled a whole room full of people, it makes me sick!!! It’s not really like there was any kind of alternative choice with Crist in the race. He’s already switched parties. However, immigration might not have been a priority with him!


73 posted on 06/13/2013 9:49:35 PM PDT by Fran B (Love!)
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To: Nachum

Marco Rineo is in deep cover.. as Shummers snitch..
He is either stupid or a Mole..


74 posted on 06/13/2013 10:12:33 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Nachum

Of course this is absurd.


75 posted on 06/13/2013 10:19:02 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: The Toll

Many of these people just got off an airplane with a visa and then after it ran out, just stayed.


76 posted on 06/13/2013 10:21:15 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Nachum

Rubio is destined to be elected the next president...of La Raza.


77 posted on 06/13/2013 10:57:16 PM PDT by kik5150
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To: Nachum

Seems like an unreliable revenue stream to me. The incomes of so many illegals would be low enough to land them among the 47% that pay no federal income tax at all.


78 posted on 06/13/2013 11:09:12 PM PDT by Floratina
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To: Floratina; Nachum
Seems like an unreliable revenue stream to me. The incomes of so many illegals would be low enough to land them among the 47% that pay no federal income tax at all.

The illegals are, for the most part, here to take money and send it to their home countries, not invest it in our country. "Enviar dinero."

79 posted on 06/13/2013 11:13:33 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: DoughtyOne
Rubio didn't “play” us. He is a politician who finally tipped his hand and revealed what he believes in. It is our responsibility as a voter to research and observe the politics of politicians who call themselves “conservatives.” And Rubio is but one so-called Conservative politician we must keep our eyes on.
80 posted on 06/14/2013 1:45:14 AM PDT by itssme
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To: Girlene

No. Stupid people never realize how stupid they sound.
Rubio is just another hack who sees how things are going. The GOP is going to cave and now Rubio wants to be seen as supporting illegal immigrants to keep his job.
They are nothing more than whores.


81 posted on 06/14/2013 2:18:31 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Nachum
I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that we don't have a two party system now....
82 posted on 06/14/2013 3:25:29 AM PDT by Eepsy
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To: ne1410s

Exactly. Border security is one of those things that pays for itself many times over. The notions that transforming millions of low-skill illegals into citizens (eligible for benefits) will be a net plus for the taxpayer is simply idiotic.


83 posted on 06/14/2013 3:46:03 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: Nachum

The woods are full of faux conservatives who talk a good game but eventually show their true colors. Beware of new comers in conservative clothing until they have track records lasting decades. Marco seems to be one out to help “his people” rather than the country as a whole or he is stupifyingly naive.


84 posted on 06/14/2013 3:46:48 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: volunbeer
If Rubio thinks America will "make money" on amnesty he is crazy.

Or dumb, really, really dumb.

85 posted on 06/14/2013 3:49:10 AM PDT by grania
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To: Nachum

I really wonder what the NSA/Obama has on these guys. Do they really think we’re that stupid?

They want us to take all these things individually as if illegal immigration has nothing to do with unemployment or financial fraud or gangs or crime or political corruption, but they’re all part of a continuum.

Government is a monster:

http://abovethelaw.com/2013/06/horrifying-video-of-alleged-sexual-assault-while-family-court-judge-literally-looks-the-other-way/

The cop who sexually assaulted a woman (vulnerable/groomed) and then arrested her for reporting it is part of the IRS TEA Party abuse and that’s part of the Elian Gonzalez case and the Branch Davidian murders and all of it is about government abuse of power.

This has been going on for a century now and it’s finally boiling to the surface, just as we have the most liberal, brainwashed voting block in history.


86 posted on 06/14/2013 3:54:10 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Nachum

Stuff a sock in it Rubio, now take your BS, and disappear.


87 posted on 06/14/2013 3:55:30 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: headstamp 2
It's the same as "You need to PASS the Bill to see what's in it"!!

They think we are SO STUPID.....

88 posted on 06/14/2013 3:58:43 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Nachum

Rubio’s brain has been taken over by his EVIL Chief of Staff....Cesar something.


89 posted on 06/14/2013 4:00:04 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Enterprise

We DESERVE to die after KILLING 55 MILLION BABIES!


90 posted on 06/14/2013 4:01:58 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Nachum

Real Anti-Immigrant Bigotry—The real racists are not the Gringos, hombre
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21973

according to an official translation published by the Organization of American States, the Mexican constitution includes the following restrictions:

Pursuant to Article 33, “Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.”

Equal employment rights are denied to immigrants, even legal ones. Article 32: “Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable.”

Jobs for which Mexican citizenship is considered “indispensable” include, pursuant to Article 32, bans on foreigners, immigrants, and even naturalized citizens of Mexico serving as military officers, Mexican-flagged ship and airline crew, and chiefs of seaports and airports.

Article 55 denies immigrants the right to become federal lawmakers. A Mexican congressman or senator must be “a Mexican citizen by birth.”

Article 91 further stipulates that immigrants may never aspire to become cabinet officers as they are required to be Mexican by birth. Article 95 says the same about Supreme Court justices.

In accordance with Article 130, immigrants - even legal ones - may not become members of the clergy, either.

Article 27 states, “Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to acquire ownership of lands, waters, and their appurtenances, or to obtain concessions for the exploitation of mines or of waters.”

Article 11 guarantees federal protection against “undesirable aliens resident in the country.” What is more, private individuals are authorized to make citizen’s arrests.

Article 16 states, “In cases of flagrante delicto, any person may arrest the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities.”

According to Article 33, “the Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action.”


91 posted on 06/14/2013 4:45:55 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Nachum

Rubio had the advantage of an even worse primary opponent than he is. FL, like CO and so many states now, always disappoints.


92 posted on 06/14/2013 4:48:20 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Ann Archy

Even abortion was a bipartisan thing from the start, with “Republican” Harry Blackmun as the official author. Barry Goldwater, Nelson Rockefeller, John Tower, Richard Nixon were all abortion boosters early on.


93 posted on 06/14/2013 4:51:03 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Nachum

What a lame ass reason. He’s grasping at straws now.


94 posted on 06/14/2013 4:52:04 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Buy and read Ameritopia by Mark Levin!)
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To: 1010RD
This has been going on for a century now

But isn't there a book called "It Can't Happen Here"?

95 posted on 06/14/2013 4:52:48 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Nachum

Since legalizing the invading hordes will be a massive debit to the finances of the US, this is not going to work. He’s flat out lying.


96 posted on 06/14/2013 4:54:46 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: Fran B
how he fooled a whole room full of people

GA Jimmuh was good at that too; Lester Maddox, his lieutenant governor, called him the most deceitful man that he had ever met. Jody Powell said being called dishonest by Lester Maddox was like being called ugly by a frog. The American people believed in the "hope" of GA Jimmuh instead of the warning of Lester Maddox.

97 posted on 06/14/2013 4:56:41 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: thecodont
The illegals are, for the most part, here to take money and send it to their home countries, not invest it in our country. "Enviar dinero."

DING! DING! DING! We have a WINNER!

For the most part, they are hard working people, but they are NOT working hard to become or develop American attitudes and principles! They are working hard to send 80+% of their money back to their home countries - PERIOD!

This is the part that our politicians either don't see or don't WANT to see. If we offer them citizenship, there will be some that come out of the shadows - to LEGALLY get wel-fare, the others will continue to live as they already do - sending money back home and bringing America DOWN!

My mother-in-law, third generation Mexican-American, stated that the people coming here today are not interested in becoming Americans, they are interested in turning America into Mexico! And that is the BOLD FACED TRUTH of the matter!
98 posted on 06/14/2013 5:51:09 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Nachum

I looked for the “John Semmens” tag, but alas, it wasn’t satire.


99 posted on 06/14/2013 5:54:29 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Eepsy

I was about to say, our current “two party” system in much akin to an NFL team: there are two major parts (offense and defense), but trust me, if you get on the field, they are BOTH going to try to beat the crap out of you!


100 posted on 06/14/2013 5:55:07 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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