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Prince William has Indian heritage, DNA proves
PTI ^ | June 14, 2013 | PTI

Posted on 06/14/2013 7:16:26 AM PDT by James C. Bennett

LONDON: Prince William, second-in-line to the throne, will be first British king with proven Indian ancestry, DNA analysis has revealed.

The DNA analysis of saliva samples taken from the Duke of Cambridge's relatives have established a direct lineage between the 30-year-old prince and an Indian housekeeper on his mother Princess Diana's side.

It is his only non-European DNA and means he will become the first head of the Commonwealth with a clear genetic link to its most populous nation - India.

William is now likely to be encouraged to make his debut mission to India soon after the birth of his baby next month.

Researchers have uncovered the details of his lineage via a doomed relationship of William's Indian great-great-great-great-great grandmother.

Eliza Kewark was housekeeper to Prince William's great grandfather Theodore Forbes (1788-1820), a Scottish merchant who worked for the East India Company in the port town of Surat in Gujarat.

Eliza's mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) was passed on by her daughters and granddaughters directly in an unbroken line to Princess Diana and then on to Prince William and Prince Harry.

Eliza is claimed to have been Armenian, possibly because her surname is rather like the Armenian name Kevork and letters from her to Forbes have been found which contain Armenian script.

This in turn suggests a degree of Armenian cultural heritage and the possibility that her father may have been of Armenian descent.

"But we believe that all the evidence we have gathered shows that her genetic heritage through her motherline is Indian," Britains DNA, a DNA ancestry testing company, said in a release.

"Princes William and Harry carry Eliza Kewark's markers but will not pass this Indian mtDNA onto their children, as mtDNA is only passed from mother to child," it added.

Jim Wilson, a genetics expert at the University of Edinburgh and Britains DNA who carried out the tests, said that Eliza's descendants had an incredibly rare type of mtDNA, inherited only from a mother.

It has so far been recorded in only 14 other people, 13 Indian and one Nepalese.

The revelation explains why the Scottish father of Eliza's children suddenly deserted her and sent their daughter, Katherine, to Britain at the age of six


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: britain; dsj; princewilliam; royalty; uk

1 posted on 06/14/2013 7:16:26 AM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett
Shades of the Sally Hemmings hoax.
2 posted on 06/14/2013 7:20:12 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Affirmative action is racial profiling.)
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To: James C. Bennett

The poor kid is starting to look like his Dad.


3 posted on 06/14/2013 7:22:17 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’ll believe it when he gets hired to be the face of 7-11.


4 posted on 06/14/2013 7:28:20 AM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: Stormdog

Do they even have 7-Elevens in the UK?


5 posted on 06/14/2013 7:32:33 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Some people take there grammar way to seriously.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Y chromosomes are passed from father to son. mtDNA are passed from mothers to sons and daughters. The Hemmings hoax simply ignores the fact that every Jefferson male in the county had exactly the same Y chromosome. Here we have an established female lineage going back a number of generations to SOMEBODY IN INDIA, and lo and behold, it's of a type found only there.

So, if it's not that Indian it's gotta' be another Indian ~ and a female to boot!

The term "Scottish merchant in India" means "Sailor on shore leave in India" ~ lots of 'em.

6 posted on 06/14/2013 7:33:06 AM PDT by muawiyah (ui)
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To: muawiyah

From The Daily Mail, UK.

7 posted on 06/14/2013 7:34:35 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Now the fifth daughter on the twelfth night
Told the first father that things weren’t right.
“My complexion,” she said, “is much too white.”
He said, “Come here and step into the light.” He says, “Hmmm you’re right.
Let me tell second mother this has been done.”

But the second mother was with the seventh son
And they were both out on Highway 61.

Bob Dylan


8 posted on 06/14/2013 7:38:23 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: James C. Bennett
Indian housekeeper on his mother Princess Diana's side.

The British version of the uhhh..."African American" in the woodshed...

9 posted on 06/14/2013 7:48:37 AM PDT by apillar
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To: James C. Bennett
The revelation explains why the Scottish father of Eliza's children suddenly deserted her and sent their daughter, Katherine, to Britain at the age of six

This statement needs further explanation. Were they not married? Was there another wife in England? Was there any Armenian DNA found? Did the researchers look for that? What happened to the other children? So many questions....inquiring minds....

10 posted on 06/14/2013 7:48:41 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: James C. Bennett

What tribe?.............


11 posted on 06/14/2013 7:53:10 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

“Do they even have 7-Elevens in the UK?”

I don’t know. But I think it would sure play well over here.


12 posted on 06/14/2013 7:55:00 AM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Some of those historical novels of victorian England get into it. One contention is that "fatherhood" was not to be taken seriously after a second child born to the nobility. And princess Di's gene's getting influenced by a romp by some ancestor in India? Not surprising or even shocking.

All this DNA testing in a way is messing up natural selection.

13 posted on 06/14/2013 7:58:38 AM PDT by grania
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To: James C. Bennett
They need to study their 'Welsh' side of the house in more depth.

Searching for the Welsh-Hindi link

'Extraordinary' genetic make-up of north-east Wales men

Welsh people could be most ancient in UK, DNA suggests

14 posted on 06/14/2013 8:01:26 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: James C. Bennett

How about a DNA test for King Obama?


15 posted on 06/14/2013 8:03:54 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Buy and read Ameritopia by Mark Levin!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
...the Sally Hemmings hoax

I was on a cruise on which Rita Dove (Clinton's poet laureate) was a speaker. She had done a book-long poem that got into a thing about Charles Hightower, a fraudulent "black prince" who was a helluva violin player.

There's some evidence that she mentioned that not only did Jefferson go to a Charles Hightower concert while he was in France, but that Sally Hemmings was on that trip and in that audience. I don't know if that aspect is true, but I do tend to believe that Sally Hemmings did father some Jefferson children.

16 posted on 06/14/2013 8:05:24 AM PDT by grania
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To: James C. Bennett

The real question is: “How’s his German?” — the male ancestry of the “British” royal line traces to Germany with some of his ancestors speaking better German than English well into the 20th Century.


17 posted on 06/14/2013 8:05:30 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: grania

Wasn’t Jefferson himself, though.


18 posted on 06/14/2013 8:06:28 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Affirmative action is racial profiling.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Wasn't Jefferson himself, though

A frisky son or brother?

19 posted on 06/14/2013 8:08:55 AM PDT by grania
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers
Thank you and come again.


20 posted on 06/14/2013 8:10:16 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: grania

“All this DNA testing in a way is messing up natural selection.”

It also points out how ridiculous Affirmative Action is. Where does it end? Go back far enough and everybody has been wronged. Racial purity? Everybody is a cousin, some more distant than others.


21 posted on 06/14/2013 8:11:39 AM PDT by Zuse
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To: James C. Bennett

I bet there are a lot of disappointed Indians out there.


22 posted on 06/14/2013 8:14:15 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: muawiyah; E. Pluribus Unum

Not to hi-jack the thread, but ok, yes, I am. What is the Hemmings hoax?

I sort of assumed that the Hemmings descendants having the Jefferson DNA was set in stone?


23 posted on 06/14/2013 8:14:25 AM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: Red Badger

“You sure you’re not Pintinjarra tribe? “


24 posted on 06/14/2013 8:16:48 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Jesus gave us His life, His Word and His Spirit.)
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To: Theoria

Read about St. Gildas someday. He preached Ahemsa (a Jain doctrine) and came from beyond the wall (Hadrian’s Wall). There may well have been an Indian ‘mission’ there during the 6th century AD.


25 posted on 06/14/2013 8:20:20 AM PDT by muawiyah (ui)
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To: BipolarBob

No, we’re the Fukawi Tribe, mate..............


26 posted on 06/14/2013 8:24:26 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Bodleian_Girl
I sort of assumed that the Hemmings descendants having the Jefferson DNA was set in stone?

It is, the same way the JFK assassination is set in stone.

27 posted on 06/14/2013 8:32:54 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Affirmative action is racial profiling.)
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To: Theoria

Searching for the Welsh-Hindi link

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1363051/posts

BBC ^ | Monday, 14 March, 2005, 10:31 GMT | BBC

Posted on 03/15/2005 2:58:17 AM PST

A BBC journalist is urging helpful linguists to come forward to help solve a mystery - why the Hindi (India’s official language, along with English) accent has so much in common with Welsh. Sonia Mathur, a native Hindi speaker, had her interest sparked when she moved from India to work for the BBC in Wales - and found that two accents from countries 5,000 miles apart seemed to have something in common.

It has long been known that the two languages stem from Indo-European, the “mother of all languages” - but the peculiar similarities between the two accents when spoken in English are striking.

Remarkably, no-one has yet done a direct proper comparative study between the two languages to found out why this is so, says Ms Mathur.

“What I’m hoping is that if amateurs like myself - who have indulged in doing a little bit of research here and there - come forward, we can actually do proper research with professional linguists,” she told BBC World Service’s Everywoman programme.

No coincidence

Ms Mathur explained that when she moved to Wales, everyone instantly assumed she was Welsh from her accent.

“I would just answer the phone, and they would say ‘oh hello, which part of Wales are you from?’,” she said.

We tend to pronounce everything - all the consonants, all the vowels

Sonia Mathur “I would explain that I’m not from Wales at all - I’m from India.

“It was just hilarious each time this conversation happened.”

Her interest aroused, Ms Mathur spoke to a number of other people whose first language is Hindi.

One Hindi doctor in north Wales told her that when he answered the phone, people hearing his accent would begin talking to him in Welsh.

“I thought maybe it isn’t a coincidence, and if I dig deeper I might find something more,” Ms Mathur said.

Particular similarities between the accents are the way that both place emphasis on the last part of word, and an elongated way of speaking that pronounces all the letters of a word.

“We tend to pronounce everything - all the consonants, all the vowels,” Ms Mathur said.

“For example, if you were to pronounce ‘predominantly’, it would sound really similar in both because the ‘r’ is rolled, there is an emphasis on the ‘d’, and all the letters that are used to make the word can be heard.

“It’s just fascinating that these things happen between people who come from such varied backgrounds.”

The similarities have sometimes proved particularly tricky for actors - Pete Postlethwaite, playing an Asian criminal in the 1995 film The Usual Suspects, had his accent described by Empire magazine as “Apu from the Simpsons holidaying in Swansea”.

Proto-European language

But not only the two languages’ accents share notable common features - their vocabularies do too.

‘Apu from the Simpsons holidaying in Swansea’ or Pete Postlethwaite? Ms Mathur’s own research on basic words, such as the numbers one to 10, found that many were similar - “seven”, for example, is “saith” in Welsh, “saat” in Hindi.

“These kind of things really struck me,” she said.

“When I reached number nine they were exactly the same - it’s ‘naw’ - and I thought there had to be more to it than sheer coincidence.”

She later spoke to professor Colin Williams of Cardiff University’s School Of Welsh, who specialises in comparative languages.

He suggested that the similarities are because they come from the same mother language - the proto-European language.

“It was basically the mother language to Celtic, Latin, and Sanskrit,” Ms Mathur added.

“So basically that’s where this link originates from.”


28 posted on 06/14/2013 8:35:31 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Bodleian_Girl
Jefferson's Y-chromosome is quite widespread. In fact it has MIDDLE EASTERN ORIGINS!!!!

Odds are good that both Yassir Arafat and Jesus had that same Y-chromosome!

29 posted on 06/14/2013 8:50:55 AM PDT by muawiyah (ui)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

They have 7-elevens all over the planet.
My buddy’s son spent a semester in Denmark and he
ate there every day, as it was about the only place
he could afford.


30 posted on 06/14/2013 8:53:23 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: grania

“...Sally Hemmings did father some Jefferson children.”


Hey, now this is REALLY getting complicated!!!


31 posted on 06/14/2013 8:58:45 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: James C. Bennett; Kathy in Alaska; Ezekiel; firebrand; IronJack

You see, into the gulf that separated this unfortunate couple...there was a coachman on the estate, a gay dog. A great hand with horses and ladies.

- A coachman?

- Yes. A man who drives horses.

- I know what a coachman is.

- They called him "Handsome Harry."

- Handsome Harry?

- Shhh!

- The father of the girl on the boat.

Of course. The father of the other child. After the divorce, of course.

- But they looked exactly alike.

- We must close our minds to that fact. It brings up the dreadful, unfounded suspicion...

we must carry to our tombs, as it is utterly untenable, in both instances... need I say more?

- He did! I mean, he was!

- Shhh! Do you want to bring the walls tumbling down about our ears? Silence to the grave, and even beyond.

32 posted on 06/14/2013 9:43:15 AM PDT by Yehuda
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To: James C. Bennett

dot or feather?


33 posted on 06/14/2013 9:45:46 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Idiocracy is a documentary.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Well yes, Welsh and the other Celtic languages are related to the languages derived from Sanskrit—they are all Indo-European languages, descended from “Proto-Indo-European” (not “proto-European”). Some languages are more conservative in preserving old features than others. Lithuanian is thought to be the most like PIE of all the living members of the I-E family.


34 posted on 06/14/2013 10:01:14 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: MomwithHope

DNA testing on Obama.....perfect. Go for it.


35 posted on 06/14/2013 10:19:45 AM PDT by tioga
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To: Yehuda

Okay, what movie?


36 posted on 06/14/2013 10:53:45 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: PLMerite

The Lady Eve, with Barbara Stanwyck and Henry Fonda.

GREAT romantic comedy, directed by Preston Sturgess.

If you haven’t seen it, you must.


37 posted on 06/14/2013 11:52:51 AM PDT by Yehuda
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To: Verginius Rufus

IIRC, Lithuanian dictionaries use Sanskrit for etymology / word roots.


38 posted on 06/14/2013 12:05:58 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Yehuda

Thank you, I’ll give it a look.


39 posted on 06/14/2013 3:28:14 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: James C. Bennett

Umm.....who cares? People should be judged on what they are and do, not on their ancestry. We’re all descended from Adam anyway.


40 posted on 06/16/2013 7:01:44 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Stormdog

7-11’s no, but indians in corner shops are extremely common.


41 posted on 06/16/2013 7:02:21 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: T-Bird45

Traces back to many things. Everyones ancestry does. The Hanoverian connection is only valid because they are related to the previous dynasy the Stuarts (Scottish), and they in their turn to the one before, the Tudors (Welsh), and before that Plantagent (French).


42 posted on 06/16/2013 7:04:31 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: muawiyah

Wow, I did not know that.


43 posted on 06/17/2013 3:36:48 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: Vanders9

Your medical care will improve if you have a rare blood type you tell your doctor about (like VEL), an unusual liver (one of the 85 alleles not found in the other 7 billion people), and so on. We are what our genes make us and that is DIFFERENT ~ knowing your ancestors can be exceedingly important.


44 posted on 06/17/2013 8:43:34 PM PDT by muawiyah
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