Skip to comments.FBI chief Mueller says spy tactics could have stopped 9/11 attack
Posted on 06/14/2013 7:21:15 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota
The FBI has shrugged off growing congressional anxiety over its surveillance of US citizens, claiming such programs could have foiled the 9-11 terrorist attacks and would prevent "another Boston".
The FBI director, Robert Mueller, also revealed that US authorities would be taking action against whistleblower Edward Snowden for revealing the extent of its activities, confirming that the FBI and department of justice were taking "all necessary steps to hold the person responsible".
But Mueller's testimony before the House judicial oversight committee brought angry responses from many congressmen, who questioned whether such surveillance was lawful and demanded to know why it had failed to prevent the Boston bombing if it were so effective.
In a frequently heated debate over balancing privacy and security, Mueller went further than other government officials in claiming that the collection of data on all American phone calls had become an essential part of counter-terrorism efforts and would make the US "exceptionally vulnerable" if watered down.
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I’m waving my BS flag.
Able Danger was already pinpointing the clowns.
The NSA could have stopped the Lincoln Assassination was well.
As well you should.
The less obvious one is: if this surveillance has prevented "dozens" of other attacks, as they say - where is the evidence?
Was anyone arrested? Was anyone convicted?
I find it hard to beleive that dozens of secret investigations and secret trials and secret convictions have been conducted without someone clamoring to take credit.
Mueller was told by the Russians to take out the
Boston terrorists .. or they would.
But no, they were protected after killing three Jews
in Massachusetts by beheading.
And then after Mueller would not notify the Russians
the bad actors had returned to Dagestan, they
were welcomed back to the USA without passports.
Why the special-’no problem, go right on through’-Whitey Bulger
treatment for the Boston terrorists?
WHEN WILL THE TREASON AGAINST THE US CONSTITUTION END?
An arsonist set 18 fires in Colorado Springs last year before last years big fire and this year there is an even bigger fire that is under criminal investigation. There have been several large chemical plant disasters lately. Why can’t these big data big money agencies stop these things? Maybe they should add Muslims to the investigation.
Secure borders, better screening of individuals who wish to enter our country, and honest recognition of who our enemies are also could have prevented the 9/11 attack.
Robert Muller is, I thought until I witnessed his embarrassing testimony, a better man than Obama. Playing the good soldier to Obama is tantamount to throwing American citizens under the bus.
So could frequent door-to-door searches with battering rams. Do we want those? If all passengers had been forced to wear straight jackets and chained to their seats, that would have stopped 9/11 too.
Came here to make that exact point.
Jamie Gorelick’s “wall of separation” kept Able Danger info from leading to foiling the 9/11 plot. Some of us think this was done on purpose. Not in a “Truther” sense as most have come to think, but something far more nefarious. Knowingly allowing a plot to continue for political gain...
Able Danger according to congress was unaware of 9-11 Mohamed Atta.
In December 2006, a sixteen-month investigation by the US Senate Intelligence Committee concluded “Able Danger did not identify Mohamed Atta or any other 9/11 hijacker at any time prior to September 11, 2001,” and dismissed other assertions that have fueled 9/11 conspiracy theories.
I may be a minority of one but I am beginning to wonder if we would not be better off without all this security. Is the lost of our freedom worth it?
First, life is risky. Anyone of us could die in an accident each time we get in our car and go somewhere. We could die as a spectator at a sporting event. We could die by slipping in the shower... or, well you get the idea.
The bottom line is life is risky, and dangerous. Every time the government attempts to make us safe,we in fact loose a part of our freedom (at minimum to make the choice to do something that may harm us).
But my point is just where on the risk level is being hurt or killed by a terrorist? I do not have the numbers, but I would safely say more Americans have died in automobile accidents since 9/11 then in terrorist attacks.
Yet, the government, in the name of making us safe whats us to give up our privacy, give up our freedom, give up on being able to move about the nation freely (without leaving a paper trail and crossing armed check points).
As others have pointed out, terrorist have been able to attack kill and wounded Americans even with all these safeguards.
If I was a cynical person I would believe that all of these efforts to make us “safe” really has nothing to do with keeping us safe, but a lot to do with the government trying to control us.
I really believe that the older brother was an asset thru his uncle and he went rouge.Also, I have no doubt the government knew who Hasan was communicating with. They were
only hoping he was play acting jihad.They were afraid to bring charges against a muslim army officer.
We have enough problems with needing to stabilize the population of the US who are citizens. The answer isn't more spying on us, it's not allowing any more than absolutely new residents until we recover. That and getting as many non-citizens out of the US as possible. Don't our US Senators and the HOR get it? We cannont stabilize as a nation unless we cut down the size of our population, and figure out a way to make millions of disfranchised US citizens productive and responsible members of their communities.
Well it seems to have stopped all of those attacks by the right-wing conservative Christians. Not one of them has taken place since Big Brother started watching.
This comment is so stupid it defies all logic! It couldn't stop 'Boston' just 2 months ago but it will stop the next one. What idiocy!
Also, the government claims it can't track down phone spammers who regularly violate telemarketing laws, but the NSA spy data certainly would expose them instantly.
Funny how Mr. Mueller says the spying could have stopped the 9/11 attack, but fails to mention all the other cases where by his own test the spying should have stopped an attack or allowed the government to enforce laws it says it can't enforce.
Drips with irony doesn’t it.
“according to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter.” with him running the committee that investigated it, it may become the new “single bullet” of the JFK assassination.
What a lying POS.
The FBI had the “20th Hijacker’s” laptop in their custody, but refused to look inside it, where the entire 9-11 plot was revealed.
As usual, pro-muslim PC overruled common sense.
Mark Levin destroyed this BS last night.
What an asinine remark. Cutting off your leg can solve an infection that has been ignored for too long too.
This guy is an out and out liar like the rest of them.
Some border security would have helped too. We’re allowing too many Muslims into the country. Eliminate Muslims and you eliminate almost all domestic terrorism.
When Clinton learned Able Danger worked by working out patterns to terrorist attacks to stop future terrorist attacks, the same way they work out patterns to stop a serial killer, Clinton ended Able Danger.
The terrorist attacks are following the Weather Underground playbook.
There is a pattern to the news stories prior to the terrorist attacks and the spin to the news after the attacks and it’s Hillary that is orchestrating the news for the attacks and the spin after the attacks.
Sorry, Mr. Mueller, you don’t seem to know what you’re talking about. Your spying specifically EXCLUDES Muslim mosques...
So would enforcing visa laws. So would profiling murderous muslime ba—ards at airports and other locales. So would a commitment to bombing these barbarians back to their caves.
In other words, there are LEGAL and acceptable ways to prevent these acts. Ways that don’t demand the sacrifice of liberty or wholesale disregard for the Constitution.
Which is why the obama administration has not even considered them.
Gorelick’s “wall” was put in place to thwart investigation into the ‘96 Clinton campaign getting $$$ from the ChiComs. The 9/11 attacks were an unintended consequence of her construct.
After listening to Mueller’s multiple grillings yesterday it’s apparent the man has no concept of what is going on within the FBI.
He doesn’t know who is leading particular investigations, the size or scope of the investigations or what has been accomplished. He only knows that a couple months prior to the Boston bombings the FBI went into a few mosques as a part of the FBI’s Outreach program.
How does he know they could stop anything? According to his own testimony he knows nothing. This guy is the intelligence community’s version of Seargent Schultz.
But let him and others continue to violate our constitutional protections and he’ll no doubt get it all figured out. ROTFL
So could immigration enforcement, common sense, and actually listening to flight school telling you these guys don’t care about the landing.
The fact that they will not secure the border tells me they are not serious about terrorism. The rest is just fluff to cover spying on us...
(from the article title) FBI chief Mueller says spy tactics could have stopped 9/11 attack .
Failure to secure borders and enforce immigration law is our greatest danger as far as I am concerned.
“I don’t know” Mueller? The same Mueller who did a great Sgt. Schultz imitation at the hearing? Yeah, I believe him. sarc/
NOT in the Muslim-in-Chief's mind...it's you white heterosexual Constitution-loving Christians that are the PROBLEM.
We can't even have Blacks arrested, because of the "disparate impact" in incarceration numbers. You can't even run Criminal Background checks on Blacks, according to Holder and the EEOC.
We've become a Nation that trashes Common Sense, and strip-searches 90-year-old grandmothers in airports, but can't have Burka-wearers touched.
Yeah, it the 9/11 attackers had been White grandmothers talking about recipes on the telephone. What a crock! The 9/11 hijackers were already in place for 3 years, and communicated with no one. They were a separate cell group operating independently, as the 9/11 commission has told us. They were here on falsified passports, had jobs, even took flying lessons here in the US. And the US policy was no profiling of Muslim Arab men between 17-49 years old, because CAIR would file a lawsuit against the US. So. no, the current spy tactics would not have stopped them. besides, Obama clearly has placed wiretapping Muslim Mosques, the breeding ground for terrorism, off limits and no racial profiling of Muslims. So the terrorists have a free ride to terrorize us
The less obvious one is: if this surveillance has prevented “dozens” of other attacks, as they say - where is the evidence?
They can’t tell us that because it’s top secret and it would tip off the terrorists. We’re just supposed to believe whatever they say.
Remember what EEOC stands for;
Exactly - the program didn’t stop Boston and they even had some flashing arrows pointing the bad guys out to them. The are not using the program to protect the People - they are using it to further suppress the People.
Well, it might have stopped one of those terrorist attacks if we didn’t have strict rules against spying on Muslims.
Didn’t the guy at the flying lessons place inform the FBI about the middle eastern guys that didn’t want to learn how to take off and land, and nothing was investigated?
Why didn’t it stop Benghazi 9/11?
It’s like the “millions of jobs saved by the stimulus” they claim would have been lost but can’t prove it.
These Govt THUGS are so full of it
The Facts are folks, proof is available showing the FBI,CIA,at the time refused to act on Atta,and 3 of the other terrorists 1 Full year before the attacks took place.
Go to BING,ENTER Curt Weldon,Data Mining and see the proof for yourself,Mr. Weldon was the Congressman from Pennsylvania who exposed the Project known as “Able Danger”,read it and see that they used open source information to expose these people.
If you were paying attention when Bill Clinton was President you will remember also that this Army Special Forces Program also exposed the Chinese front corporations who were stealing our military secrets AND Prominent officials who were involved with Chinese spies,one Condoleeza Rice being one.
Weldon was a bulldog on this,so much so that Bill Clinton and the entire Democrat establishment targeted him for defeat,and succeeded,ending his sixteen year career.
Read all the info,will blow your socks off,now you will know why Sandy Berger went into the National Archives and stole documents.
Why are mosques off limits?