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FBI chief Mueller says spy tactics could have stopped 9/11 attack
The Guardian ^ | 13 June 2013 | Dan Roberts

Posted on 06/14/2013 7:21:15 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota

The FBI has shrugged off growing congressional anxiety over its surveillance of US citizens, claiming such programs could have foiled the 9-11 terrorist attacks and would prevent "another Boston".

The FBI director, Robert Mueller, also revealed that US authorities would be taking action against whistleblower Edward Snowden for revealing the extent of its activities, confirming that the FBI and department of justice were taking "all necessary steps to hold the person responsible".

But Mueller's testimony before the House judicial oversight committee brought angry responses from many congressmen, who questioned whether such surveillance was lawful and demanded to know why it had failed to prevent the Boston bombing if it were so effective.

In a frequently heated debate over balancing privacy and security, Mueller went further than other government officials in claiming that the collection of data on all American phone calls had become an essential part of counter-terrorism efforts and would make the US "exceptionally vulnerable" if watered down.

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So why didn't it stop Boston? Fort Hood? Little Rock (6/1/2009)? Salt Lake City (2/13/2007)? Seattle (7/28/2006)? Denver (6/25/2006)?
1 posted on 06/14/2013 7:21:15 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota
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To: LucianOfSamasota

I’m waving my BS flag.


2 posted on 06/14/2013 7:23:31 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
Except that it's illegal to profile Mooslims.
3 posted on 06/14/2013 7:23:44 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Affirmative action is racial profiling.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
Simple commonsense could have stopped 9/11. Enforcing our immigration laws could have stopped it.

Able Danger was already pinpointing the clowns.

The NSA could have stopped the Lincoln Assassination was well.

4 posted on 06/14/2013 7:24:03 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: tgusa

As well you should.


5 posted on 06/14/2013 7:24:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
That's the obvious question.

The less obvious one is: if this surveillance has prevented "dozens" of other attacks, as they say - where is the evidence?

Was anyone arrested? Was anyone convicted?

I find it hard to beleive that dozens of secret investigations and secret trials and secret convictions have been conducted without someone clamoring to take credit.

6 posted on 06/14/2013 7:24:38 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Mueller was told by the Russians to take out the
Boston terrorists .. or they would.
But no, they were protected after killing three Jews
in Massachusetts by beheading.
And then after Mueller would not notify the Russians
the bad actors had returned to Dagestan, they
were welcomed back to the USA without passports.

Why the special-’no problem, go right on through’-Whitey Bulger
treatment for the Boston terrorists?

WHEN WILL THE TREASON AGAINST THE US CONSTITUTION END?


7 posted on 06/14/2013 7:24:49 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: LucianOfSamasota

An arsonist set 18 fires in Colorado Springs last year before last years big fire and this year there is an even bigger fire that is under criminal investigation. There have been several large chemical plant disasters lately. Why can’t these big data big money agencies stop these things? Maybe they should add Muslims to the investigation.


8 posted on 06/14/2013 7:26:06 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Secure borders, better screening of individuals who wish to enter our country, and honest recognition of who our enemies are also could have prevented the 9/11 attack.


9 posted on 06/14/2013 7:26:33 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
would prevent "another Boston".

So why didn't it stop Boston? Fort Hood? Little Rock (6/1/2009)? Salt Lake City (2/13/2007)? Seattle (7/28/2006)? Denver (6/25/2006)?


EXACTLY! How are you gonna stop "another Boston" when it OBVIOUSLY did not stop the first one?
10 posted on 06/14/2013 7:27:12 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Robert Muller is, I thought until I witnessed his embarrassing testimony, a better man than Obama. Playing the good soldier to Obama is tantamount to throwing American citizens under the bus.


11 posted on 06/14/2013 7:27:13 AM PDT by yoe
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To: LucianOfSamasota
FBI chief Mueller says spy tactics could have stopped 9/11 attack

So could frequent door-to-door searches with battering rams. Do we want those? If all passengers had been forced to wear straight jackets and chained to their seats, that would have stopped 9/11 too.

12 posted on 06/14/2013 7:28:35 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Theoria

Came here to make that exact point.

Jamie Gorelick’s “wall of separation” kept Able Danger info from leading to foiling the 9/11 plot. Some of us think this was done on purpose. Not in a “Truther” sense as most have come to think, but something far more nefarious. Knowingly allowing a plot to continue for political gain...


13 posted on 06/14/2013 7:28:58 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Theoria

Able Danger according to congress was unaware of 9-11 Mohamed Atta.

In December 2006, a sixteen-month investigation by the US Senate Intelligence Committee concluded “Able Danger did not identify Mohamed Atta or any other 9/11 hijacker at any time prior to September 11, 2001,” and dismissed other assertions that have fueled 9/11 conspiracy theories.


14 posted on 06/14/2013 7:30:52 AM PDT by edcoil (When given a choice, take both.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

I may be a minority of one but I am beginning to wonder if we would not be better off without all this security. Is the lost of our freedom worth it?

First, life is risky. Anyone of us could die in an accident each time we get in our car and go somewhere. We could die as a spectator at a sporting event. We could die by slipping in the shower... or, well you get the idea.

The bottom line is life is risky, and dangerous. Every time the government attempts to make us safe,we in fact loose a part of our freedom (at minimum to make the choice to do something that may harm us).

But my point is just where on the risk level is being hurt or killed by a terrorist? I do not have the numbers, but I would safely say more Americans have died in automobile accidents since 9/11 then in terrorist attacks.

Yet, the government, in the name of making us safe whats us to give up our privacy, give up our freedom, give up on being able to move about the nation freely (without leaving a paper trail and crossing armed check points).

As others have pointed out, terrorist have been able to attack kill and wounded Americans even with all these safeguards.

If I was a cynical person I would believe that all of these efforts to make us “safe” really has nothing to do with keeping us safe, but a lot to do with the government trying to control us.


15 posted on 06/14/2013 7:31:38 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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To: edcoil
'according to congress'

Wonderful punchline.

16 posted on 06/14/2013 7:32:37 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: Diogenesis

I really believe that the older brother was an asset thru his uncle and he went rouge.Also, I have no doubt the government knew who Hasan was communicating with. They were
only hoping he was play acting jihad.They were afraid to bring charges against a muslim army officer.


17 posted on 06/14/2013 7:33:41 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: LucianOfSamasota
I get SO SICK OF THIS. Every one of the 911 bombers was in the country overstaying their visas. The Chechnyan bombers should not have been allowed in the US....no one from the nutcase repbulics should. The terrorist wannabee they stopped is an "Afghani legally residing in the US. Huh? Why would any country want Afghani residents?

We have enough problems with needing to stabilize the population of the US who are citizens. The answer isn't more spying on us, it's not allowing any more than absolutely new residents until we recover. That and getting as many non-citizens out of the US as possible. Don't our US Senators and the HOR get it? We cannont stabilize as a nation unless we cut down the size of our population, and figure out a way to make millions of disfranchised US citizens productive and responsible members of their communities.

18 posted on 06/14/2013 7:33:55 AM PDT by grania
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Well it seems to have stopped all of those attacks by the right-wing conservative Christians. Not one of them has taken place since Big Brother started watching.


19 posted on 06/14/2013 7:34:06 AM PDT by henkster (The 0bama regime isn't a train wreck, it's a B 17 raid on the rail yard.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
claiming such programs could have foiled the 9-11 terrorist attacks and would prevent "another Boston".

This comment is so stupid it defies all logic! It couldn't stop 'Boston' just 2 months ago but it will stop the next one. What idiocy!

20 posted on 06/14/2013 7:34:49 AM PDT by pgkdan (Some taglines never go away....)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
And the NSA surveillance could also identify almost every illegal alien in the country, as well as those who employ them.

Also, the government claims it can't track down phone spammers who regularly violate telemarketing laws, but the NSA spy data certainly would expose them instantly.

Funny how Mr. Mueller says the spying could have stopped the 9/11 attack, but fails to mention all the other cases where by his own test the spying should have stopped an attack or allowed the government to enforce laws it says it can't enforce.

21 posted on 06/14/2013 7:34:50 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Theoria

Drips with irony doesn’t it.

“according to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter.” with him running the committee that investigated it, it may become the new “single bullet” of the JFK assassination.


22 posted on 06/14/2013 7:36:08 AM PDT by edcoil (When given a choice, take both.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

What a lying POS.

The FBI had the “20th Hijacker’s” laptop in their custody, but refused to look inside it, where the entire 9-11 plot was revealed.

As usual, pro-muslim PC overruled common sense.


23 posted on 06/14/2013 7:36:55 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Mark Levin destroyed this BS last night.


24 posted on 06/14/2013 7:37:21 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

What an asinine remark. Cutting off your leg can solve an infection that has been ignored for too long too.


25 posted on 06/14/2013 7:38:13 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

This guy is an out and out liar like the rest of them.


26 posted on 06/14/2013 7:39:16 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Some border security would have helped too. We’re allowing too many Muslims into the country. Eliminate Muslims and you eliminate almost all domestic terrorism.


27 posted on 06/14/2013 7:39:38 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: Theoria

When Clinton learned Able Danger worked by working out patterns to terrorist attacks to stop future terrorist attacks, the same way they work out patterns to stop a serial killer, Clinton ended Able Danger.

The terrorist attacks are following the Weather Underground playbook.

There is a pattern to the news stories prior to the terrorist attacks and the spin to the news after the attacks and it’s Hillary that is orchestrating the news for the attacks and the spin after the attacks.


28 posted on 06/14/2013 7:39:50 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Sorry, Mr. Mueller, you don’t seem to know what you’re talking about. Your spying specifically EXCLUDES Muslim mosques...


29 posted on 06/14/2013 7:39:52 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

So would enforcing visa laws. So would profiling murderous muslime ba—ards at airports and other locales. So would a commitment to bombing these barbarians back to their caves.

In other words, there are LEGAL and acceptable ways to prevent these acts. Ways that don’t demand the sacrifice of liberty or wholesale disregard for the Constitution.

Which is why the obama administration has not even considered them.


30 posted on 06/14/2013 7:46:28 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Dead Corpse

Gorelick’s “wall” was put in place to thwart investigation into the ‘96 Clinton campaign getting $$$ from the ChiComs. The 9/11 attacks were an unintended consequence of her construct.


31 posted on 06/14/2013 7:46:36 AM PDT by Roccus (ABLE DANGER????.......What's an ABLE DANGER????)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

After listening to Mueller’s multiple grillings yesterday it’s apparent the man has no concept of what is going on within the FBI.

He doesn’t know who is leading particular investigations, the size or scope of the investigations or what has been accomplished. He only knows that a couple months prior to the Boston bombings the FBI went into a few mosques as a part of the FBI’s Outreach program.

How does he know they could stop anything? According to his own testimony he knows nothing. This guy is the intelligence community’s version of Seargent Schultz.

But let him and others continue to violate our constitutional protections and he’ll no doubt get it all figured out. ROTFL


32 posted on 06/14/2013 7:46:37 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: LucianOfSamasota

So could immigration enforcement, common sense, and actually listening to flight school telling you these guys don’t care about the landing.


33 posted on 06/14/2013 7:47:13 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Exactly.


34 posted on 06/14/2013 7:51:09 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: WayneS

The fact that they will not secure the border tells me they are not serious about terrorism. The rest is just fluff to cover spying on us...


35 posted on 06/14/2013 7:52:59 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Eric in the Ozarks ~:" Sorry, Mr. Mueller, you don’t seem to know what you’re talking about. Your spying specifically EXCLUDES Muslim mosques..."

(from the article title) FBI chief Mueller says spy tactics could have stopped 9/11 attack .

When you are looking in ALL the wrong places , you will never find the perp !


36 posted on 06/14/2013 7:54:10 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: grania

Failure to secure borders and enforce immigration law is our greatest danger as far as I am concerned.


37 posted on 06/14/2013 7:55:28 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

“I don’t know” Mueller? The same Mueller who did a great Sgt. Schultz imitation at the hearing? Yeah, I believe him. sarc/


38 posted on 06/14/2013 7:57:26 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Cowboy Bob
"Eliminate Muslims and you eliminate almost all domestic terrorism"

NOT in the Muslim-in-Chief's mind...it's you white heterosexual Constitution-loving Christians that are the PROBLEM.

We can't even have Blacks arrested, because of the "disparate impact" in incarceration numbers. You can't even run Criminal Background checks on Blacks, according to Holder and the EEOC.

We've become a Nation that trashes Common Sense, and strip-searches 90-year-old grandmothers in airports, but can't have Burka-wearers touched.

39 posted on 06/14/2013 7:58:38 AM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Yeah, it the 9/11 attackers had been White grandmothers talking about recipes on the telephone. What a crock! The 9/11 hijackers were already in place for 3 years, and communicated with no one. They were a separate cell group operating independently, as the 9/11 commission has told us. They were here on falsified passports, had jobs, even took flying lessons here in the US. And the US policy was no profiling of Muslim Arab men between 17-49 years old, because CAIR would file a lawsuit against the US. So. no, the current spy tactics would not have stopped them. besides, Obama clearly has placed wiretapping Muslim Mosques, the breeding ground for terrorism, off limits and no racial profiling of Muslims. So the terrorists have a free ride to terrorize us


40 posted on 06/14/2013 7:59:34 AM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: wideawake

The less obvious one is: if this surveillance has prevented “dozens” of other attacks, as they say - where is the evidence?


They can’t tell us that because it’s top secret and it would tip off the terrorists. We’re just supposed to believe whatever they say.


41 posted on 06/14/2013 8:00:58 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: traditional1
You can't even run Criminal Background checks on Blacks, according to Holder and the EEOC.

Remember what EEOC stands for;

Eventual

Elimination

Of

Caucasians

42 posted on 06/14/2013 8:03:23 AM PDT by Roccus (ABLE DANGER????.......What's an ABLE DANGER????)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Exactly - the program didn’t stop Boston and they even had some flashing arrows pointing the bad guys out to them. The are not using the program to protect the People - they are using it to further suppress the People.


43 posted on 06/14/2013 8:03:28 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Well, it might have stopped one of those terrorist attacks if we didn’t have strict rules against spying on Muslims.


44 posted on 06/14/2013 8:07:25 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Didn’t the guy at the flying lessons place inform the FBI about the middle eastern guys that didn’t want to learn how to take off and land, and nothing was investigated?


45 posted on 06/14/2013 8:08:30 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Why didn’t it stop Benghazi 9/11?


46 posted on 06/14/2013 8:09:29 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: wideawake

It’s like the “millions of jobs saved by the stimulus” they claim would have been lost but can’t prove it.


47 posted on 06/14/2013 8:11:36 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Exactly!

These Govt THUGS are so full of it


48 posted on 06/14/2013 8:12:23 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave ofo attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: tgusa

The Facts are folks, proof is available showing the FBI,CIA,at the time refused to act on Atta,and 3 of the other terrorists 1 Full year before the attacks took place.
Go to BING,ENTER Curt Weldon,Data Mining and see the proof for yourself,Mr. Weldon was the Congressman from Pennsylvania who exposed the Project known as “Able Danger”,read it and see that they used open source information to expose these people.
If you were paying attention when Bill Clinton was President you will remember also that this Army Special Forces Program also exposed the Chinese front corporations who were stealing our military secrets AND Prominent officials who were involved with Chinese spies,one Condoleeza Rice being one.
Weldon was a bulldog on this,so much so that Bill Clinton and the entire Democrat establishment targeted him for defeat,and succeeded,ending his sixteen year career.
Read all the info,will blow your socks off,now you will know why Sandy Berger went into the National Archives and stole documents.


49 posted on 06/14/2013 8:22:49 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Why are mosques off limits?


50 posted on 06/14/2013 8:23:32 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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