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Texas law requiring hotels to inform guests of gun policies awaits governorís signature
Guns.Com ^ | June 14, 2013 | Jennifer Cruz

Posted on 06/14/2013 9:38:42 AM PDT by EXCH54FE

If signed into law, a Texas bill would require that hotels that restrict the possession, storage or transporting of firearms to inform guests of such policies prior to checking in, reports the Houston Business Journal.

State Rep. Ryan Guillen, as well as other supporters of House Bill 333, point out that the bill will help to avoid any confusion for concealed carry permit holders. The bill would require hotels to clearly state their firearms policy both on their website and to future guests when confirming reservations.

Failure for hotels to comply with the proposed law would result in a misdemeanor, punishable by up to a $100 fine.

HB 333 passed through both the House and the Senate last month and was sent to Texas Gov. Rick Perry to be signed. So far a total of 15 pro-gun bills have passed during this session, which apparently is a record number according to the Texas GOP.

Perry has until June 16 to veto the bill if he wishes, which is unlikely. The governor has vetoed only two bills this legislative session, the fewest since he has been in office. In addition, not a single piece of gun control legislation has passed in Texas during this session, which has included proposed restrictions for private firearm sales at gun shows, magazine bans and requiring drug testing for concealed handgun license applicants.

As one business owner in Arkansas, recently pointed out, “You either allow it or you don’t.” By making your firearms policy clear to potential customers, it not only encourages safe practices, but it helps customers to make better decisions on where to vote with their pocketbooks. And in the mostly gun-friendly Lone Star State, a hotel which publically announces that they do not allow firearms, will likely end up losing business, which could – or could not – be part of the motivation behind the proposed legislation.

Of course, if you are unsure about gun policies, you could always do what one man did while traveling to New York and go for the option – albeit, a bad one – of storing your firearm in the couch cushion of the hotel lobby.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; gunlaws; secondamendment
I wish other States would follow and pass this type of law.
1 posted on 06/14/2013 9:38:42 AM PDT by EXCH54FE
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To: EXCH54FE

Works for me.

I’ll respect their private property rights by taking my business elsewhere.


2 posted on 06/14/2013 9:39:53 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I’m against the government REQUIRING anything like this of small business. Gun rights or not.


3 posted on 06/14/2013 10:02:25 AM PDT by conservaterian (Time for a CONSERVATIVE party, but no, if we do that the libs will win !)
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To: EXCH54FE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKtFvCvmrFE


4 posted on 06/14/2013 10:03:49 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (NO MORE IRS!)
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To: conservaterian

Trouble is the hotels don’t communicate it. So if you reserve a room and get there only to find out they won’t allow you to keep your gun on premises then you lose your room and have to find another. The hotel would also keep your money.

If you stay anyway then you could be charged with armed trespass, usually a felony.


5 posted on 06/14/2013 10:12:02 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: EXCH54FE

If the lodging business owner does not wish to ensure the safety of its guests, and does not feel that any lawsuits may come from this, then let them!

Me? I’ll take my money elsewhere.


6 posted on 06/14/2013 10:15:29 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: driftdiver
So if you reserve a room and get there only to find out they won’t allow you to keep your gun on premises then you lose your room and have to find another.

Perhaps, it's me but, it's a concealed weapon for a reason. Unless they have metal detectors on the room doors, how will they know?

7 posted on 06/14/2013 10:21:11 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage

They’ll know if the housekeeper comes in the room and sees it. They’d also know if you had to use it.

So even if you used it legally, the fact you were committing armed trespass at the time would certainly complicate your defense against ‘Trayvon’ and Rev Jackson.


8 posted on 06/14/2013 10:24:12 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: EXCH54FE

This sounds to me like another government solution to a non-problem and I would rather they stay out of it. I prefer having to enquire about hotel policies when booking a room to having the government stick its nose into private transactions.


9 posted on 06/14/2013 10:26:44 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: driftdiver
They’ll know if the housekeeper comes in the room and sees it.

It certainly wouldn't be out in the open.

They’d also know if you had to use it.

In which case, I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6, as the saying goes.

My thinking is only if I arrived at the hotel not knowing their policy. Had I known beforehand, I would definitely take my business elsewhere.

10 posted on 06/14/2013 10:29:26 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: EXCH54FE

Just make sure you avoid the “gun free zone” hotels like the plague. Crime will rates predictably soar at those joints. Ringing the dinner bell for the predators...


11 posted on 06/14/2013 10:29:40 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

“This sounds to me like another government solution to a non-problem “

It’s a problem if the hotel you choose takes away your second amendment right but didn’t tell you before you made the reservation. If the hotel stayed out of your business, there wouldn’t be a problem but they are the ones who inserted themselves to take away your second amendment right. The second amendment doesn’t say hotels are exempt from following that amendment. No business has the right to take away your constitutional rights.


12 posted on 06/14/2013 10:38:11 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Now criminals will know which motels and hotels don’t have guns.


13 posted on 06/14/2013 10:38:14 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Puppage

The point is if a property owner asks you not to carry a weapon on THEIR property you should respect it. If they don’t want it then they should tell you up front.

Otherwise you are breaking the law.


14 posted on 06/14/2013 10:44:50 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: EXCH54FE

I tend to keep my concealed weapon concealed when in doubt about whether an establishment allows it. If in a hotel, I carry it in its concealed state and do not leave it in the room or store it “for safety” (how inane would that be).


15 posted on 06/14/2013 10:45:07 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: EXCH54FE

This sounds like a smart law, especially requiring notification to guests *in advance* of their making reservations.

Importantly, this covers both hotels and motels, and *maybe* tourist homes, tourist houses, tourist courts, lodging houses, inns, rooming houses and bed and breakfast establishments, which can include private homestays. These are covered by some Texas laws, but not others.

To make things more complicated, some of these other places use several reservation services, and are listed in books that in future will all need to indicate their gun policies, unless those policies are the same as state law.

(For those who travel a lot, I’ll throw in a plug for B&Bs, because often these cost a lot less and offer a lot more than even expensive hotels. A lot of them are just hobbies of people with big homes whose kids have moved out, so you are treated, in effect, as “company”.)


16 posted on 06/14/2013 10:48:04 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: EXCH54FE

in Texas, you can legally travel with a weapon in your car without needing to get a concealed carry permit. So what does a hotel think we are going to do with such tools overnight? Leave them in the car where they can be stolen from the hotel parking lot?


17 posted on 06/14/2013 10:54:17 AM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: conservaterian

I agree on one condition: the property owner takes the LEGAL responsibility of providing for my security. That’s how it was under Common Law and most tribal laws and customs, for that matter. If you post and I get hurt, the property owner is held legally responsible for denying my right to defend myself at his POB while not providing adequate protections.


18 posted on 06/14/2013 10:59:01 AM PDT by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: Marcella
It’s a problem if the hotel you choose takes away your second amendment right but didn’t tell you before you made the reservation. If the hotel stayed out of your business, there wouldn’t be a problem but they are the ones who inserted themselves to take away your second amendment right. The second amendment doesn’t say hotels are exempt from following that amendment. No business has the right to take away your constitutional rights.

While a hotel is a public accomodation, the owner still (for now) has control over certain aspects of his property. The second amendment does not prevent anyone from insisting you be unarmed on his private property so he is not taking away your rights but rather asserting his own.

I understand that hotels failing to disclose their policies can lead to frustration, financial loss, etc but I see that as a civil matter. If a hotel which fails to disclose that it will not permit you to bring a firearm onto it's property still charges you then you have every right to take up the matter in small claims court, or simply tell your CC company that any charges are illegitimate.

As we have seen time and again governmnet interference for something we like eventually gets turned on us. I for one would rather keep the gov. out and deal with the issue the way I would deal with any company that has provided a poor product or service.

19 posted on 06/14/2013 11:07:02 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: driftdiver

If I am not in my room neither is my weapon. I do not get in public pools so I always have it on me. They will never know. I will carry anywhere I don’t have to pass through a metal detector.


20 posted on 06/14/2013 11:24:23 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: EXCH54FE
Shopping in a hotel gift shop in Texas
21 posted on 06/14/2013 11:33:17 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: driftdiver

Some years ago, I had a concealed carry pistol taken from my New Orleans hotel because the maid saw it and called security. I insisted they let me have it to defend myself on the streets (I had a carry permit) and never checked it back in as they made me promise to do.

Lesson: hide it.


22 posted on 06/14/2013 11:53:21 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: EXCH54FE
The only problem I see is that the law was very specific about the form of notice that must be provided: a sign of a certain size with certain language, or a written notice.

If the hotel didn't comply with those terms, the notice was not binding. Some places are apparently happy with that, or oblivious.

After this law is passed, I expect that the lawyers will get involved in the decision, and we'll see the notices where they were never seen before.

23 posted on 06/14/2013 12:25:20 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: Oatka

Outstanding, just got to love TX.


24 posted on 06/14/2013 12:51:47 PM PDT by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416,Feisty Old Vet !!)
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