Skip to comments.Feds Say: 'Pilots Have No Rights'
Posted on 06/14/2013 12:34:00 PM PDT by CodeToad
Flying has obtained information from a law enforcement source about the federal program that detains pilots upon their arrival at their destination airports and searches their airplanes. Training for the program was conducted via an aviation drug interdiction class sponsored by HIDTA (High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area), a government organization that is a conglomerate of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to fight, as the name implies, drug traffic.
...airplanes are approached often at gunpoint and usually by local law enforcement, who detain them until the Citation lands and federal agents arrive on scene. They are then ramp checked and they have their airplanes searched.
...pilots were to be treated as though they had no right to refuse the search. What they taught law enforcement officers and agents was that all aircraft can be detained since they all fall under the . . . authority of the FAA. He continued that, this in effect gives them complete search authority of any aircraft.
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Except if they are muslim or gay airplanes...
Another victim of the WOD. How much power are we willing to give the government in order to stop people from smoking a doobie and eating Cheetos?
Because airplanes are under the jurisdiction of the FAA the pilots lose all 4th Ammendment rights according to the LEOs doing the training. Pathetic. Using this logic the Feds can.search almost anything without a warrant.
I cannot locate the Article/Section of the U.S. Constitution which states that the 4th Amendment does not restrict the powers of the FAA.
Doesn’t sound legal to me. I wonder if they have tried to use any of what they found in court?
Most likely, the Feds are looking forward to the opportunity to confiscate an airplane.
Can’t hardly wait for tsa and dhs to start doing random stops and searches on the interstates. That should be a barrel of laughs. My wife looked at me real funny when I mentioned that to her. It’s comin’. Will we have to file trip plans kinda like flight plans in the future? Obtain and pay for permits for excess CO2 emissions for the trip?
The FAA the can search an aircraft. Everyone else needs a warrant.
they don't need airplanes if they are light enough in the loafers....
Ah yes, the unbounded privileges of the War On Drugs.
Wouldn’t it be easier to call in a SWAT team to dispatch the annoying pilot?
Because of sequestration, Oboingo and crew threatened EAA to pony up $450,000 for Controllers at Oshkosh...
EAA bent over.
It won't be the 1st time, they will continue to pay the vig, like the Resturant Owner in Goodfella's IMHO.
Dangerous president set here IMHO...
“The FAA the can search an aircraft. “
But only in relation to air worthiness, not for criminal investigation for violations of laws outside the FAR.
LOL ! this is Hugh and Serious too ! LOL !!!
This would be like saying your house is connected to a street that is connected eventually to a federal highway so they can search your house.
Works for ditch>stream>creek>river>ocean. EPA has (was Army Corp of Engineers)jurisdiction over your yard.
No law enforcement officer would be searching my airplane, home, or vehicle without a warrant. If they don't have one and forcibly do so without my permission, my lawyer will make their life a living hell.
I'll let them explain it to a judge, and when he slaps them down, I'll be able to retire in style.
Why is she laughing? We already have random stops for alcohol and DNA. Trips plans? No, because Obamassiah is going to make it too expensive to drive....unles your a member o the elite in which case you will have all sorts of credits.
“my logbook, “
I’m a private pilot so that stays home. No need to have some jackass try to screw with its entries. There is just too many things they can try to screw with in there.
I’ve never been ramped checked but only the mandatory paperwork can be checked. The plane stays locked until the idiot leaves.
No, she wasn’t laughing. She was lookin’ at me funny like nutsy coco. Love them algore carbon credits.
1st time I ever flew a plane I went to Indiantown Airport where in the “pilots lounge” there was a poster stating the 10 biggest LIES you’ll ever hear in Aviation.
#1 Hi, I’m from the F.A.A. and I’m hear to help.
It’s been a long time, but I remember the Coast Guard asserting that they had the right to board and search any vessel in the navigable waters of the U.S. at any time, day or night, without warrant or consent.
No ramp check here, so far.
But like Mr. Dylan said, “ The times they are a changing.
My copy of the Constitution says nothing about allowing the Feds to run an Aviation Administration of any stripe.
Privatize it and run it like an IEEE consortium.
This jackbooted bullshite needs to end. May as well start here.
Title 14 United States Code, Section 89 cites the Coast Guard authority. I would not be surprised to see an equivalent federal aw for the F.A.A.
Yes, they do. They claim they have the right to board all vessels. I’ve always had a problem with that. They claim “safety inspection” rights.
We need an ATC but the FAA has been proving themselves for many years to be a problem.
Like the “internal passports” of the former Soviet Union, you will have to get government permission and “show your papers” to travel more than one hundred miles from your home.
FAA a problem?
EVERY damn aspect of gub mint, “has been proving themselves for many years to be a problem”.
Prior to the September 11th terrorist attacks, the Coast Guard was part of the Department of Transportation.
Now, they’re part of the Department of Homeland Security. No wonder they like to throw their weight around.
The FAA can only search and aircraft for compliance with applicable maintenance, operational limitations and flight regulations.
Damn, gay airplanes too!
The only way to stop people from growing a house plant that can be sold for more than its weight in gold is to install a 24/7 full surveillance police state.
Read my tagline.
Oh, I get it....like that 'navigable waters' thing.
I believe that is correct.