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Feds Say: 'Pilots Have No Rights'
Flying Magazine Online ^ | Jun 13, 2013 | Robert Goyer

Posted on 06/14/2013 12:34:00 PM PDT by CodeToad

Flying has obtained information from a law enforcement source about the federal program that detains pilots upon their arrival at their destination airports and searches their airplanes. Training for the program was conducted via an “aviation drug interdiction” class sponsored by HIDTA (High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area), a government organization that is a conglomerate of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to fight, as the name implies, drug traffic.

...airplanes are approached often at gunpoint and usually by local law enforcement, who detain them until the Citation lands and federal agents arrive on scene. They are then ramp checked and they have their airplanes searched.

...pilots were to be treated as though they had no right to refuse the search. “What they taught law enforcement officers and agents was that all aircraft can be detained since they all fall under the . . . authority of the FAA.” He continued that, “this in effect gives them complete search authority of any aircraft.”

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dhs; hidta; pilots; rights

1 posted on 06/14/2013 12:34:00 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: CodeToad

Except if they are muslim or gay airplanes...


2 posted on 06/14/2013 12:37:06 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: CodeToad

Another victim of the WOD. How much power are we willing to give the government in order to stop people from smoking a doobie and eating Cheetos?


3 posted on 06/14/2013 12:38:52 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: CodeToad
Feds Say: 'Pilots Have No Rights'

I think that they really mean that anyone with a job has no rights.
4 posted on 06/14/2013 12:41:09 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: lavaroise

Because airplanes are under the jurisdiction of the FAA the pilots lose all 4th Ammendment rights according to the LEOs doing the training. Pathetic. Using this logic the Feds can.search almost anything without a warrant.


5 posted on 06/14/2013 12:43:37 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: CodeToad
What they taught law enforcement officers and agents was that all aircraft can be detained since they all fall under the . . . authority of the FAA.

Interesting.

I cannot locate the Article/Section of the U.S. Constitution which states that the 4th Amendment does not restrict the powers of the FAA.

6 posted on 06/14/2013 12:43:53 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: CodeToad

Doesn’t sound legal to me. I wonder if they have tried to use any of what they found in court?


7 posted on 06/14/2013 12:44:13 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: CodeToad

Most likely, the Feds are looking forward to the opportunity to confiscate an airplane.


8 posted on 06/14/2013 12:46:09 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: Jack Black

Can’t hardly wait for tsa and dhs to start doing random stops and searches on the interstates. That should be a barrel of laughs. My wife looked at me real funny when I mentioned that to her. It’s comin’. Will we have to file trip plans kinda like flight plans in the future? Obtain and pay for permits for excess CO2 emissions for the trip?


9 posted on 06/14/2013 12:47:48 PM PDT by rktman
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To: CodeToad

The FAA the can search an aircraft. Everyone else needs a warrant.


10 posted on 06/14/2013 12:50:59 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: lavaroise
...gay airplanes...

they don't need airplanes if they are light enough in the loafers....

11 posted on 06/14/2013 12:51:46 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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Ah yes, the unbounded privileges of the War On Drugs.

Wouldn’t it be easier to call in a SWAT team to dispatch the annoying pilot?


12 posted on 06/14/2013 12:52:31 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: CodeToad; All
Worse...

Because of sequestration, Oboingo and crew threatened EAA to pony up $450,000 for Controllers at Oshkosh...

EAA bent over.

It won't be the 1st time, they will continue to pay the vig, like the Resturant Owner in Goodfella's IMHO.

Dangerous president set here IMHO...

13 posted on 06/14/2013 12:54:08 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: PhiloBedo
The FAA the can search an aircraft. Everyone else needs a warrant.

By what authority? If the FAA is a federal government agency, and the 4th Amendment specifically forbids the federal government from performing searches without a warrant, how is it that the FAA does not need a warrant? Even if there is a federal law stating that the FAA can do warrantless searches, federal laws do not trump the Constitution.
14 posted on 06/14/2013 1:02:01 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: taildragger
Dangerous president set here IMHO...

Heh, I know you meant "precedent" here, but it works better the way you wrote it!
15 posted on 06/14/2013 1:04:16 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: PhiloBedo

“The FAA the can search an aircraft. “

But only in relation to air worthiness, not for criminal investigation for violations of laws outside the FAR.


16 posted on 06/14/2013 1:04:40 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: fr_freak

LOL ! this is Hugh and Serious too ! LOL !!!


17 posted on 06/14/2013 1:05:30 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: Jack Black

This would be like saying your house is connected to a street that is connected eventually to a federal highway so they can search your house.


18 posted on 06/14/2013 1:05:53 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: CodeToad

ping


19 posted on 06/14/2013 1:07:01 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are direcFisher House' insttly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: CodeToad

Works for ditch>stream>creek>river>ocean. EPA has (was Army Corp of Engineers)jurisdiction over your yard.


20 posted on 06/14/2013 1:09:51 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: CodeToad
I never experienced a ramp check. But, if this had happened to me, that's all they would get: my logbook, registration, and pilot's license.

No law enforcement officer would be searching my airplane, home, or vehicle without a warrant. If they don't have one and forcibly do so without my permission, my lawyer will make their life a living hell.

I'll let them explain it to a judge, and when he slaps them down, I'll be able to retire in style.

21 posted on 06/14/2013 1:12:02 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: rktman

Why is she laughing? We already have random stops for alcohol and DNA. Trips plans? No, because Obamassiah is going to make it too expensive to drive....unles your a member o the elite in which case you will have all sorts of credits.


22 posted on 06/14/2013 1:12:33 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: justlurking

“my logbook, “

I’m a private pilot so that stays home. No need to have some jackass try to screw with its entries. There is just too many things they can try to screw with in there.

I’ve never been ramped checked but only the mandatory paperwork can be checked. The plane stays locked until the idiot leaves.


23 posted on 06/14/2013 1:15:31 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

No, she wasn’t laughing. She was lookin’ at me funny like nutsy coco. Love them algore carbon credits.


24 posted on 06/14/2013 1:19:30 PM PDT by rktman
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To: CodeToad

1st time I ever flew a plane I went to Indiantown Airport where in the “pilots lounge” there was a poster stating the 10 biggest LIES you’ll ever hear in Aviation.
#1 Hi, I’m from the F.A.A. and I’m hear to help.


25 posted on 06/14/2013 1:28:35 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: CodeToad

It’s been a long time, but I remember the Coast Guard asserting that they had the right to board and search any vessel in the navigable waters of the U.S. at any time, day or night, without warrant or consent.


26 posted on 06/14/2013 1:29:15 PM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: justlurking

No ramp check here, so far.
But like Mr. Dylan said, “ The times they are a changing.


27 posted on 06/14/2013 1:32:47 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: CodeToad

My copy of the Constitution says nothing about allowing the Feds to run an Aviation Administration of any stripe.

Privatize it and run it like an IEEE consortium.

This jackbooted bullshite needs to end. May as well start here.


28 posted on 06/14/2013 1:37:48 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Procyon

Title 14 United States Code, Section 89 cites the Coast Guard authority. I would not be surprised to see an equivalent federal aw for the F.A.A.


29 posted on 06/14/2013 1:38:09 PM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: Procyon

Yes, they do. They claim they have the right to board all vessels. I’ve always had a problem with that. They claim “safety inspection” rights.


30 posted on 06/14/2013 1:41:40 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Joe Boucher

We need an ATC but the FAA has been proving themselves for many years to be a problem.


31 posted on 06/14/2013 1:42:17 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: rktman

Like the “internal passports” of the former Soviet Union, you will have to get government permission and “show your papers” to travel more than one hundred miles from your home.


32 posted on 06/14/2013 1:49:36 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: CodeToad

FAA a problem?
EVERY damn aspect of gub mint, “has been proving themselves for many years to be a problem”.


33 posted on 06/14/2013 2:08:13 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Procyon

Prior to the September 11th terrorist attacks, the Coast Guard was part of the Department of Transportation.

Now, they’re part of the Department of Homeland Security. No wonder they like to throw their weight around.


34 posted on 06/14/2013 2:27:13 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 4, 2008 and November 6, 2012.....Two days that will live in infamy!)
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To: PhiloBedo
IIRC...

The FAA can only search and aircraft for compliance with applicable maintenance, operational limitations and flight regulations.

35 posted on 06/14/2013 2:28:17 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: lavaroise

Damn, gay airplanes too!


36 posted on 06/14/2013 2:41:03 PM PDT by stockpirate (F. Douglass, "A man's rights rest in three boxes: ballot box, jury box, and ammo box)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The only way to stop people from growing a house plant that can be sold for more than its weight in gold is to install a 24/7 full surveillance police state.

Hint hint


37 posted on 06/14/2013 3:07:13 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

Read my tagline.


38 posted on 06/14/2013 3:15:37 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: CodeToad
"This would be like saying...."

Oh, I get it....like that 'navigable waters' thing.

39 posted on 06/14/2013 4:35:02 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: CodeToad

I believe that is correct.


40 posted on 06/14/2013 4:48:16 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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