Skip to comments.Judge: Obama sex assault comments 'unlawful command influence'
Posted on 06/14/2013 12:45:30 PM PDT by Perdogg
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So Obama purposely corrupted the legal process in the military so the homosexual rapes could not be prosecuted.
So if a commander wants a defendant to be let off, all he has to do is perform an instance of "improper command influence"?
A better response to "improper command influence" might be to immediately transfer the commander.
The president can insist that the accused by tired or court martialed. He cannot insist that the members find the accused guilt and have him “stripped of his positions, fired, dishonorably discharged. Period”... at least not under our current system.
Not exactly. The members of the Court Martial are all under Obama's change of command. Moreover, the Convening Authority who summons the Court Martial and approves or sets aside its findings is a high ranking officer (O-6 or higher). He is especially sensitive to Obama's wishes because if he goes against them, his military career is over. Obama maintains executive power over the entire military.
In the Trayvon-Zimmerman case, the judiciary is under no such threat of influence but is completely separate from executive power.
“Could you imagine if this was Bush?”
Sounds like a good working title for a book.
Bingo. That stated..... does anyone here really think that Obama erred in his comment on this matter? Really? I think he knew exactly what he was saying... and why. Hell, he just appointed a woman as Deputy CIA Director that enjoys reading erotic fiction....PUBLICLY. His best bud, Rahm was a "friend" back at the Chicago gay bath houses. Half of his cabinet and administration are either commies, criminals or perverts of some form and fashion.
Isn’t his entire occupancy of our White House able to be summed up by that: unlawful command influence?
Good point. Does anyone think Obama has even heard of the UCMJ?
Actually a lot of this stuff is Obama’s fault. He’s the guy who wanted gays in the military and now he’s got his 20% increase in male on male sexual attacks ~ must put a smile on his face.
THAT sounds like a good title for a book, too.
Excellent point! Wonder if Zimmerman’s defense will pick up on this juicy precedent?
Agreed. Given his background in Con Law, it does look a lot like an act of intentional legal sabotage to me. And what a happy coincidence for him it fits perfectly with his long term goal of disemboweling our military.
(( ping )) the old Haditha crew.
Check this out.
Where are you getting your data on male/male rapes in the military?
Any commander who makes such comments can have this happen. In Germany back in the 1980s there was a huge matter where several convictions were overturned by the military courts of appeal because of a general officer who made comments regarding several trails in session. The soldiers were convicted and sentenced by the courts. However, If I remember right, the appeals courts said that the commanders comments influenced those officers and enlisted jury members on the trials. If a commander says he wants them convicted, jailed and kicked out of the military. That is command influence. This makes the jury members maybe afraid that if THEY don’t give the general what he WANTS, then they might suffer the consequences. Obama opened his trap here and that is command influence. So the big lawyer, who never when to law school in the first place, screwed the pooch here.
there has been quite a few links on here about it too
OBAMA’S WAR ON WOMEN??
homosexuals are now using the military to rape other men and not a damn media outlet in TV is pointing that fact out , instead they refer to the rapes on women.
now they want to prey on little boys in the scouts, we had a school bus homosexual driver also busted for trying to have sex with a boy and he also hosted a under age party last year and got away with it while giving drugs and beer to the boys
I remain convinced that DOD, from the SecDef through the SecNav and on down the line vilified the Haditha Marines pushing for convictions they hoped would satisfy Iraqi tribal leaders.
They weren’t as above board as Obama was with this statement. They did it behind closed doors.
Looks like someone is going to get a big fat IRS audit soon...
IT NOT UNLEGAL IFFEN I DO'S IT
Freudian slipe? ; )
yea that pesky commander in chief thing has many responsibilities most of which, one WHO NEVER SERVED, will never begin to comprehend and isn’t taught in any ivy league future communist of Amerika breeding ground.
I saw that earlier, Lancey. obama is a moron.
Indeed. Hopefully it will be written in English in our lifetimes, rather than in Mandarin, Russian, or Arabic, after.
Could be, xzins. The one judge did find the appearance of it in Chessani’s case.
Regarding this case, Obama needs some training in how the military justice system works since he is CIC.
Murtha was an Iraqi tribal leader? I guess I shouldn't be surprised. :o)
Doesn’t really matter. Rather than a punitive DD or a BCD, they get the “administrative” characterization of “Under Other Than Honorable”...
Still no VA benefits (or VERY minimal ones), AFAIK.
If there was money in it for Murtha, he was a tribal leader. :-)
A Pennsylvania rag head!
Next, he’ll invite the justice(s) to the next State of the Union speech, sit them front and center, then rip into their unconscionable ruling, stating how they “acted stupidly”, noting how the country will be irreprably harmed by not following his edict.
how many more trials will this idiot screw up? someone needs to put a muzzle on that man.
>>Wow, what a bitch slap to the big O.
Yeah, but with his fellow Kleoptocrat Termites busy chewing what’s left of the woodwork on Das’Kapital Hill, it’ll just slide off him and through them like crap through a goose.
Well, well. It appears our Constitutional Law Genius is really a jerk when it comes to the Constiution.
He was so brilliant in school his grades are the most closely protected secret in history.
Hey, he’s a “Professor of Constitutional law” even though he demonstrates time and time and time again he knows about as much about the constitution as Paris Hilton knows about integral calculus “Integral calculus? Is that like an Italian fashion designer? Like Ohmagawd!” It amazes me how that always seems to go right over the heads of the media, that here we have a man who claims he is a PROFESSOR of constitutional law, but REPEATEDLY demonstrates he knows absolutely NOTHING about the constitution! Has it ever occurred to them that *gasp* maybe he’s LYING? But nooooo, he is the Dear Leader and everything he says is LAW!
and now, sexual assault will be winked at, because there virtually is no punishment...
This happened long before Obamas came along...
Most rapes in the military were either not reported or not punished and the woman victim was tossed out of the service while the male rapist stayed in...
a big reason women never told...
Nothing new ...
A better response to "improper command influence" might be to immediately transfer the commander.
I don't know where you would transfer "commander" 0bama in this instance.....or Commandant of the Marine Corps, Gen Amos - what are you going to make him Commandant of the Army? or on the JCS?
How about we punish those commanders by stripping them of command and unceremoniously kick them to the curb?.
By the logic of trying these individuals anyway, we should immediately condemn Zimmerman then. I mean after all, the chief of the Executive Branch of .fedgov came out and sided against Zimmerman. Even after the police stated there was not evidence enough to arrest Zimmerman, the circus continued and was unduly influenced the point Zimmerman can't receive a fair trial.
In some of these [the military ones] cases, charges were only brought after Amos et al went on their tour throughout the Marine Corps saying he wanted individuals punished.
Not that he wanted allegations taken seriously, and the accused investigated and tried if the evidence was there......but that he wanted examples.
Same thing with 0bama.
Last I checked we still had the right to a fair trial - the least we could do is make sure the folks that defend those rights receive the same.
If someone is accused of sexual assault, the matter should be investigated and they should be tried. If guilty, declared so and severely punished. But it is a GROSS perversion of justice for the top level commanders to declare the outcome and influence the trial.
The converse to your argument is if a commander didn't like someone he could accuse the individual and then order the court martial to find them guilty......
stop for a moment and take into consideration Catholics, Jews, and Protestants were declared extremists in a recent Army briefing, or that a soldier is facing repercussion for having Tea Party bumper stickers on his car. Now put some pampered homo-loving sashaying prince in charge of a command. Your solution is to transfer him to another command he can destroy.
"It is better that ten guilty ones escape than one innocent suffer." William Blackstone
And further cherry......I'm getting beyond pissed off with your constant need to trash and slander the military. From saying they all support every last thing that comes out of 0bama's mouth to accusing the majority of being willing to turn on American citizens. Because the 100% truth and fact is the exact opposite.
In fact, at one of the Marine Corps officer schools, the students are required to participate in a Tactical Decision Game in which they are hypothetically given a subordinate unit and munitions and orders to lock down and establish a mile perimeter around a federal building in a hypothetical American city..............any student that states they would do more than secure and guard the fed building itself FAILS the event. The students are further lectured on their Constitutional OBLIGATION to REFUSE UNCONSTITUTIONAL ORDERS and to PREVENT such from happening.
But you can continue with your mental masturbation believing that we're all a bunch of jackboots waiting to rape anyone in sight ans subject the American populace.
Being a dumbass is your Constitutional Right and I won't jackboot you from it.
“A better response to “improper command influence” might be to immediately transfer the commander.”
Do we have any bases in Kenya?/s;)
I hope they do pick up on it. . .at least review it.
Wish there was some way George’s team could be notified of this precedent.