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Young free-market activist says GOP blowing it with young voters
Billings Gazette ^ | June 9, 2013 | Mike Dennison

Posted on 06/15/2013 10:03:57 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

BOZEMAN – As a 19-year-old who thinks capitalism and free markets have a natural appeal to young people, Charlie Kirk has launched his own organizing group to bring them into the conservative fold.

But Kirk says the Republican Party and free-market candidates are blowing it with youthful voters, by failing to reach out to them and ceding the organizational battleground to the forces of Obama and the left.

“We need to do an honest autopsy of what happened to the Republicans in 2012,” he told Montana Republicans on Saturday at the party’s annual state convention in Bozeman. “The other side had behavioral modeling, what I like to call the 22nd Century campaign. It was unbelievable what they were able to do.”

Superior organization

Members of the GOP audience in Bozeman audibly gasped as Kirk told the tale of two acquaintances who he thought were “potential young Republicans,” but were swayed by the other side’s superior organization.

One was a female fan of pop singer Katy Perry. The woman obtained tickets to a Perry concert after agreeing to march in a gay pride parade last year. The marchers-concert goers also had to give their contact information to an Obama campaign group.

“She went from being uninvolved in March and being a Katy Perry fan to being one of the top community organizers in Chicago for Barack Obama,” Kirk said.

The other was a Latino high school classmate from Colombia, who had talked about his support of a less intrusive government and free markets.

But when the classmate returned to school after summer last year, he was wearing a T-shirt from MoveOn.org, a prominent liberal advocacy group.

Kirk said MoveOn.Org had had a booth outside the ceremony where the classmate and his family became American citizens, spoken to them in Spanish, and invited them to community events. The friend had become an organizer for the group.

“Now, why didn’t any of the organizations on the right have a booth at that swearing-in ceremony?” Kirk said. “There was nothing from our side of the aisle. Those were two young people who were potential young Republicans, who were both scooped up by the machine that the left built.”

Turning Point USA

Kirk, who graduated from high school in the Chicago area last year, said these and other such instances helped push him to found Turning Point USA, a nonprofit group trying to educate young people about the benefits of free markets, capitalism and entrepreneurship.

In an interview Saturday, Kirk said he founded Turning Point USA in part after becoming frustrated with the Young Republicans, whom he labeled as “too bureaucratic” and unwilling to try new approaches.

Turning Point USA’s website offers a mix of student columns, videos, events and the “student debt clock,” which shows students’ share of the national debt. While Kirk is the founder of the youth-centered site, the group has several adult advisers.

Kirk also has launched himself into the world of political punditry, appearing as a guest on national news shows, commenting about the youth vote, and speaking to conservative-leaning groups around the country.

Kirk came to Montana at the invitation of several Republicans who’ve been feuding with party hard-liners, arguing the state GOP needs to appeal to more than just doctrinaire conservatives.

Kirk said he talks to groups about how they can “better brand” capitalism and free markets for young people: “Young people want to be free. They want to be able to make their own decisions. They like to enjoy liberty.”

As for local Republican parties and groups, Kirk suggested they not turn their backs on libertarians or other subsets of the right, and that libertarians – social and economic – should be talking to conservatives about where they can seek common ground.


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1 posted on 06/15/2013 10:03:57 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Those were two young people who were potential young Republicans

Those people were never going to be Republicans if they were marching for Move On and other lefty groups

2 posted on 06/15/2013 10:08:46 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: 1rudeboy
“Now, why didn’t any of the organizations on the right have a booth at that swearing-in ceremony?” Kirk said.

They probably didn't want to be firebombed by DNC, crapped on by the students, or shot by the police.

3 posted on 06/15/2013 10:10:27 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: 1rudeboy

It is also bit easier to win when you are the POTUS and ignore numerous laws, and use every lever of the Federal government for partisan means. (Ignoring all of the problems with Romney.)


4 posted on 06/15/2013 10:11:35 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: 1rudeboy

“Kirk came to Montana at the invitation of several Republicans who’ve been feuding with party hard-liners, arguing the state GOP needs to appeal to more than just doctrinaire conservatives.”

I hope this isn’t what it sounds like.


5 posted on 06/15/2013 10:14:12 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: 1rudeboy
“The other side had behavioral modeling, what I like to call the 22nd Century campaign. It was unbelievable what they were able to do.”

They also had meta data from the IRS and the NSA to help them out. Plus brainwashing from their teachers and professors who are shameless shills for Marxist ideas. You can bet on it.

6 posted on 06/15/2013 10:15:45 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: 1rudeboy
“The other side had behavioral modeling, what I like to call the 22nd Century campaign. It was unbelievable what they were able to do.”

They also had meta data from the IRS and the NSA to help them out. Plus brainwashing from their teachers and professors who are shameless shills for Marxist ideas. You can bet on it.

7 posted on 06/15/2013 10:15:45 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: headstamp 2
I hope this isn’t what it sounds like.

I'm guessing it is, but probably refers to the social con vs. fiscal con thing.

8 posted on 06/15/2013 10:18:10 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: headstamp 2

Bingo! Give the man a cigar!


9 posted on 06/15/2013 10:23:31 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: 1rudeboy

Free Market Flea Market...

I believe in free markets at home. I don’t believe in sacrificing our nation on the alter of international globalist (anything but) free market pipe dreams.

I believe in global trade, that is rational and logical.

What we have been doing has utterly failed our people and nation, and has utterly gifted China with our wealth, technology, and the future that should have been ours.

I am very leery of people hawking free-market Capitalism these days. It’s code folks. Don’t ever forget it.


10 posted on 06/15/2013 10:26:51 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: GeronL

How the Hell do you know that for sure? You don’t. Your attitude is EXACTLY what this article is about and it only took two posts to prove it.

Learn to accept new ways to reach out to the younger voters or get out of the way. You are part of the problem.

Young folks are very impressionable, we need not lose them as soon as they leave our family homes. This group of American’s are going to be the payers for all the new government and need to be educated to the lies the progressives like to spin. Foolish folks who whistle by the graveyard like yourself, only make it easier for the left to capture these youngsters.


11 posted on 06/15/2013 10:33:48 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: DoughtyOne

You should be leery of people hawking crony capitalism as free-market capitalism. That is the “code” to which you refer . . . you should direct your attention at them, and not the “free-market capitalists.”


12 posted on 06/15/2013 10:35:31 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: bigfootbob

Oh, come on, now. We don’t need these young, up and coming voters! Why, we’re about to get 20+M new hispanic voters...once amnesty gets passed! /s


13 posted on 06/15/2013 10:37:05 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: bigfootbob

If one cannot convince a young lefty, here and there, of the benefits and desirability of free markets, then we are in dire shape indeed.


14 posted on 06/15/2013 10:39:22 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

I meant what I said, and I provided enough reason for folks to grasp why I said it. Thanks for playing...


15 posted on 06/15/2013 10:40:47 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: bigfootbob

I don’t want to reach out to raging leftwing radicals, if the GOPe wants them they won’t have me


16 posted on 06/15/2013 10:40:59 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks 1rudeboy.
Members of the GOP audience in Bozeman audibly gasped as Kirk told the tale of two acquaintances who he thought were “potential young Republicans,” but were swayed by the other side’s superior organization. One was a female fan of pop singer Katy Perry. The woman obtained tickets to a Perry concert after agreeing to march in a gay pride parade last year. The marchers-concert goers also had to give their contact information to an Obama campaign group. “She went from being uninvolved in March and being a Katy Perry fan to being one of the top community organizers in Chicago for Barack Obama,” Kirk said. The other was a Latino high school classmate from Colombia, who had talked about his support of a less intrusive government and free markets. But when the classmate returned to school after summer last year, he was wearing a T-shirt from MoveOn.org, a prominent liberal advocacy group. Kirk said MoveOn.Org had had a booth outside the ceremony where the classmate and his family became American citizens, spoken to them in Spanish, and invited them to community events. The friend had become an organizer for the group.
And, it sounds like he'll be next.


17 posted on 06/15/2013 10:42:38 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: 1rudeboy

“Young free-market activist says GOP blowing it with young voters”

With people like Boehner, McCain, Graham, Flake, Rubio, Christie etc. they’re blowing it with older people like me as well.


18 posted on 06/15/2013 10:45:13 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: DoughtyOne

No need to be condescending about it . . . if you prefer socialism to capitalism, just admit it . . . no need to claim that you are “leery” of capitalists. See? Two can play.


19 posted on 06/15/2013 10:57:28 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: GeronL

That is true. They are liberal-tarians.

The GOP should be talking about helping middle class small businesses (everywhere and not limited to buying ghetto scams and votes in “Enterprise zones”) and global(ist) business competition. Every time McCainish wackobirds run a small business out of town, the GOP should be posing an yelping about government abuse. A lot of small businesses are middle class Hispanic and Asian owned. Leftists are killing the middle class. Screw the global corporations and banksters! Lets get American business rolling again.


20 posted on 06/15/2013 11:08:49 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: 1rudeboy
No need to be condescending about it...
I said what I intended to, conveyed the ideas I wanted to, and don't need to be corrected for it.  If you don't like my reaction to your comments, don't try to 'fix' my posts or thoughts.

If you prefer socialism to capitalism, just admit it...
Never said I did.  Your inference that I did displays the crack in your comprehension and logic, not mine.

No need to claim that you are “leery” of capitalists.
What is going on with China, has very little to do with true free-market Capitalism.  Take a look at what has happened in the exchange to our two economies.  Realize that there is not a level playing field between our nations.  I said I believed in reasoned trade and I meant it.  It's up to you to grasp what has taken place with regard to our relationship with China, and gain meaning from it as my comments relate to it.  If you can't do that, then remain silent while others do.

See? Two can play.

Two can try.  In this case, only one was able to.

21 posted on 06/15/2013 11:09:14 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: 1rudeboy

The GOP is the “Seinfeld” Party - A party about nothing.

I sure as heck don’t know what they stand for anymore. At least the Democrats do stand for something, even though I vehemently disagree with them.


22 posted on 06/15/2013 11:11:08 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: 1rudeboy
We should listen to a 19 year old idiot that wants us to pass out free tickets at a queer parade?

That is the problem with the GOP, they think morons like that should be catered to and drive away 10 voters for every young mushhead voter gained.

23 posted on 06/15/2013 11:15:06 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: 1rudeboy

I agree that if the Republicans were in favor of not putting roadblocks in the way of small business creation and self employment, it would attract a lot of younger (and older) voters. Being a corporate slave without even the benefit of job security or being a globalist/banking/elitist sleazeball just doesn’t have the appeal it used to.


24 posted on 06/15/2013 11:16:43 AM PDT by grania
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To: 1rudeboy
Capitalism is learned behavior. It's not intuitively understood as easily as the false promises of Socialism are.

But too many Republicans have no interest in educating. They act like anyone not born understanding free markets is an idiot and a lost cause not worth spending time on.

25 posted on 06/15/2013 11:17:13 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: DoughtyOne
Oh, great. Multicolor font. You ok?

If you don't like my reaction to your comments, don't try to 'fix' my posts or thoughts.
Apart from the fact that you were not reacting to one of my comments . . . .

26 posted on 06/15/2013 11:21:19 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: grania
I agree that if the Republicans were in favor of not putting roadblocks in the way of small business creation and self employment, it would attract a lot of younger (and older) voters.

Too late . . . this thread is about China, now.

27 posted on 06/15/2013 11:24:10 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

If you’re not a democrat when young you don’t have a heart and if you’re not a Republican when older you don’t have a brain.

There’s no reason for Republicans to go after the ‘youth vote’... It’s as big a waste of our time as democrats trying to get the ‘gun owner’ vote.

When the young get married and have a child they’ll start looking to us... that’s when we care. That’s when we move toward them.


28 posted on 06/15/2013 11:40:52 AM PDT by GOPJ (Why don't Democrats waste their time trying to win the votes of gun owners? - Coulter)
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To: 1rudeboy

What a yawner. This guy is Karl Rove’s mini-me.
Media sure is giving these losers attention.

Ronald Reagan won 2 landslides by being an outspoken Conservative.
Want to win landslide elections, stop with the squishes as candidates.


29 posted on 06/15/2013 11:42:09 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: Beagle8U
You Beagle8 are 100% right.... it's a total waste of our money and time.

As the saying goes:

If you're not a democrat when young you don't have a heart and if you're not a Republican when older you don't have a brain.

There's no reason for Republicans to go after the 'youth vote'... It's as big a waste of our time as democrats trying to get the 'gun owner' vote.

When the young get married and have a child they'll start looking to us... that's when we care. That's when we move toward them.

30 posted on 06/15/2013 11:43:13 AM PDT by GOPJ (Why don't Democrats waste their time trying to win the votes of gun owners? - Coulter)
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To: GeronL
Those people were never going to be Republicans if they were marching for Move On and other lefty groups

Hard to say for sure but we DO know who got to them first don't we?

31 posted on 06/15/2013 11:47:03 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: RginTN
Ronald Reagan won 2 landslides by being an outspoken Conservative.

Reagan was also able to articulate Conservative Principles in a manner that connected and registered with the Average Person. Reagan sold the benefits of Conservative Principles and painted a picture of an America that was proud to get up in the morning, go out, and win.

Find a candidate who can do that and you win.

32 posted on 06/15/2013 11:47:06 AM PDT by superloser
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To: GOPJ
Just throwing this out there: so we shouldn't be worried about the leftist takeover of our schools, because we'll "get those voters back when they're ready?"

Sorry, doesn't sound like much of a plan.

33 posted on 06/15/2013 11:47:42 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: GeronL

“And get off my lawn!!!” Thanks for your perspective gramps.

Geez, do you even know anyone under 21? Kids are stupid, and kids do stupid things. But they grow up eventually. And can be influenced.


34 posted on 06/15/2013 11:48:45 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: All

Illegal Alien Amnesty, Homosexual Special Rights, are not Free Market.

This article has nothing to do with free markets. Once again, another liberal trying to push their agenda under the guise of “free market”

Unfortunately, these days, anyone mentioning “free market” seems to have no clue what one really is.


35 posted on 06/15/2013 11:51:48 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Don't Blame Me For La Raza Rubio....I Voted For Alex Snitker)
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To: RginTN

And to add to my comment #33: we shouldn’t go after young voters, and simply wait for another Reagan to come along? Doesn’t sound like much of a plan, either.


36 posted on 06/15/2013 11:53:01 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: SunkenCiv
The other was a Latino high school classmate from Colombia, who had talked about his support of a less intrusive government and free markets. But when the classmate returned to school after summer last year, he was wearing a T-shirt from MoveOn.org, a prominent liberal advocacy group.

Send a few NRA members to a democrat gathering and prime them to put out a bunch of bullsh*t about how they're 'thinking about becoming democrats' if only _____________ then fill in the blank (with whatever a focus group says might appeal to democrats)... AND GET DEMOCRATS TO WASTE THEIR TIME AND MONEY ...

Democrats are more than willing to hire young people to pull the wool over the eyes of idiot Republicans ... they do it all the time. Fake people, fake letters to the editor, fake letters to our GOP leaders... fake calls to Rush, Hannity, and Levin...

There's a reason Democrats don't waste their time tilting at windmills - or going after the 'gun owner ' vote it's because they're not gullible like our leaders.

37 posted on 06/15/2013 11:53:08 AM PDT by GOPJ (Why don't Democrats waste their time trying to win the votes of gun owners? - Coulter)
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To: SeminoleCounty

You’re the expert: you appear to believe that the “free market” has something to do with amnesty, and homo rights. /s


38 posted on 06/15/2013 11:54:44 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Hot Tabasco
Umm, the left can have the young vote.. Who cares?

Why aren't democrats wasting their time and money trying to get the ‘NRA gun owner vote’? I'll tell you why - because they have NO CHANCE of getting much of that vote. It would costs too much per vote.

That's the same as us going after the youth vote. Besides young people grow up and become more responsible. That's when we court them...

39 posted on 06/15/2013 12:00:40 PM PDT by GOPJ (Why don't Democrats waste their time trying to win the votes of gun owners? - Coulter)
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To: DoughtyOne

Exactly...most who hawk “Free Market” today would scream if you took their Big Government Statism away

Look at all the fools who still push Free Trade. Free Traders have surrendered our national authority to preserve our free markets by joining us with World Trade Organization, UN, and NAFTA...which sets laws and rules that the US has to follow...with no representation from any elected official

Taxation without representation was one of the tenets of our American Revolution. Our Funding Fathers are rolling in their graves over how Free Traders (who are never Free Market) have surrendered our economics to non-representative governmental bodies

This liberal kid in Montana thinks gays and illegals are Free Market. Whats next, Child Molesters are Free Market (Mohammed would like that)


40 posted on 06/15/2013 12:00:44 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Don't Blame Me For La Raza Rubio....I Voted For Alex Snitker)
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To: SeminoleCounty

I appreciate the response. I agree with your take on it. When I see an article that tries to game the topic, I try to jump in. That’s what I believed was happening here, and I’m glad you thought so too.


41 posted on 06/15/2013 12:04:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: SeminoleCounty
Exactly...most who hawk “Free Market” today would scream if you took their Big Government Statism away

That doesn't follow. Most who "scream" about the free market also beg Big Government to "protect" them.

42 posted on 06/15/2013 12:05:36 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DoughtyOne

Have you given any thought as to how we should stamp-out the scourge of free-market belief among the younger generation?


43 posted on 06/15/2013 12:06:57 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: GeronL

GeronL: “Those people were never going to be Republicans if they were marching for Move On and other lefty groups”

I don’t know if that’s true. People are pretty malleable at that age. Many (most) conservatives were once liberal, then reality intruded.


44 posted on 06/15/2013 12:07:25 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: 1rudeboy
I became a Conservative when Reagan was president because his ideas resonated with me. I was a teenager who paid attention to politics. There were no outreaches to black female teenage Christians at the time.

Like the other poster posted, we need articulate Conservative candidates who can resonate with a majority.

45 posted on 06/15/2013 12:10:02 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: SaraJohnson; GeronL; bigfootbob

>> They are liberal-tarians.

Snowden is a Libertarian and seemingly a hero here at FR.

I think it’s a mistake to disregard the young folks that believe they’re best represented by the Libertarian Party.

Let me be clear that I’m not speaking in favor of the Libertarian Platform which is obviously corrupted with an array Leftwing tenets.


46 posted on 06/15/2013 12:13:39 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: RginTN
Which makes the knee-jerk reactions on this thread that much more ironic, and amusing. Should we organize a FR campaign to stamp-out these guys (and gals)?

Turning Point USA

I thought the Meme Gallery was amusing, though the self-promotion was over the top.
47 posted on 06/15/2013 12:15:09 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Free Market Capitalism

Sounds innocent enough.  I know I spent my life supporting it.  It's the best system around, as long as it is not gamed.  Sadly, over the last twenty years, it has been gamed, to support things that never should have been supported.

In this environment, I am leery of people who hawk it.  It means different things to different people.  It shouldn't but those who object to any criticism of what is done under this label, have contributed to the confusion that exists today.  And that was the goal all along.  It was an avenue to destroy true Free Market Capitalism, or worse yet cause as much damage to our nation as it could under that label.  And that being the case, it caused folks to dismiss Capitalism as the best system around.  That's what the Left does today, and because of folks who front for absolutely anything done under this label, they have a basis for making that argument.  Some folks who have professed to believe in Free Market Capitalism, have done massive damage to it's image.

A lot has been supported under this label.  Not all of it was good.  Some of it was very destructive.  It has been bastardized to a large extent, and that's why I no longer look at this label, stand to attention, click my heels, and salute.  Lots of time these days, it is used to cover a massive amount of subterfuge and deceit.  I need to know more.

This kid is hawked as a supporter of Free Market Capitalism.  As far as that goes, I'm on board.  If it ventures into the area of lopsided trade, unequal markets, massive losses of jobs in the U. S., the undercutting of our citizens, the destruction of our tax base, contributory to the decay of our infrastructure, the demise of R&D and cutting edge technological discoveries in the U. S., and just the opposite of all these things for the world's leading threat to the United States, I'm going to object.  And when I do, I know that I will be attacked by people like you who don't have the mental faculties to grasp what I'm talking about.  No, you'd rather play me off as a Marxist or an anti-Capitalist.

I don't show you any respect, because you don't deserve any.  You seek to prevent people from objecting to our trade with China, which has gifted it with much of our patent database, has provided it a massive income stream, and has brought it forward over fifty years in a matter of twenty, to be a global player against almost all of what our national ideology stands for.

So you go ahead and play the infantile game of slander you little termite.

48 posted on 06/15/2013 12:52:08 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: 1rudeboy
First... the republican party leadership does not understand or believe in Free Markets and Capitalism... they are conspiring with pelosi, reid and obama to shift this republic far to the left. This is not speculation, as 70 Republican Conservative Congressmen and women have stated this and have asked for our help to fight it. I intend to give it my all... whatever I can do to aid them defeat the evil shroud over DC.

Second... we have already performed an autopsy on the 2012 election and it was lost for the following reasons. Since 2000, karl rove has controlled the republican election machine and when he won elections, it was by losing the popular vote the first time and by a thin margin the second time. His losses are mind boggling.

Next, we have a party leadership that has been actively moving the party to the left since the day that Reagan retired and ghw bush was elected... only because he had been Reagan's VP and had promised to continue Reagan's work. He and the party started undoing everything that Reagan had accomplished and 2011 saw rove, gingrich, michael steele and others proclaiming: “The era of Reagan is over”. They thought so at the time... but because of the Conservative backlash they caused with their proclamation, they each to a man had to retract and rationalize “what I was trying to say”. These people have little in difference with the rat party.

Then the gop/e for the fifth time in a row... rammed a progressive “moderate” candidate down our throats... a man (romney) that shared much in common with his opponent... the worst and most progressive president to ever soil the office... and even wrote much of the nation destroying “affordable care act”... a man that had to flip 180 degrees from who he had always been... a man that had to shift 180 degrees from how he governed when he was the Governor of Massachusetts. mitt then claimed Victory in the Iowa Caucus and retracted a week later... but by then the mo had switched from Santorum to romney. Couple that with the manipulation of ballots in certain states (through reince preibus pressuring certain republican SoS)... which ended with keeping the two candidates that were leading romney... off the ballots in those three states.

Lastly, we have the entire federal machine... the NSA... the CIA... THE DOJ etc all conspiring against Conservative organizations and groups... candidates were smeared with allegations born of these illegal surveillance methods... and through voter fraud in many urban areas... and all of this is well documented... and that is why we lost the 2012 election and why we lost to what truly was a very weak candidate... an incumbent that had overseen his first term leading our country into depression and the collapse of America looking to be certain. Anything else claimed is just gazing at belly button fuzz.

LLS

49 posted on 06/15/2013 12:52:20 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: DoughtyOne

That’s a fairly long essay, that I regret to admitting I read. I’ll simply add this: piss off, statist . . . some of us are trying to save the country from your ilk.


50 posted on 06/15/2013 12:56:19 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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