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I Recall the 1986 Immigration Act Rather Differently
WSJ ^ | June 15, 2013 | Ed Meese

Posted on 06/15/2013 1:13:52 PM PDT by don-o

Karl Rove's recollection of the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act ("Immigration Reform and the Hispanic Vote," op-ed, June 6) is, shall we say, highly selective. That law, he writes, "essentially told those here illegally that if they had arrived in the U.S. prior to 1982 and wanted to become citizens, simply raise your right hand." He asserts that the Gang of Eight bill is different because it "has plenty of penalties and hurdles for those here illegally who seek citizenship."

Well, I was there in '86. I read that bill carefully. (We did that back then.) And I can tell you that Mr. Rove's blithe description of the bill is way off the mark.

The 1986 act didn't turn illegal immigrants into citizens on the spot. It granted temporary resident status only to those who could prove they had resided continuously in America for five years. After 18 months, their status could be upgraded to permanent residency, and only after another five years could they become U.S. citizens.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; edmeese; gangof8; immigration; immigrationbill; karlrove; randsconcerntrolls; shamnesty; tokyorove
I believe I will believe Ed Meese over Karl Rove. Eh?
1 posted on 06/15/2013 1:13:52 PM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o

Tokyo Rove is a GOPe propaganda stooge.


2 posted on 06/15/2013 1:15:52 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: don-o
Rove is a liar. Rubio is a liar. Obama is a liar.

I'm sensing a pattern here.

3 posted on 06/15/2013 1:20:17 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: F15Eagle

These immigration bills are meaningless. There are already numerous Federal laws that deal with border security, deportation of illegals and aliens convicted of felonies. If an administration for political purposes ignores or refuses to enforce the law, additional legislation accomplishes nothing. Democrats want loyal voters, big corporations and farmers want cheap labor, and hard core leftists want to destroy white dominance. As long as there is miserable poverty in most of the world, people will come here whatever laws are in the books.


4 posted on 06/15/2013 1:23:34 PM PDT by allendale
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To: don-o

Kapo Karl is a liar.


5 posted on 06/15/2013 1:25:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: don-o

Everybody keeps talking about a “Path to citizenship”.

Would somebody besides me just talk to these illegal immigrants? THEY DON’T WANT CITIZENSHIP!

They want to earn money here for at least 5 years, and then go home and live well.


6 posted on 06/15/2013 1:25:25 PM PDT by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: F15Eagle

Dear Mr. Rove,
When someone plays fast and loose with the truth,
it’s the truth that suffers.

T raditionally
E mancipated
A merican

Freed of oppressive government by the founding fathers,
we preserve freedom for our posterity,
by our own hands.


7 posted on 06/15/2013 1:25:50 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: don-o

8 posted on 06/15/2013 1:27:29 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: don-o
I seem to recall that in the 1980s we were dealing with more of an influx of "political refugees" from the war-torn countries of Central America, than with opportunistic Mexicans. The movie "El Norte" came out during that period.
9 posted on 06/15/2013 1:30:00 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: don-o

I was around in 1986 as well, and my memory is that this bill was peddled as the final solution to the immigration mess—Once passed, we’d never have to deal with the issue again.

Worked out pretty well, huh?


10 posted on 06/15/2013 1:30:12 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: don-o

The current Amnesty bill must be stopped.call congress.

30 million illegals get Amnesty to vote in 2014 election

those 30 million can bring in 50 million more of their relatives still in the 3rd world.

30 million more illegals will invade to do the “under the table” jobs

untold millions will cross into the USA to get in on the
Amnesty bonanza.

if this bill passes the USA is done

these representatives in Congress are traitors against
Americans .

What do we do sit here and complain on the Internet when we should be protesting in the streets, outside of Congress as they prepare to give Amnesty to these immigrant creeps.protests, marches, no we sit here while they take our country away.

At least we should be calling Congressmen non stop, emailing , twitter ,paper letters( an effective method) etc.

I am writing something up to give these congressmen a piece of my mind


11 posted on 06/15/2013 1:38:55 PM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: Arm_Bears

I was around then and I remember people departing for the US from Asia after the bill passed with every intention of using fraudulent means to prove they were here in 82. And it worked. Lots of immigrants used false or borrowed documents..even new ID’s to get their permanent residence. There was very little review of the documents. I’m sure the same thing will happen again. It is simply too many people to process and it is to easy to come up with false documents.
Document fraud is already a big factor in our immigration problems..this will just make it more possible.


12 posted on 06/15/2013 1:39:26 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: allendale
. . . big corporations and farmers want cheap labor . . .

And there's the big rub. Once the illegals become legal, they will have to be paid in accordance with US labor rates (laws this administration is willing to enforce). Once the labor savings evaporates, there will still be a need to import third-world slave laborers.

13 posted on 06/15/2013 1:39:34 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: don-o

With all due respect, because I like Ed Meese, both men tend to view the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act in a somewhat naive light.

The act required documentary evidence of an alien’s presence in the US for the statutory period. It therefore spawned an international industry in forging and counterfeiting documents, which occupied a great majority of the INS’s Investigation assets for no less than 20 years.

Farm labor contractors, employers and other peripheral figures got rich off selling these phony documents to ineligible aliens, and the entire affair resulted in far more than the estimated 2 million legalized aliens, massive fraud, and exponentially increased northbound cross-border traffic. It was a disaster, and this one will eclipse it more than tenfold.

None of us who worked the street then have positive recollections like Meese and Rove. They were completely above and unaffected by the reality of the law.


14 posted on 06/15/2013 1:48:21 PM PDT by DPMD
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Cheap labor impedes the innovation in farming. Robots and flying monkeys would lower the prices on produce.


15 posted on 06/15/2013 1:48:44 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: don-o

I believe that most of the illegal immigrants currently in this country
couldn’t give a rat’s ass about whether they become “citizens” or not.
Most of them did not come here seeking to be a part of the system,
they are just happy to leech off of it.


16 posted on 06/15/2013 1:50:47 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: don-o
I believe I will believe Ed Meese over Karl Rove. Eh?

And I believe that nobody knows anything about this bill.....

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."

17 posted on 06/15/2013 1:52:49 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: don-o

I also recall the 1986 amnesty as intended to be the first and the last amnesty. I hope someone can source this.


18 posted on 06/15/2013 1:54:15 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: don-o

Rove, Rubio & 0bummer are turds which won’t flush.


19 posted on 06/15/2013 2:01:45 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: don-o

No one better to refute a liar than someone who was present and involved in it when the event took place.

Worse yet here we encourage citizens from a foreign country being allowed to settle in ours without permission. Citizens who’s country lays claim to parts of ours and support that claim for where they have dominance in doing so, terrorize our citizens. Yet the opposition party leadership even refuses to deal with that aspect.


20 posted on 06/15/2013 2:17:10 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: don-o

Not on;y that but Ed’s version of how things happened is how I remember thatn particular bill...I hated it then and hate it even more now


21 posted on 06/15/2013 2:49:49 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: DPMD

Good point. The larger point is that we have the reality of the 1986 act. Too many working on and pushing for the current legislation act like 1986 never happened.

What’s that saying about fool me once and fool me twice?


22 posted on 06/15/2013 5:20:45 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: don-o; All

Bachmann has just announced a DC rally Wednesday 6/19 over the Rusty Humphries radio gig. Bachmann contends the House is being steam rollered into supporting the “Amnesty” bill and many House members will support it in the belief “the latino vote” supports this. She contends if this passes there will never be another chance from the conservative movement to remedy the countries direction.

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23 posted on 06/15/2013 5:56:44 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Arm_Bears
Once passed, we’d never have to deal with the issue again.

Yup. The lead communist in the Democrat Party Ted Kennedy himself spoke those same words in 1986.

24 posted on 06/15/2013 6:20:44 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's Enemies List - Yes, you are a crook.)
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25 posted on 06/15/2013 7:17:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: wolfpat
Triple Bingo!!! They are not interested in becoming Americans. If the US Government is evil enough to grant them citizenship, that does NOT make them American. They aren't interested.

Also, how many bureaucrats will it take to determine if this nomads on the pathway to citizenship pay the fines, study American civics and learn English. Really and there's going to be no fraud going on? Snort!

This entire bill is a fraud and a scam. Rubio has proven his has poor judgment. Rand Paul is awfully close behind him. That leaves Ted Cruz.

26 posted on 06/16/2013 4:37:47 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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