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1913 Gettysburg Reunion of Blue and Gray
Huntington News ^ | June 14, 2013 | Calvin E. Johnson, Jr.

Posted on 06/15/2013 2:53:18 PM PDT by BigReb555

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To: 0.E.O

You are entitled to your smug, small-hearted, and — I would assert — ahistorical view of outstanding men such as Robert E. Lee, Thomas Jonathan “Stonewall” Jackson, and James Longstreet, to name a few.

And you’re entitled to blow anything you want out of proportion.

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Thank you. (Whatever you meant to imply by your ambiguous statement.)


151 posted on 06/16/2013 6:36:46 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: man_in_tx
Oh, I could start with managing the emissions level of their factories, for one....Yep. We lost that one at Appomattox Court House.

Or you could just admit that you can't answer the question.

152 posted on 06/16/2013 6:37:05 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: central_va

You should be congratulated, you pulled the hate and bile out of one of the Lincoln Coven for the whole world to see. The honesty of his remarks are refreshing.

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Thank you for that insight!


153 posted on 06/16/2013 6:38:25 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: central_va
You should be congratulated, you pulled the hate and bile out of one of the Lincoln Coven for the whole world to see. The honesty of his remarks are refreshing.

And your hypocrisy is on display for the world to see.

154 posted on 06/16/2013 6:38:27 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O

Or you could just admit that you can’t answer the question.

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Or you could admit that you know I am correct. On this issue there is little disagreement: Following the Civil War, the Feds have cramped the States’ rights to self-government in numerous ways.

Or, do you support the egregious overreach the IRS, EPA, etc? As YOU said, IIRC, winning (or losing) wars has consequences. Not all of them matured overnight, either.


155 posted on 06/16/2013 6:41:06 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: central_va

On this thread alone you get all giddy talking about shooting your fellow countrymen and you get your panties in a bunch over that?

Hyperbole much?


156 posted on 06/16/2013 6:42:03 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: 0.E.O

You’re having a bad day, like Grant at Cold Harbor....


157 posted on 06/16/2013 6:42:37 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 0.E.O

The Supreme Court has ruled many things incorrectly. You have to do better than that.

And it’s wrong in this case because you say they are? You will have to do better than that.

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No — I do not. I never based my arguments on a Supreme Court decision, in the first place.


158 posted on 06/16/2013 6:42:48 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: rockrr
I have always been honest and up front about my opinions of the long past "unpleasantness". I have never held back or tried to be deceptive.

The honesty displayed by 0.E.M (N-s) in that post is actually appreciated.

159 posted on 06/16/2013 6:44:55 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: man_in_tx
Or you could admit that you know I am correct.

How can you be correct when you didn't answer the question. What state's right was being trampled on by the federal behemoth to such an extent that rebellion was justified?

Or, do you support the egregious overreach the IRS, EPA, etc? As YOU said, IIRC, winning (or losing) wars has consequences. Not all of them matured overnight, either.

The popular Democrat refrain: It's all Bush's Lincoln's fault.

160 posted on 06/16/2013 6:46:13 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: central_va

You’re a disgusting pig cva and unfit for decent company. But you do have a right to your opinion - no matter how depraved.

Is this a great country or what?!


161 posted on 06/16/2013 6:47:34 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr
Is this a great country or what?!

Well the lower half anyway, 1861-1865.

162 posted on 06/16/2013 6:49:32 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

And that’s what I like about you - always betting on a losing hand.


163 posted on 06/16/2013 6:50:30 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

We all lost a republic.


164 posted on 06/16/2013 6:54:42 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
You’re having a bad day, like Grant at Cold Harbor....

I'm having a fine day. I'm just pointing out that after posts like this and this and this you're the last person in the world to be accusing others of hatred and bile.

165 posted on 06/16/2013 6:57:49 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: central_va

It’s still there - a bit dented and tarnished but still valuable to normal people. I can see why you would want out.


166 posted on 06/16/2013 7:03:06 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: 0.E.O

That’s just this thread. cva’s been winning friends and influencing people in a similar fashion all over the site ;-)


167 posted on 06/16/2013 7:04:43 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: 0.E.O
I restrict my comments to my long past Southern brethren motivation.

What motivated the Blue Belly is a mystery that I care not to delve into. I would not disparage their cause, some utopian concept of union, or freeing blacks or whatever. They can had their reasons I guess. The Yankee was a formidable foe and never lacked for courage that often did not make up for the stupidity of their leadership. That is sad, for them.

168 posted on 06/16/2013 7:07:14 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rockrr
That’s just this thread. cva’s been winning friends and influencing people in a similar fashion all over the site ;-)

Are you following me again?

169 posted on 06/16/2013 7:07:57 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Don’t be a complete moron.


170 posted on 06/16/2013 7:09:21 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: central_va
I restrict my comments to my long past Southern brethren motivation.

LOL!!!! Except for that turd fascination of yours.

What motivated the Blue Belly is a mystery that I care not to delve into.

They were motivated by love of country. A sentiment totally foreign to you.

171 posted on 06/17/2013 3:43:45 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O
They were motivated by love of country. A sentiment totally foreign to you.

Funny way of showing love that, with double canister and minie balls.

172 posted on 06/17/2013 3:49:58 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Funny way of showing love that, with double canister and minie balls.

What were they supposed to fight the war that the South started with? Spitballs and water balloons?

173 posted on 06/17/2013 3:53:38 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O

Well you called it love not me. Like I said i don’t get it.


174 posted on 06/17/2013 4:14:43 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Well you called it love not me. Like I said i don’t get it.

And, with all due respect, I wouldn't expect you to. Like I said, love of country is a concept that is totally alien to you. I would no more expect you to fathom that concept that you would expect me to understand the depths of your hatred for all things Yankee.

175 posted on 06/17/2013 4:33:07 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: central_va

And blinded by bigotry, you likely never will.


176 posted on 06/17/2013 4:37:46 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck
And blinded by bigotry, you likely never will.

What kind of idiotic comment is that? Show me where CVA is a bigot. Or are you grouping anyone who had a confederate soldier ancestor a bigot?

177 posted on 06/17/2013 4:40:43 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey NSA Goon watching FR... Suck this - > |=====>)
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To: central_va
Well you called it love not me. Like I said i don’t get it.

CVA...there is a reason that we get grief from these southern hating pukes. Like their area, and their NE US politicians, they are nothing but Statist RINO's, who secretly probably love Obama's trampling of the constitution, just like their hero Lincoln, and war criminal Sherman.

Arguing with them is pointless.

178 posted on 06/17/2013 4:50:11 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey NSA Goon watching FR... Suck this - > |=====>)
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To: catfish1957
Arguing with them is pointless.

Everyone needs a cheap hobby.

179 posted on 06/17/2013 6:06:26 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: mac_truck

I don’t think you mean bigot in the racial sense, right?


180 posted on 06/17/2013 6:07:49 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Do you think that distinction makes a difference? /smh


181 posted on 06/17/2013 6:12:08 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

If you think I am a racist bigot then go f yourself.


182 posted on 06/17/2013 6:22:30 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 0.E.O

More love from one of your compatriots, calling people bigots. Feel the love.


183 posted on 06/17/2013 6:26:06 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: mac_truck

the hosts did not count on Black Confederates attending the meeting and had no place to put them but the White Confederates made room for their Southern brothers. Black Union veterans also attended this event.


184 posted on 06/17/2013 6:50:18 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
It is written that the hosts did not count on Black Confederates attending the meeting and had no place to put them but the White Confederates made room for their Southern brothers. Black Union veterans also attended this event.

I don't know where it might be written but I'm calling BS on this part of the account. In the first place, there were no Black Union troops present at Gettysburg. In the second place, there were no Black Confederate troops present at Gettysburg. So why would either show up at a reunion of the battle? And while I wouldn't be surprised if all the hotels in the area were segregated at the time I would be surprised that white Southerners would be any more racially tolerant or enlightened than white Northerners were and share their lodgings with them. Why would they do something in Pennsylvania that would not have been tolerated in Virginia or Mississippi?

185 posted on 06/17/2013 7:14:15 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O
Here is another account

More than 53,000 Union and Confederate veterans from 47 states converged on the battlefield for the June 29-July 4 festivities, making it perhaps the biggest such military reunion in American history. Despite the segregation and racism of the time, black veterans from both the Union and Confederacy were also among the attendees.

Link.

186 posted on 06/17/2013 7:24:39 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 0.E.O
One of the most “telling” monuments to the South and including Black Confederates and other Black Southerners is this 1912 (pre-PC) Confederate Memorial towers 32 and 1/2 feet and is said to be the tallest bronze sculpture at Arlington National Cemetery. On top is a figure of a woman, with olive leaves covering her head, representing the South. She also holds a laurel wreath in her left hand, remembering the Sons of Dixie. On the side of the monument is also a life size depiction of a Black Confederate marching in step with white soldiers, and among other life size depictions, a Black woman receiving a baby as a father going off to war. These are the stories that bring people together, not the Neo-Yankee version of the South that we are having to endure today. We could do with a lot less “presentism”!


187 posted on 06/17/2013 7:26:53 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
More than 53,000 Union and Confederate veterans from 47 states converged on the battlefield for the June 29-July 4 festivities, making it perhaps the biggest such military reunion in American history. Despite the segregation and racism of the time, black veterans from both the Union and Confederacy were also among the attendees.

Another newspaper sory using the "It was written" source that can't be verified? At least this one isn't claiming the rebel vets welcomed the black vets into their lodgings with open arms.

188 posted on 06/17/2013 7:54:58 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O

The union troops were segregated so no black regiments were there. The blacks were imbedded on Confederate Regiments, so they were there.


189 posted on 06/17/2013 8:05:25 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
On the side of the monument is also a life size depiction of a Black Confederate marching in step with white soldiers, and among other life size depictions, a Black woman receiving a baby as a father going off to war. These are the stories that bring people together, not the Neo-Yankee version of the South that we are having to endure today. We could do with a lot less “presentism”!

Rather than rely on your revisionism, why not go straight to the horse's mouth, so to speak, as to what the figures depicted on the monument actually represent? This is a book that the United Daughers of the Confederacy, the organization who funded the monument, had to say about it. After all, who would know better than the UDC on what message they were trying to portray? Link

"But our sculptor, who is writing history in bronze, also pictures the South in another attitude, the South as she was in 1861-1865...Then the sons and daughters of the South are seen coming from every direction. The manner in which they crowd enthusiastically upon each other is one of the most impressive features of this colossal work. There they come, representing every branch of the service, and in proper garb; soldiers, sailors, sappers and miners, all typified. On the right is a faithful negro body-servant following his young master, Mr. Thomas Nelson Page’s realistic “Marse Chan” over again.

The artist had grown up, like Page, in that embattled old Virginia where “Marse Chan” was so often enacted... And there is another story told here, illustrating the kindly relations that existed all over the South between the master and the slave — a story that can not be too often repeated to generations in which “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” survives and is still manufacturing false ideas as to the South and slavery in the “fifties.” The astonishing fidelity of the slaves everywhere during the war to the wives and children of those who were absent in the army was convincing proof of the kindly relations between master and slave in the old South.Still to the right of the young soldier and his body-servant is an officer, kissing his child in the arms of an old negro “mammy.” Another child holds on to the skirts of “mammy” and is crying, perhaps without knowing why."

190 posted on 06/17/2013 8:12:06 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: central_va
The blacks were imbedded on Confederate Regiments, so they were there.

It makes no sense to keep your cooks and body servants and laborers and teamsters in separate regiments, does it? So of course the rebel army kept them close at hand to the white men they were servicing.

191 posted on 06/17/2013 8:13:55 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O

I suppose a sarcasm tag would have helped.


192 posted on 06/17/2013 9:14:59 AM PDT by drjimmy
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To: 0.E.O
As shows go it's no Justified but it has its moments. Compared to the crap on the networks it's a work of art.

Okay. I didn't like the characters enough to care about what happened to them, though.

And shows like Boardwalk Empire or Deadwood or Rome or Mad Men (at least at the beginning) seemed to be real passion projects, inspired by real love for the past.

Copper came across as more of a commercial concoction intended to exploit the trend. The real passion was Marty Scorsese's when he created Gangs of New York, which probably inspired Copper.

If you think about it, Copper has the same formula or template as Ripper, another better than average show on the same network: early police force, pioneering detective suffering after the disappearance of his wife/daughter, cynical/hotheaded sidekick straddling the line between law and crime, marginal/disgraced but brilliant medical examiner, romantic triangle, egotistical rich people, lowlifes, prostitutes.

I'll be watching anyway, though.

193 posted on 06/17/2013 2:45:32 PM PDT by x
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To: x; 0.E.O

There were a few episodes available online so I checked it out - awfully talky for my taste. Yes, I did see the similarity to Gangs but never developed any connection to any of the characters.

“Tis all a matter of taste...”


194 posted on 06/17/2013 3:34:53 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr
The characters are different but the setting's the same. The critics had deja-vu when it came out.

Scorsese is supposed to be developing his own Gangs of New York series. If he gets HBO money it's bound to be more convincing than Copper (on the other hand, it could just be a 19th century rip off of Boardwalk Empire, which Scorsese also worked on).

Ripper (London, 1889) is another good series on BBC America. I wish they'd put their brains together and come up with one excellent series rather than two so-so ones, but I guess it's to be expected from television.

195 posted on 06/17/2013 3:45:04 PM PDT by x
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To: SunkenCiv

That movie footage is really remarkable. The technology was in its infancy when the reunion took place. Amazing to see men who participated in an 1863 battle on film.


196 posted on 06/17/2013 4:27:13 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: rockrr
There were a few episodes available online so I checked it out - awfully talky for my taste. Yes, I did see the similarity to Gangs but never developed any connection to any of the characters.

Justified is the kind of show where you need to invest time in getting to know the characters and the writing. The dialog is sharp and witty, and characters all have a depth that you don't see in ordinary shows. I agree it isn't for everyone, but like The Sopranos it has characters that you just hate to love. Raylan Givens is not my favorite character, I'm a Boyd Crowder fan. I loved the Mag Bennett and Mykelti Williamson as Elstin Limehouse was great. There are gems in just about every episode.

197 posted on 06/17/2013 4:46:07 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Ditto

“If you were a 20 year old, why would you think you had no prospects of ever owning a slave? Why wouldn’t they think they could become prosperous and own slaves some day?”

That’s a fair question. I would reply that, given the conditions that then existed, it would be unreasonable for a poor 20-year-old to think that he would become that prosperous.


198 posted on 06/17/2013 6:33:12 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: rockrr

“And yet that’s exactly what thousands of them did.”

I actually think that constitutes demonizing the southerners.

Would you go to war solely to protect slavery?


199 posted on 06/17/2013 6:37:51 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc
I would reply that, given the conditions that then existed, it would be unreasonable for a poor 20-year-old to think that he would become that prosperous.

Our history of the period was full of examples of men who started out poor and became that prosperous. Andrew Jackson. Thomas Jackson. Abraham Lincoln.

200 posted on 06/17/2013 6:46:08 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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