Skip to comments.1913 Gettysburg Reunion of Blue and Gray
Posted on 06/15/2013 2:53:18 PM PDT by BigReb555
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That was fascinating. Imagine being a Yankee soldier in the front lines and hearing that sort of yell coming from 15,000 enemy soldiers advancing toward you.
You can see the video taken of this event in 1913 at the end of “The Civil War” series by Ken Burns. It is very moving to see these survivors marching with amputated legs and arms.
One of the honored guests was Mrs. Longstreet...
Good for you!
I had to memorize the whole thing in 7th grade...worth it.Visiting the battle field is awe inspiring. Truly sacred ground...
Wonderful part of the series....
He was superb....
If one has studied even the beginning of our republic, the differences between the North and South were substantial even with the North also sanctioning slavery then...
here is what is happening the week of June 29 to Jul 7:
Sherman, while being a scurvy varmint, knew how to win a war...
One place he did intentionally burn was Columbia, SC to level the home of Gen. Wade Hampton of CSA cavalry.
Now there was a guy (Hampton) who gave all for the cause...
Highly recommend all interested to read his story...
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Thanks BigReb555. This is our weekly Digest list ping, hope you like it. :') Some old footage of that reunion survives, seen here from Ken Burns' "The Civil War".
Old footage of Gettysburg veterans reunions
Rare Motion Pictures Show Civil War Veterans at the 75th Gettysburg Battle Anniversary Reunion
The Gettysburg Reunion of 1913
Huntington News | June 16, 2011 | Calvin E. Johnson, Jr.
Posted on 06/17/2011 3:29:43 PM PDT by BigReb555
Do you have any idea what you are talking about.
First when Sherman was in Atlanta, the war was still very much hot and heavy. There had been no surrender.
Second, Atlanta was not "burned" to the ground. Go to Atlanta today and there are still many fine antebellum structures existing. Sherman focused on their 'industrial' and transportation infrastructure.
Wow. Good analogy — up to a point.... Meaning that, whereas I hold a good deal of respect for most of the generals (on both sides) of the Civil War, I have ZERO respect for today’s North Eastern Republicans and Democrats.
Well then I suggest you call Wikki and straighten their asses out!
In 1864, following the capture of Chattanooga, the Union Army moved southward and began its invasion of north Georgia. The region surrounding Atlanta was the location of several major army battles, culminating with the Battle of Atlanta and a four-month-long siege of the city by the Union Army under the command of General William Tecumseh Sherman. On September 1, 1864, Confederate General John Bell Hood made the decision to retreat from Atlanta, ordering all public buildings and possible assets to the Union Army destroyed. On the next day, Mayor James Calhoun surrendered Atlanta to the Union Army, and on September 7, General Sherman ordered the citys civilian population to evacuate. On November 11, 1864, in preparation of the Union Armys march to Savannah, Sherman ordered Atlanta to be burned to the ground, sparing only the citys churches and hospitals.
Also... it was 100 degrees??? Clearly global warming was getting an early start.
Very astute observation!
Better notify Mr Gore!
“Democrat Slavers ways and Democrat Slavers deeds never forgotten and still persist to the day!”
Lemme ax you this, buddy:
If you had no prospects of ever owning a slave—as was true of the vast majority of southerners—would you go and fight for slavery, given the hardships involved?
I can’t think of any sane person who would.
Hood stayed outside the city and continued attacking Sherman's supply lines into the city. The war was far from over.
In November of 1864, Sherman eventually made his decision to leave Atlanta but instead of retreating back to Tennessee, he decided to move his best troops through Georgia to Savannah and to send more than half of his army back to Tennessee to deal with Hood -- who they then completely destroyed because Hood was an idiot.
When Sherman left Atlanta, he burned anything of military value, but the city was not 'burned to the ground' as you claim. Factories and rail yards and such were torched, but most of the city was untouched.
That all happened 6 months before there was any 'surrender' by the Confederates, but Sherman's march through Georgia surely hastened that eventual surrender and saved tens of thousands of lives on both sides.
War is hell.
The city was surrendered! Dude! Sherman decided to burn it! What other city was burnd to the ground after surrender and hostilities ceased! I’m not talking Lee I’m talking the people of Atlanta and the Confederates moved out!
Read the text! What ever you want to think is fine with me> Sherman on a Yankee whim burned Atlanta! It’s history! now go beat another dead horse!
Yeah, ‘’states rights’’. The right of states to own slaves.
Lemme ax you this, buddy:
If you were a 20 year old, why would you think you had no prospects of ever owning a slave? Why wouldn't they think they could become prosperous and own slaves some day?
Were all those Confederate solders just resigned to being poor and underclass the rest of their lives or did they have their own dreams and ambitions?
The Confederacy was never called a "foreign government", since it's legitimacy was never recognized by Unionists -- it was no "government" -- and the word "foreign" doesn't apply.
"Traitors" is a different question, since the US Constitution defines "treason" as:
"The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason..."
Yes, after the war, all was eventually forgiven, and nobody was tried as traitors.
But tell us, FRiend, which part of the word "treason" do you not understand?
Conserev1: "The city was surrendered! Dude! Sherman decided to burn it!
What other city was burnd to the ground after surrender and hostilities ceased! "
First, it's important to remember that Confederate forces invaded & operated in Union states wherever and whenever they had the chance, including: Maryland, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Arizona and others not directly connected, such as New Mexico, Colorado, California and even Vermont.
Jefferson Davis' plan to invade Illinois was canceled only because of Grant's 1862 victories at Forts Henry and Donelson.
Second, while Confederate troops were usually very well behaved within the Confederacy, once outside it, then, well not so much.
They always, like Sherman in Georgia, "lived off the land" and left trails of pillage and destruction along every trip north.
Yes, some of Lee's troops in Pennsylvania did offer to "pay" for their pillage, but it was in Confederate money worthless to northern farmers.
Third, there are very few confirmed reports of Civil War soldiers -- Union or Confederate -- murdering, kidnapping or raping civilians, and certainly not as acts of policy, but most of those reports we do have come from Confederate troops invading Union states.
The biggest example of that came on August 21, 1863, when William Quantrill led Quantrill's Raid into Lawrence, Kansas, killing about 200 unarmed men, plundering and burning the town.
Chambersburg, Pennsylvania is another example, invaded by Confederate forces three different times, each time suffering destruction:
"Among the few buildings left standing was the Masonic Temple, which had been guarded under orders by a Confederate mason.
Norland, the home of Republican politician and editor Alexander McClure, was burned even though it was well north of the main fire.
" 'Remember Chambersburg' soon became a Union battle cry."
Remember, this happened long before General Sherman even thought of marching to Atlanta.
Point is: the idea of "scorched earth" was not a Union invention.
The Confederacy was familiar and practiced it as the occasions arose.
It was all that hot air from Wilson.
The yankees stole my Great-Great Grandmother`s horse and denied her compensation. The Southern Claims Commission said it was because her brothers were Confederates.
There are some in the family today who are still want the horse back............not fourty acres and a mule.....a horse.
Chambersburg was an anomaly that is why it is always "remembered". What are your OTHER examples? For every example you come up with anyone could counter with 100 Yankee examples. So your liberal tactics aren't going to work.
I did not see the word surrendered in your examples.
What right was it that the states wished to retain? It was slavery.
You can paint it over any which way....but slavery was bad and needed to be abolished—north and south.
Anyway, the fight is over and we have bigger fish to fry today. Lets agree to disagree about the causes. Lets agree to work against the current enemy.
To bad the South didn’t have a scorched earth policy too. The South was to weak to make it very far into the North. But a good fantasy would be burning New York and DC to the ground. It would be such fun reading how it was the burned by vacating troops and how war is hell just get over it we won so shut up with the truth. I would love to see the same slough off of history but going the other way.
Chambersburg, Maryland by Jubal Early in July 1864. That was before Sherman took Atlanta.
That's the same kind of sentiment that modern day black leaders use when they blame slavery for all their ills and call for reparations.
The average Confederate soldier gladly took up arms against the New England puritan power structure. It had nothing to do with slavery and everything to do with wanting a separation from haughty New England Yankee stranglehold on the USA. It was a cause looking for an issue. The slavery issue would due, heck any issue would do if it meant a free rifle, free ammo and the killing of Yankees. Heck the thought of killing Yankees right now has a lot of appeal to a lot of people in the South to this day.
You and that turd in your pocket?
There's a very good chance that the horse is dead by now. Your family is aware of that?
They tried: Link. But being Confederate agents, stupid, and inept in that order their attempt failed.
First, it's important to remember that secession and Civil War proceeded in three distinct steps:
At the same time eight other slave-holding states of the Upper South and Border States refused to secede just to protect slavery -- North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee, Arkansas, Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky and Missouri.
In response, newly inaugurated President Lincoln called up Union troops to suppress the rebellion and recover seized Federal properties (i.e., Fort Sumter).
Second, it's important to remember that those categories of Deep South, Upper South and Border States correspond to average percentages of families which owned slaves:
Point is: the vast majority of Confederate troops came from Deep South states or sections of Upper South & Border States with very high percentages of slave-holding families.
Areas of Confederate states with low slave-holding percentages (i.e., western Virginia, eastern Tennessee, western North Carolina, etc.) remained loyal to the Union and provided military units to Union forces.
Thank you, I love that story!
It's true, the claims commissions were far more "hard *ssed" than we would wish today.
Basically, they required for you to be compensated for war losses, that your family had to have served the Union cause during the war, for example by supplying troops to Union units.
So far more applied for compensation than received it.
Of course, since most of the war was fought in Confederate states.
But not all, and whenever Confederate forces had the chance to invade Union states or territories, they did, including the long list of states I mentioned in post #74 above.
In every case, Confederate forces "lived off the land", taking what they needed and often leaving trails of destruction behind them.
Indeed, for many of these operations (i.e., in Ohio, Indiana & Kentucky), their purpose was to gather up as many Union supplies as possible to equip Confederate forces.
If you are truly interested in details, then simply google the words "Civil War" followed by the particular state or territory, and it will explain all the military operations there.
By the way, in post #74, I did mention two specific examples -- Chambersburg and Lawrence Kansas.
So far as I know, they are the worst, but others suffered to lesser degrees.
The undefended city of Chambersburg "surrendered" but still refused to pay the ransom demanded, so it was burned, again.
You're leaning too heavily on that word "surrender", FRiend, and it won't hold the weight of your case.
The truth is, the Confederacy had fewer opportunities to practice "scorched earth", but they did it on occasion, and long before Sherman marched into Georgia.
It is not a problem.
The South fought a gentleman's war against a ruthless rapacious enemy. It should have been an eye for an eye.
Thanks for the link, great story!
I always suspected the NYC 1863 draft riots must have been helped along by Confederate sympathizers -- of whom there were many in New York.
Your link is the first I've seen of actual details of a New York plot.
I especially enjoyed this:
Kennedy was tried by a military commission, found to have been a captain in the Confederate service, and sentenced to death.
He confessed to setting the fire at Barnum's Museum.
Kennedy was hanged at Fort Lafayette on March 25, 1865."
Who would have ever thought, that Robert Kennedy was a Confederate Captain, hanged in New York.
And here all this time I thought Sirhan Sirhan had something to do with it... ;-)
I am tired of listening to your denigrations. Just leave it at that. The speculation is moot. I do it too. We now live in the aftermath(afterbirth) of Lincoln’s war. The republic is dead long live the empire.
You give way too much credit to Confederate "chivalry" or good judgment, or whatever you might call it.
The truth is that Confederate troops typically did as much damage as they could whenever they invaded Union states.
Indeed, that was usually a main purpose of their raids -- to secure supplies for themselves and destroy the Union's facilities.
Sure, the example of Lee in Pennsylvania is often cited, but it was more the exception than the rule for Confederate forces operating in Union states & territories.
Not true, a fairy tail.
I personally wish that were true though....
If any US commander in Iraq or Afghanistan had mutterer the word, "make Fallujah howl" and had done any of the things that the Army of the Tennessee did on a regular basis to civilians, those would be considered war crimes.
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