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8th Grader Arrested Over NRA T-Shirt Argument Now Faces A Year in Jail
The Blaze ^ | 06/15/2013 | Madeleine Morgenstern

Posted on 06/15/2013 3:34:35 PM PDT by Carbonsteel

The West Virginia eight-grader arrested and suspended over his National Rifle Association T-shirt with an image of a firearm is now facing a $500 fine and a year in jail.

A judge is allowing prosecutors to move forward with charging Jared Marcum, 14, with obstructing an officer, WOWK-TV reported.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: West Virginia; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; nea; nra; secondamendment
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WOW!

We just don't have any common sense in this country anymore.

This kid is just 14 years old we're going to destroy his entire life in favor of politically correct idolatry.

I am so sick of free speech only being defended in cases where progressives are involved!

1 posted on 06/15/2013 3:34:35 PM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: Carbonsteel

John Denver is rolling over in his grave.


2 posted on 06/15/2013 3:35:55 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2

Yeah. What happened to “Almost Heaven”?


3 posted on 06/15/2013 3:38:06 PM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: Carbonsteel

It’s only a matter of time until somebody starts sniping.


4 posted on 06/15/2013 3:38:10 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Carbonsteel

We can keep taking it up the wazoo or we can stop them. That is where we are at.


5 posted on 06/15/2013 3:39:29 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Carbonsteel

Why would a Middle Schooler go to jail, even juvy, for not taking off his shirt? Why were police even involved? He is an American citizen, even if he is a kid for crying out loud, not some terrorist from Russia that gets free bed, bread and education.


6 posted on 06/15/2013 3:39:36 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Carbonsteel

7 posted on 06/15/2013 3:39:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: Carbonsteel

BULL$H!7!!!!

I mean just plain Marxist BULL$H!7!!!!


8 posted on 06/15/2013 3:39:49 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: elkfersupper

We’re rapidly approaching the Fourth Box. The Tree of Liberty needs a serious “watering”.


9 posted on 06/15/2013 3:40:00 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: Irenic

We CAN stop them. WOLVERINES!!!!!!


10 posted on 06/15/2013 3:41:29 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

WOLVERINES!!!!!!


11 posted on 06/15/2013 3:42:18 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Carbonsteel
When does the revolution starts...I want to make sure I am on the rights side


12 posted on 06/15/2013 3:46:08 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Carbonsteel
The adults (teachers and law enforcement) behind these kinds of police state actions have lost their grip on reality.

Are they going to start throwing kids in mental hospitals for bringing a pickle, a Slim Jim or a candy bar to school in their lunch? After all - they can be pointed at others just like a finger or a pop-tart.

We are only a step away from the attitudes in the past that led to frontal lobotomies.


13 posted on 06/15/2013 3:48:14 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama-Ville - Land of The Free Stuff, Home of the Enslaved)
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To: Carbonsteel

At some point the war will have to go “hot”.


14 posted on 06/15/2013 3:48:54 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Carbonsteel

We are dealing with authorities out of control at ALL levels!

We need to take names and go after them in the courts.


15 posted on 06/15/2013 3:50:03 PM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Carbonsteel
I think the trial should go through.

I think a jury will stick it to the cop(s), the judge and the system.

Why should a kid be afraid because of a T shirt ?

16 posted on 06/15/2013 3:51:46 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: Carbonsteel

We are well into an era of political crimes defined by the regime and punished accordingly.


17 posted on 06/15/2013 3:52:55 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: IbJensen
"We need to take names and go after them in the courts."

And how best to get them INto court than to have them on court record.

18 posted on 06/15/2013 3:52:56 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: Carbonsteel

This is a situation where the Virginia legislature needs to immediately impeach and remove this judge. Then fire the prosecutor and charge him with civil rights violations.

If we want to take back this country, we need to start on the local and state level and vote conservatives and patriots into office who will protect us from creeping fascism.

In fact, some of you FReepers would make fine legislators on both the local and state levels.


19 posted on 06/15/2013 3:55:11 PM PDT by sergeantdave (No, I don't have links for everything I post)
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To: Carbonsteel

...and some people on this website will continue to defend public education...


20 posted on 06/15/2013 3:55:36 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: knarf

No they wont set it aside for they will be instructed to follow the rules and not know that part of jury work is nullification


21 posted on 06/15/2013 3:59:52 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Carbonsteel

NRA has some good attorneys. They need to hit them hard in the pocket books.


22 posted on 06/15/2013 4:00:25 PM PDT by Mark (Obama is more confused than a hungry baby in a topless bar)
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To: Carbonsteel

If I were this kid, I’d be sorely tempted to sorely tempted to take up serious weight-training for the next two years and, if I got strong enough to bench 300 lbs, I’d come back and break the principal’s bones.

I will say this once again, the North American progressives have not changed in 100 years. They are the same progressives that ran Nazi Germany and Communist Russia. They want to drain conservatives of all possible resources and eventually kill the conservatives that stand in their way.

They are at war with conservatives, even if conservatives cannot recognize it, and they want you dead.


23 posted on 06/15/2013 4:01:18 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: IbJensen
We need to take names and go after them in the courts. The courts are part of the problem and on their side. The sooner we who "get" this the sooner the problem will start to be solved
24 posted on 06/15/2013 4:02:00 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
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To: Iron Munro

They have not lost a grip on reality. They are actively trying to change the culture so that the culture becomes unfamiliar with guns, just as they have done everywhere else.


25 posted on 06/15/2013 4:02:19 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Carbonsteel

The judge in this case is a black robed terrorist!


26 posted on 06/15/2013 4:02:24 PM PDT by government is the beast (In the last century, an estimated 262 million people have been murderd by their own government)
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To: clamper1797

We need to take names and go after them in the courts. The courts are part of the problem and on their side. The sooner we who “get” start to do “something” about it the sooner the problem will start to be solved


27 posted on 06/15/2013 4:03:34 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
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To: sergeantdave

I’ve been saying that the battleground is everywhere there is a seat up for election, whether it be city, county, state, or Congress.


28 posted on 06/15/2013 4:03:35 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: darkwing104

which side of you are you on


29 posted on 06/15/2013 4:03:54 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: clamper1797
We need to take names and go after them in the courts. The courts are part of the problem and on their side.

Sorry, but this does not make sense to me, unless you mean the basketball, tennis or racquetball courts.

Even so, that does not make sense to me.

30 posted on 06/15/2013 4:08:09 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Carbonsteel
Logan County School Board

I say lets send these folks a few "nice" letters to ceast and desist. Flood their faxes.

31 posted on 06/15/2013 4:08:26 PM PDT by chemicalman (The more support I see,the harder I want to work,and the more determined I am not to let folks down.)
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To: JimSEA

Next logical step after “Political crimes” is criminal punishment. Arrests, forced reeducation is already here, it is euphemistically referred to as “sensitivity training”.

Next step is incarceration for political crimes against the state.

Tipping point. The fact that our society has not reached the tipping point and openly rebelled should tell us that we are in very deep guano, with low odds of getting out.


32 posted on 06/15/2013 4:08:47 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Carbonsteel

If they are talking jail time, then they are trying him as an adult. Watch the judge try to narrow the jury’s scope and even come up with a directed verdict should the jury try to nullify. Insanity!


33 posted on 06/15/2013 4:11:24 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: Carbonsteel
From the article:

After Marcum was suspended from school, he returned to class wearing the exact same shirt, as did other students in a show of solidarity.

Kind of makes you feel a little better, eh? BUT... it seems the article is saying the teacher started the ruckus but the only the kid got in trouble.

Yup, I think he's got a case against the school and the cops. I hope he sues them personally (civil court).

34 posted on 06/15/2013 4:11:53 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: elkfersupper
I meant ... We need to take names and go after them in the courts.
35 posted on 06/15/2013 4:11:56 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
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To: Carbonsteel

Would be a totally different story if the T-Shirt did NOT have a huge picture of a gun on it.

I hear laments about common sense not being employed in school, but the lack of common sense has to at least be partially laid at the students feet here.

Yes, I expect to get blasted - for using common sense.


36 posted on 06/15/2013 4:12:39 PM PDT by SengirV
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Jones v. Alfred H. Mayer Co. (1967), 379 F.2d 33, 43.

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37 posted on 06/15/2013 4:15:02 PM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: Carbonsteel

Who came up with these asinine regulations?

Some kid points his finger and he’s tossed in a cell-block..., well it almost seems like it.

As you said, common sense is very uncommon.


38 posted on 06/15/2013 4:16:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: Carbonsteel

I remember when this was a free country.


39 posted on 06/15/2013 4:17:52 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Carbonsteel

If they sent my 14 year old kid to jail for a year for wearing an NRA T shirt, I would go postal.


40 posted on 06/15/2013 4:18:42 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

I wish every parent would pull their kids out of this particular school. This principal is unstable and unworthy of his authority.


41 posted on 06/15/2013 4:20:18 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Carbonsteel

Dang! I want to get a shirt like the kid is wearing in the article. Visited the NRA site but couldn’t find it.


42 posted on 06/15/2013 4:20:30 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Carbonsteel

What is needed is for every kid in that school to show up wearing the same shirt.

EVERY DAY.

Clownward and Privitt: “Overwhelm the system.”


43 posted on 06/15/2013 4:21:13 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslymz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: carriage_hill
We’re rapidly approaching the Fourth Box. The Tree of Liberty needs a serious “watering”.

A judge is allowing prosecutors to move forward with charging Jared Marcum, 14, with obstructing an officer, WOWK-TV reported.

When the time comes, and it will soon, we must start with the local judges and prosecuters. These mini-gods must go.

44 posted on 06/15/2013 4:28:01 PM PDT by cayuga (A gov't that can take your AR-15 can take anything else it wants.)
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To: Carbonsteel
...but burning the US Flag is "freedom of speech".

Western Civilization is in an advanced stage of decay.

45 posted on 06/15/2013 4:30:04 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("'1984' is the essence of 'liberalism'." rlmorel)
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To: cayuga

100%


46 posted on 06/15/2013 4:30:51 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: Carbonsteel

As described, this is approaching or crossing the “under color of law” standard.


47 posted on 06/15/2013 4:36:26 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Carbonsteel

Bring a counter suit for deprivation of civil rights...


48 posted on 06/15/2013 4:39:42 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Carbonsteel

Why not Che Guerva shirt be banned. Or Mao, Stalin, Hitler Pol Pot and other dictators. NRA - Nuts Running America is the acroynm for the USA rudderless political leadership.


49 posted on 06/15/2013 4:43:51 PM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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The boy upset a petulant, statist jackass by being chatty.


50 posted on 06/15/2013 4:44:35 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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