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Racially Biased Arrests for Pot
New York Times ^ | June 15, 2013 | By Editorial Board

Posted on 06/15/2013 10:43:07 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

Researchers have long known that African-Americans are more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession than whites, even though studies have repeatedly shown that the two groups use the drug at similar rates.

New federal data, included in a study by the American Civil Liberties Union, now shows that the problem of racially biased arrests is far more extensive that was previously known — and is getting worse. The costly, ill-advised “war on marijuana” might fairly be described as a tool of racial oppression.

The study, based on law enforcement data from 50 states and the District of Columbia, is the most detailed of its kind so far. Marijuana arrests have risen sharply over the last two decades and now make up about half of all drug arrests in the United States. Of the more than eight million marijuana arrests made between 2001 and 2010, nearly 90 percent were for possession. There were nearly 900,000 marijuana arrests in 2010 — 300,000 more than for all violent crimes combined.

Nationally, African-Americans are nearly four times as likely to be arrested for marijuana possession as whites. The disparity is even more pronounced in some states, including Illinois, Iowa and Minnesota, where African-Americans are about eight times as likely to be arrested. And in some counties around the country, blacks are 10, 15 or even 30 times as likely to be arrested. . .

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I suspect a lot of these marijuana arrests are related to gangs which are more prevalent in the Black community than elsewhere. In other cases marijuana charges could be secondary to the intent of the authorities' raid and warrant. The police arrest a man for murder and find pot in his house. Crime stats for 2010 had Blacks committing 14.82 murders per 100,000 populations versus 2.17 per 100,000 for whites.
1 posted on 06/15/2013 10:43:07 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I need a more reliable source than a blog called The New York Times.


2 posted on 06/15/2013 10:46:07 PM PDT by Mark (Obama is more confused than a hungry baby in a topless bar)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

0bama’s peeps need to get their act together.


3 posted on 06/15/2013 10:49:55 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I’m beyond caring what happens to blacks as opposed to what happens to anyone else. That card/complaint has been played so often that it’s lost its relevance. We’ve been listening, and responding, to it for over 50 years.


4 posted on 06/15/2013 10:50:32 PM PDT by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

i agree.


5 posted on 06/15/2013 10:55:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Who sells it?


6 posted on 06/15/2013 10:57:15 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Mark

A blog called the NYT, how funny is that !

If 90 percent of the marijuana sold is sold to blacks, maybe they will have more arrests for it. One of my kids was arrested for it, and my kids aren’t black. Its a money driver for local townships. The fines were almost a 1000 dollars. Then add in the lawyers. About 2000 bucks for a joint. NYT can kiss my .....


7 posted on 06/15/2013 10:57:45 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Racially biased arrests for murder...assault ...robbery.....


8 posted on 06/15/2013 11:03:23 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Brad from Tennessee

A lot of drug busts are used merely to violate the perp’s parole on another matter, so it is disinginuous to say this total number of people are behind bars just for drugs.


9 posted on 06/15/2013 11:04:23 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

During law school, possibly the most informative bit of instruction in a substantive criminal law seminar was during a visit by an undercover narcotics squad member. He explained methods of operation, surveillance and interdiction of drug gangs in the Janesville WI/Rockford IL area. In typical fashion, one student asked the officer how he liked oppressing people of color by arresting so many blacks for being involved in the drug trade. The officer carefully explained that there was no conscious effort to arrest more blacks (than Hispanics, whites or Asians), but that because their business methods were so unsophisticated, it was much easier to apprehend blacks engaged in the same type of drug trade. He said the kind of transactions that white and Hispanic organized crime would conduct discretely, black drug merchants would do out in the open, making them exceptionally easy to arrest.


10 posted on 06/15/2013 11:15:13 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Frankly Brad I don’t care

From what I have seen black criminals have crap IQs and get caught...a lot even their communities tolerate drug commerce....largely

If it helps...I saw dozens of profile stop Bonnaroo busts last week on 24....840....and ...65

All whites kids....cops in my opinion... acting like JBTs looking for concert dope

Not one black


11 posted on 06/15/2013 11:15:56 PM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Ha! Love that new tagline of yours!


12 posted on 06/15/2013 11:25:53 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: wardaddy; Brad from Tennessee
Bonnaroo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


13 posted on 06/15/2013 11:30:34 PM PDT by BBell (And Now for Something Completely Different)
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To: Brad from Tennessee; All

In Washington, DC this spring, a white lawyer who mainly defends young black men for marijuana crimes was running for office. He pointed out that many of these were first time arrests, and that there were 2 1/2 time as many youth arrested for MJ as are graduating from High School in DC. He said a lot of these were simple possession for personal use arrests. Now there is a move in the DC Council to decriminalize MJ. I don’t know how typical this is of other cities with significant black populations.


14 posted on 06/15/2013 11:31:27 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
but that because their business methods were so unsophisticated, it was much easier to apprehend blacks engaged in the same type of drug trade. He said the kind of transactions that white and Hispanic organized crime would conduct discretely, black drug merchants would do out in the open, making them exceptionally easy to arrest.

Yep, a casual dude selling Cocaine powder to secretaries, versus a Crack House with barred windows, a special metal door with a slit that says ARMED CRACK DEALERS, GUNS, PSYCHO KILLERS, PIT BULLS, EXPLOITED HOOKERS AND UNDERAGE GIRLS, DEATH, VIOLENCE, AND DRUGS!!!!!!!! all at this little house that this entire neighborhood is terrified of.

15 posted on 06/15/2013 11:45:05 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Re: “ Nationally, African-Americans are nearly four times as likely to be arrested for marijuana possession as whites.”

I’m surprised it’s not higher.

I’ll bet 90% of possession arrests involve some other crime like DUI, outstanding warrants, or parole and probation violations.

My family was in the beach hotel business for 30 years in Florida.

Unless a serious crime has been committed, the beach cops just make kids dump their marijuana in the street or in the toilet.

But if you curse the officers or get physical, then it’s straight to jail.


16 posted on 06/15/2013 11:55:43 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Brad from Tennessee

From someone with a background in subprime auto finance I can guarantee you....blacks are 4 times as likely as whites to be driving with unlicensed, unregistered, uninspected cars that get pulled over and become drug charges. Not racism, reality.


17 posted on 06/16/2013 12:07:02 AM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I wonder if they’ll clue us in to the abortion rate of Black Women to White women and point out the Racism there.


18 posted on 06/16/2013 12:31:33 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Brad from Tennessee

A Canadian is 10 trillion times more likely to get his teeth knocked out by a hockey puck than an Egyptian mummy.


19 posted on 06/16/2013 1:23:36 AM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: Mark

The New York times is the publicly agent for the DNC.


20 posted on 06/16/2013 1:27:12 AM PDT by NoLibZone (None here can be puzzled by why Jews walked into the cars so quietly-we are walking up the planks.)
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To: NoLibZone

I lievez that you wromng


21 posted on 06/16/2013 1:29:24 AM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: zeestephen

>>But if you curse the officers or get physical, then it’s straight to jail.

And of course the whole ghetto urban black tough guy persona has to be a complete ***hole to a white cop just to keep the persona consistent. But according to this NY Times blog, it’s just racism that causes blacks to get convicted for MJ crimes at vastly higher rates than whites. They refuse to consider other factors.

For me, the crime that really puts the lie to the “blacks are the victims of racism from the law enforcement and justice system” nonsense is murder. Murder leaves behind physical proof of the event by definition. The brutal reality is we KNOW blacks commit murder at a rate that is a multiple of white murder rates. No sane person can argue whites just aren’t being brought to justice, as there simply isn’t a large pile of bodies from unsolved murders that would allow the murder rate numbers to be similar if only whites were being brought to justice.

Given this, why shouldn’t I expect blacks to be committing crimes at greater rates overall in other areas, despite claims from slanted blogs like the NY Times that “studies have repeatedly shown that the two groups use the drug at similar rates.”


22 posted on 06/16/2013 1:48:17 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: haroldeveryman

‘A Canadian is 10 trillion times more likely to get his teeth knocked out by a hockey puck than an Egyptian mummy.’

AW HARRY..cut it out with the whitey honky logic wooddja ?...with tactics like that you’ll never become a lib in all yer life....on the other hand i will say what you said is prescient indeed..good on ya, lad.


23 posted on 06/16/2013 2:26:59 AM PDT by jimsin (a)
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To: ansel12

"He got weed, he got weed!"

24 posted on 06/16/2013 3:21:11 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

LOL! Perfect!

For those who don’t know the origin of that pic:

Chris Rock How not to get your *** kicked by the police
http://youtu.be/rHhKIyAk69g


25 posted on 06/16/2013 3:37:30 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
The costly, ill-advised “war on marijuana poverty” might fairly be described as a tool of racial oppression.

There, fixed it.

26 posted on 06/16/2013 3:42:44 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Here's a remarkable and novel idea: Leave the drugs alone and the likelihood of arrest will drop dramatically.
27 posted on 06/16/2013 4:05:49 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: LouAvul

Making excuses for irresponsibility and rewarding this irresponsibility every day for 50 years


28 posted on 06/16/2013 4:08:39 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (yesterdays conspiracies are todays truths)
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To: PA-RIVER

The former “land of the free” is now a risk free zone, of the lawyers, by the lawyers, and for the lawyers. Too many do-gooders.


29 posted on 06/16/2013 5:11:05 AM PDT by wrencher
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To: umgud

Liberals are known for axe grinding, not logic. Their attempts at logical thinking are just rationalizing, decide what conclusion you wish to draw from the facts and then discard anything that challenges that conclusion in any way, then insist that anyone who points out your errors is too dumb to understand your brilliant thinking. Anyone who says that you should begin again from the starting point and examine your basic premises is probably a RAAAACCCIIIISSSTTT!


30 posted on 06/16/2013 5:24:30 AM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: haroldeveryman

“A Canadian is 10 trillion times more likely to get his teeth knocked out by a hockey puck than an Egyptian mummy.”
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Yep, can’t say that I have ever heard of a Canadian or anyone else getting his teeth knocked out by an Egyptian mummy.


31 posted on 06/16/2013 5:37:50 AM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Blah, blah, blah - poor, poor blacks are just not responsible for anything they do.


32 posted on 06/16/2013 5:43:27 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Wally_Kalbacken; USNBandit
The officer carefully explained that there was no conscious effort to arrest more blacks (than Hispanics, whites or Asians), but that because their business methods were so unsophisticated, it was much easier to apprehend blacks engaged in the same type of drug trade. He said the kind of transactions that white and Hispanic organized crime would conduct discretely, black drug merchants would do out in the open, making them exceptionally easy to arrest.

I never saw the skit, but I've read that Cheech and Chong had a pretty funny routine on the theme, "take it indoors, man." The moral was very much along the lines of the Chris Rock "how not to get your *** kicked by the police" piece.

I live in the city in a now heavily gentrified area, but with plenty of local hot spots still around. What goes on behind closed doors is one thing, and may or may not create a public nuisance or hazard. But what happens on the street, on the sidewalks, and in the playgrounds, is everyone's business. I am all in favor of the police aggressively harassing the open air drug dealers and the gang members loitering on the corner. I don't care what color they are. If they are too stupid to at least go indoors, lock 'em up.

Yes, I'm aware that plenty of white and Hispanic folks use drugs. But somehow, this part of the trade somehow manages to function without open air drug markets and driveby shootings with frequent casualties among innocent bystanders. Big difference.

33 posted on 06/16/2013 6:00:03 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: haroldeveryman

Hah hah ... that’s great. My morning just got funnier.


34 posted on 06/16/2013 6:01:50 AM PDT by BillyBonebrake
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Quit arresting blacks for anything until the populace that they terrorize scream for mercy.
35 posted on 06/16/2013 6:21:44 AM PDT by OSHA (One despises and wants to destroy the United States, the other is a dead terrorist.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee; All

How about Blacks stop using pot...and stop Blaming Whitey for everything...then you see the arrests go down.


36 posted on 06/16/2013 7:21:52 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Don't Blame Me For La Raza Rubio....I Voted For Alex Snitker)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

If you are selling drugs openly on a street corner in an area known for drug dealing, your probability of being arrested for drugs is far higher than a white who doesn’t traffic openly on the street.

Many trafficking charges are pled down to possession so it appears that the person was simply a user, not a dealer.

White marijuana users and dealers are much more secretive about their participation in illegal drug use of all kinds.


37 posted on 06/16/2013 10:42:40 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: wildbill
[Many trafficking charges are pled down to possession so it appears that the person was simply a user, not a dealer.]

Organized black drug gangs in major cities station street dealers in a specific spot. These guys sell small quantities—single joints and small packets (sometimes match boxes) of loose marijuana. The dealer keeps a limited quantity of product on his person. When he has sold that quantity to various customers a runner delivers more product to him and collects his cash. There are many clever variations on this technique but it limits the dealer's criminal liability.

38 posted on 06/16/2013 10:58:32 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

And these street corners are considered valuable proprietary ‘turf’ and are defended against rivals by any means up to murder. A lot of the gang violence is over these turf wars.

Location, location, location.


39 posted on 06/16/2013 11:02:20 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Might that be because they are four times more likely to be in possession of pot? Or that their behavior when in possession draws more police attention? Or do the cops let most of the whites in possession go free?


40 posted on 06/16/2013 11:50:56 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Brad from Tennessee; Revolting cat!
Researchers have long known that African-Americans are more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession than Al Gore Junior's son...

It's simple science.

41 posted on 06/16/2013 1:12:17 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: JimRed

Smoking at home vs. schmokin’ while rollin’...


42 posted on 06/16/2013 1:13:00 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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