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Snowden: Classified US data shows Hong Kong hacking targets
South China Morning Post ^ | 06/16/2013 | Lana Lam

Posted on 06/16/2013 8:14:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Classified US government data shown to the South China Morning Post by whistle-blower Edward Snowden has provided a rare insight into the effectiveness of Washington's top-secret global cyberspying programme.

New details about the data can be revealed by the Post after further analysis of information Snowden divulged during an exclusive interview on Wednesday in which the former CIA computer analyst exposed extensive hacking by the US in Hong Kong and the mainland.

The FBI said yesterday it had launched a criminal investigation and was taking "all necessary steps" to prosecute Snowden for exposing secret US surveillance programmes.

FBI Director Robert Mueller told the House Judiciary Committee: "These disclosures have caused significant harm to our nation and to our safety. We are taking all necessary steps to hold the person responsible for these disclosures," he said.

Snowden, the man behind explosive leaks of information on the US government's Prism programme that collected phone and web data from its citizens, has pledged to stay in Hong Kong to fight any attempts by his government to have him extradited.

The detailed records - which cannot be independently verified - show specific dates and the IP addresses of computers in Hong Kong and on the mainland hacked by the National Security Agency over a four-year period.

They also include information indicating whether an attack on a computer was ongoing or had been completed, along with an amount of additional operational information.

The small sample data suggests secret and illegal NSA attacks on Hong Kong computers had a success rate of more than 75 per cent, according to the documents. The information only pertains to attacks on civilian computers with no reference to Chinese military operations, Snowden said.

"I don't know what specific information they were looking for on these machines, only that using technical exploits to gain unauthorised access to civilian machines is a violation of law. It's ethically dubious," Snowden said in the interview on Wednesday.

Snowden, who came to Hong Kong on May 20 and has been in hiding since, said the data points to the frequency and nature of how NSA operatives were able to successfully hack into servers and computers, with specific reference to machines in Hong Kong and on the mainland.

According to a New York Times report yesterday, US government lawyers, working with their counterparts in Hong Kong, are understood to have identified several dozen criminal offences with which Snowden could be charged under both Hong Kong and American laws. One of the targets Snowden revealed was Chinese University, home to the Hong Kong Internet Exchange which is a central hub of servers through which all web traffic in the city passes.

A university spokeswoman said yesterday that staff had not detected any attacks to its "backbone network".

Yesterday's revelation that the US was secretly hacking computers in Hong Kong and on the mainland sent shockwaves around the world and came just days after Snowden first exposed the Prism programme to The Guardian newspaper in Britain.

"The primary issue of public importance to Hong Kong and mainland China should be that the NSA is illegally seizing the communications of tens of millions of individuals without any individualised suspicion of wrongdoing," Snowden said. "They simply steal everything so they can search for any topics of interest."

Snowden's most recent job was as an NSA contractor with Booz Allen Hamilton but he was fired shortly after he identified himself on Sunday as the source of one of the most significant leaks in US history.

Formal charges are the first necessary step that would prompt an extradition request to the Hong Kong government.

Snowden could find himself at the centre of a diplomatic storm between Washington and Beijing as he has explicitly chosen to seek refuge in Hong Kong, a move that will test the Sino-US relationship. He said he had chosen Hong Kong because he believed the city's semi-autonomous status and rule of law would protect him from attempts to extradite him to the US.

It is understood that Snowden arrived in Hong Kong after leaving his home in Hawaii, telling his girlfriend that he would be away for a few weeks.

He stayed at the Mira Hotel in Tsim Sha Tsui before checking out on Monday and has been in hiding since.

Snowden said he has not spoken to his family since the revelations were made and lives in constant fear for his own safety.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: benghazi; china; fastandfurious; hacking; hongkong; impeachnow; irs; nsa; nsahacking; snowden
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1 posted on 06/16/2013 8:14:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

American citizens not going to get excited about the NSA monitoring foreign Governments or foreign entities.


2 posted on 06/16/2013 8:18:21 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: SeekAndFind
I had at least a fair amount of respect for this guy until I heard it said that he was thinking of defecting to China.If he does that I’d *personally” volunteer to fly to Hong Kong,hop a train to whatever filthy part of China he’s fled to and give him “two in the hat”.Or maybe even twenty.
3 posted on 06/16/2013 8:21:58 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: PGR88

PGR88: “American citizens not going to get excited about the NSA monitoring foreign Governments or foreign entities.”

Agreed. Other nations spy on the US, and we should spy on them. I thought Snowden was a hero when he revealed the US government was spying on its own citizens. If he’s providing intelligence to the Chinese, who are clearly involved in massive intelligence gathering against the US government and businesses, then he’s a traitor.

During the Cold War, would Snowden have went to the KGB and given them evidence the US was spying on the USSR? That’s a similar situation. They were spying on us, and we were spying on them.

I suppose espionage wouldn’t exist in an ideal world, but other nations aren’t going to stop spying on us if we stop spying on them.


4 posted on 06/16/2013 8:33:47 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Every time I hear the question asked is Snowden a hero or a villain I say he’s both. Leaning toward the latter with this info. I’m very glad we’ve learned what is going on yet I do not trust this young man.


5 posted on 06/16/2013 8:34:53 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SeekAndFind


Pot!


Kettle!!


6 posted on 06/16/2013 8:37:48 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: PGR88
American citizens not going to get excited about the NSA monitoring foreign Governments or foreign entities.

I am in Thailand and since you are reading this the NSA can now 'legally' monitor your communications. Enjoy.

7 posted on 06/16/2013 8:38:43 AM PDT by killjoy (Life sucks, wear a helmet.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So he tells on spying of US citizens, then disappears for a day or so, and VOILA! tells about spying on China. He has not made it more difficult for people of good will to support him. This is what we pay NSA to do- spy on our enemies. China is our enemy. /probably preaching to the choir, so ignore me...


8 posted on 06/16/2013 8:42:25 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The FBI said yesterday it had launched a criminal investigation and was taking “all necessary steps” to prosecute Snowden for exposing secret US surveillance programmes.

PuhLeeze!!! What frickin things, products, ideas or, programs has he revealed of any significance???

I have been asking for a week and to date no one has pointed out anything other than he revealed a name of a presumed or known program.

Why is Snowjob the shinny object for everyone’s amusement?

No one is asking and I actually have some answers but, no one is asking?

Why?

No, I will not reveal my thoughts on Snowjob. I want critical and deep thinking on others part, as to why he is a supposed traitor????

Really?

What did he reveal?


9 posted on 06/16/2013 8:43:12 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SeekAndFind

Snowden is just making certain the Chinese won’t extradite him.

I’m not able to come up with any other location other than Russia and Hong Kong(China)where he would not get extradited.

Well, perhaps some hideous rat hole somewhere.


10 posted on 06/16/2013 9:00:37 AM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: CitizenUSA

[During the Cold War, would Snowden have went to the KGB and given them evidence the US was spying on the USSR? That’s a similar situation.]

Snowden’s generation of demoralized McSheeple know nothing more about the Cold War than what their tattooed, face-metal adorned, communist NEA indoctrinators fed them.


11 posted on 06/16/2013 9:02:06 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: Bobalu

Russia and China are the only two countries I can think of that can stand up to American “bullying” ( for want of a better word ).

Even Switzerland CAVED to the IRS and revealed the names of American bank account holders.


12 posted on 06/16/2013 9:02:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Bobalu

RE: Well, perhaps some hideous rat hole somewhere.

Iran and North Korea are the other two that come to mind, but who would want to live there?


13 posted on 06/16/2013 9:03:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: PGR88
The revelation here is that they are not just monitoring and recording domestic and foreign phone calls, text messages, and all other forms of electronic communications and meta-data... they are also hacking into private citizen's computers. My expectation is that they have the same lax oversight regarding searches of hard drives of domestic computers owned by United States citizens.

If this revelation of blatant violations of protections guaranteed by our constitutions 4th amendment is not worrisome to people here... I have to believe that some of the posts that seem to be advocating murdering the whistle blower are... from well... plants. My expectation is that being a member of Free Republic is more than enough justification for this administration to search you hard drive.

14 posted on 06/16/2013 9:06:57 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I read this as Snowden letting his hosts know that the NSA is spying on them so as to decrease the chance that they will agree to extradite him. He would be of little use to his cause sitting in a U.S. prison. Note that he does not provide IP addresses. He is protecting his person.


15 posted on 06/16/2013 9:09:19 AM PDT by Kennard
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To: Gay State Conservative

Enough is enough. Would someone round up this guy already?


16 posted on 06/16/2013 9:16:54 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Gay State Conservative

Good idea. That way we won’t have the bother of a fair trial.

The discovery process can be sooooooo messy...


17 posted on 06/16/2013 9:25:20 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I’d *personally” volunteer to fly to Hong Kong,hop a train to whatever filthy part of China he’s fled to and give him “two in the hat”.Or maybe even twenty.

Good idea. That way we won't have the bother of a fair trial.

The discovery process can be sooooooo messy...

18 posted on 06/16/2013 9:26:12 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Bobalu
I’m not able to come up with any other location other than Russia and Hong Kong(China)where he would not get extradited.

His options are rather limited.

We even have FReeprs who would murder him on sight, rather than risk a fair trial (and what the discovery process would do to the obama regime).

19 posted on 06/16/2013 9:31:26 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I had at least a fair amount of respect for this guy until I heard it said that he was thinking of defecting to China.If he does that I’d *personally” volunteer to fly to Hong Kong,hop a train to whatever filthy part of China he’s fled to and give him “two in the hat”.Or maybe even twenty.

The places where he might remain safe are limited. Might be bargaining for his life.

20 posted on 06/16/2013 9:34:00 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: null and void

He may have chosen Hong Kong partially because they do have an extradition agreement with the United States that may require a highly publicised trial.


21 posted on 06/16/2013 9:37:11 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Bobalu

>>Snowden is just making certain the Chinese won’t extradite him.

Exactly right. In my view, Where could he go in the US/ Congress/ to testify. They mostly have been building that monster of a complex in Harry Reid’s state. They knew about this snooping on the US citizens. Orrin Hatch is bragging about this all being done. This entire snooping goes back to Bush though the leaker says in the past few months (beginning OCT 2012), Obama began huge expansions of abusing privacy rights) He’s the 3rd leaker that’s given us a warning about the NSA. They didn’t even know about the Boston terrorists as they went back/forth to their home country and of the fact they meet with questionable people who are connected to a terror group. But they are protecting us with our data/calls and emails.


22 posted on 06/16/2013 9:40:46 AM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: fireman15

I don’t think he’ll live to see the inside of an American courtroom.

Even if it takes “terrorists” blowing a fully loaded 747 out of the sky in mid-pacific.


23 posted on 06/16/2013 9:41:30 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Christie at the beach
They mostly have been building that monster of a complex in Harry Reid’s state.

Utah?

24 posted on 06/16/2013 9:42:48 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: null and void

>>>They mostly have been building that monster of a complex in Harry Reid’s state.
Utah?

That is wrong. My bad. I just thought of Reid defending the complex. Thanks for pointing that out.


25 posted on 06/16/2013 9:45:10 AM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: SeekAndFind

Well it’s not surprising that he did this, almost expected really if you think about it. He obviously had two goals when he did this, the first was to expose the illegal spying on US citizens (even if Congress says its legal it still is illegal according to the constitution) the second was to stay alive and out of US custody after doing the first. The only way to achieve the second goal is by having something that another country wants bad enough to tell the US to take a hike. It becomes very difficult for Hong Kong to turn this guy over now that they’ve lost face like this, the anger at the US is growing over seas more so then here in the US because of this.

And for those that have not been following this here is a little taste of how this works:

The NSA has been working with all the major software developers for over a decade to put back doors into their software, chief among those is Microsoft but more than likely every anti-virus or security related program has built into it a means for the government to walk right in and take what they want from your computer.

The NSA has also been working with the major hardware developers to do this exact same thing, Intel, AMD, Broadcomm, you name it they probably have added little goodies so that all your computers, phones, tablets etc have some way for the government to access your systems (anyone remember the clipper chip? that didn’t go away). This also includes all the routers being built by Juniper and Cisco.

All the service providers (ISP, wireless and phone companies) have a room where they’ve placed what amounts to a tap on all your communications (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-06/nsa-att-and-secrets-room-641a). They’ve also compromised the public keying certificate authorities (Verisign, etc).

All the social sights like tweeter and facebook along with the search engines like google and yahoo are also sucking up and passing data back to the NSA.

What does all this mean? Well it means that even your secure (e.i., encrypted) communications with you bank or any other communications you thought was private is completely open to the NSA. They don’t even have to break a sweat or any crypto key to see what you’re doing on line. Even the internet anonymity services like Tor are totally useless as the NSA is right in the middle of the secure link listening in.

The problem for most countries is that all these US based products are so totally compromised that they have no way of assuring that any of their communications is not being listened to by the NSA (and most likely is). I predict that there will be a concerted effort now to move away from US based products world wide. The hit to our economy from this will be enormous, about as large as the hit we as US citizens have taken in the violation of our constitutional rights.


26 posted on 06/16/2013 9:53:13 AM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: Christie at the beach
No problem. Reid would host it in a heartbeat if he could.

Perhaps some day you can return the favor?

27 posted on 06/16/2013 9:53:41 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: trapped_in_LA

Yes, and I would venture that any electronics made in China also has Chinese back doors installed.


28 posted on 06/16/2013 9:56:54 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: fireman15

He may have chosen Hong Kong partially because they do have an extradition agreement with the United States that may require a highly publicised trial.


I agree. He’s setting traps. I get the feeling the next bomb to drop will be proof of RAT electronic election fraud.


29 posted on 06/16/2013 9:58:02 AM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: null and void

“Yes, and I would venture that any electronics made in China also has Chinese back doors installed.”

Oh that goes without saying, there is a huge problem with counterfeit routers (Cisco, Juniper you name it) that are very good clones of the real thing but may have extra little goodies that the Chinese have put into them. Also things like mother boards, ethernet cards, USB drives are compromised to one extent or another.

But that’s really besides the point, the point is that the US government has become Big Brother and can use all this data collected to identify and destroy anyone that happens to make them mad. There is a reason that no one in the FBI is investigating the IRS abuses. We are all now sheep waiting our turn to be sheared and all you’re words typed into the internet will come back to haunt you.


30 posted on 06/16/2013 10:09:32 AM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: txhurl
I agree. He’s setting traps. I get the feeling the next bomb to drop will be proof of RAT electronic election fraud.

We can hope... but if that is the case... lets hope he has set up some system that will release the info upon his untimely demise. He will no doubt suffer the same fate as Chicago Choir Director Donald Young, or Andrew Breitbart. We have already heard he has some health problems.

31 posted on 06/16/2013 10:14:28 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: fireman15

Don’t forget Lieutenant Quarls.


32 posted on 06/16/2013 10:20:01 AM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: txhurl

And most likely an untold number of others. That it is why it is so natural for him to be personally deciding who gets taken out by our drone program. He is a power hungery megalomaniac who gets off on deciding who lives and dies. If he thinks that they can control this thing by killing Snowden... he may already be dead. And we will have a whole crowd of people defending Obama.


33 posted on 06/16/2013 10:33:59 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: null and void; trebb
Good idea. That way we won't have the bother of a fair trial.

I'd be willing to listen to him *up until* the point you defect to China,NK,etc.At *that* point you lose your right to draw breath.Sorry if you disagree.

34 posted on 06/16/2013 11:07:13 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Nice. So if an enemy government says you told them something I can kill you on the spot?

No need for a trial when vigilante justice is sooooo, sooooo seductive.


35 posted on 06/16/2013 11:13:52 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: null and void
Nice. So if an enemy government says you told them something I can kill you on the spot?

If you ever seek "political asylum" in China for *any* reason I'll shoot ya.More than once.I've done a fair amount of reading about China.I've studied Tienanmen Square.I've been to China,more than once.I've dealt with Chinese officialdom.The only reason I'd ever choose asylum in China over life in Levenworth is because I've turned into a completely filthy loathsome creature.And that goes for any other Westerner who makes the same choice.

Yup,in the same circumstances we're talking about with this guy I'd shoot ya!

36 posted on 06/16/2013 11:22:27 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: null and void
We even have FReeprs who would murder him on sight,

Those aren't Freepers, they are NSA operatives. They're everywhere these days.

37 posted on 06/16/2013 11:35:18 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Yup,in the same circumstances we're talking about with this guy I'd shoot ya!

So... it would be like a mercy killing ?

38 posted on 06/16/2013 11:45:03 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Get back to me in a year or so. On the current trajectory even to you China just might look like a step up from Massachusetts or anywhere within the reach of obama and holder.

Assuming either of us hasn't been 'disappeared' by then, of course.

Remember Huế?

39 posted on 06/16/2013 11:46:23 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: UCANSEE2

More like a very late term abortion, so China wouldn’t be punished with an American...


40 posted on 06/16/2013 11:47:25 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I'd be willing to listen to him *up until* the point you defect to China,NK,etc.

So... where would you go ?

41 posted on 06/16/2013 11:53:47 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Vendome; SeekAndFind
What did he reveal?

That there is no law protecting 'whistleblowers', and basically there is no longer any 'law' in the United States.

42 posted on 06/16/2013 11:58:09 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2; Gay State Conservative
Why would he leave? He's HAPPY, oh so happy, oh so happy, and witty, and Gay (State Conservative) here!
43 posted on 06/16/2013 11:58:27 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: SeekAndFind; Bobalu
but who would want to live there?

It's not a case of 'want', it's a case of 'need'.

I wouldn't want to live in a storm cellar, but when a tornado comes by, you need to go there.

44 posted on 06/16/2013 12:00:13 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: KC_Conspirator
Would someone round up this guy already?

They don't want to round him up.

There are two scenarios.

If he's telling the truth, they want him dead.

If he's just a decoy to distract the public, after he's served his usefullness, they will kill him.

45 posted on 06/16/2013 12:04:07 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2
So... where would you go ?

If this guy was motivated by a desire to inform the American people about government abuses...as was,IIRC,his initial claim...he'd have to know that there could be consequences.As I said earlier what I initially read about him suggested that he might an OK guy.Either incredibly foolish (and naive) or incredibly brave.But,as I said,when asylum in China becomes a plausible option to him all bets are off IMO.

Where would I go? As I said earlier I'd go to Levenworth before I fled to China.

46 posted on 06/16/2013 12:05:27 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: null and void
Remember this guy?


47 posted on 06/16/2013 12:10:31 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Gay State Conservative

You’d go to a lime pit before they’d waste a dollar feeding your useless mouth at Levenworth.

Can’t say nobody told you.


48 posted on 06/16/2013 12:11:33 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: fireman15; txhurl

Obama has had more of HIS enemies in the United States killed, than he has enemies of the United States.


49 posted on 06/16/2013 12:13:54 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2

Jackie Chan?


50 posted on 06/16/2013 12:17:57 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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