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1 posted on 06/16/2013 8:14:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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American citizens not going to get excited about the NSA monitoring foreign Governments or foreign entities.


2 posted on 06/16/2013 8:18:21 AM PDT by PGR88
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I had at least a fair amount of respect for this guy until I heard it said that he was thinking of defecting to China.If he does that I’d *personally” volunteer to fly to Hong Kong,hop a train to whatever filthy part of China he’s fled to and give him “two in the hat”.Or maybe even twenty.
3 posted on 06/16/2013 8:21:58 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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Pot!


Kettle!!


6 posted on 06/16/2013 8:37:48 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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So he tells on spying of US citizens, then disappears for a day or so, and VOILA! tells about spying on China. He has not made it more difficult for people of good will to support him. This is what we pay NSA to do- spy on our enemies. China is our enemy. /probably preaching to the choir, so ignore me...


8 posted on 06/16/2013 8:42:25 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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The FBI said yesterday it had launched a criminal investigation and was taking “all necessary steps” to prosecute Snowden for exposing secret US surveillance programmes.

PuhLeeze!!! What frickin things, products, ideas or, programs has he revealed of any significance???

I have been asking for a week and to date no one has pointed out anything other than he revealed a name of a presumed or known program.

Why is Snowjob the shinny object for everyone’s amusement?

No one is asking and I actually have some answers but, no one is asking?

Why?

No, I will not reveal my thoughts on Snowjob. I want critical and deep thinking on others part, as to why he is a supposed traitor????

Really?

What did he reveal?


9 posted on 06/16/2013 8:43:12 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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Snowden is just making certain the Chinese won’t extradite him.

I’m not able to come up with any other location other than Russia and Hong Kong(China)where he would not get extradited.

Well, perhaps some hideous rat hole somewhere.


10 posted on 06/16/2013 9:00:37 AM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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I read this as Snowden letting his hosts know that the NSA is spying on them so as to decrease the chance that they will agree to extradite him. He would be of little use to his cause sitting in a U.S. prison. Note that he does not provide IP addresses. He is protecting his person.


15 posted on 06/16/2013 9:09:19 AM PDT by Praxeologue
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Well it’s not surprising that he did this, almost expected really if you think about it. He obviously had two goals when he did this, the first was to expose the illegal spying on US citizens (even if Congress says its legal it still is illegal according to the constitution) the second was to stay alive and out of US custody after doing the first. The only way to achieve the second goal is by having something that another country wants bad enough to tell the US to take a hike. It becomes very difficult for Hong Kong to turn this guy over now that they’ve lost face like this, the anger at the US is growing over seas more so then here in the US because of this.

And for those that have not been following this here is a little taste of how this works:

The NSA has been working with all the major software developers for over a decade to put back doors into their software, chief among those is Microsoft but more than likely every anti-virus or security related program has built into it a means for the government to walk right in and take what they want from your computer.

The NSA has also been working with the major hardware developers to do this exact same thing, Intel, AMD, Broadcomm, you name it they probably have added little goodies so that all your computers, phones, tablets etc have some way for the government to access your systems (anyone remember the clipper chip? that didn’t go away). This also includes all the routers being built by Juniper and Cisco.

All the service providers (ISP, wireless and phone companies) have a room where they’ve placed what amounts to a tap on all your communications (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-06/nsa-att-and-secrets-room-641a). They’ve also compromised the public keying certificate authorities (Verisign, etc).

All the social sights like tweeter and facebook along with the search engines like google and yahoo are also sucking up and passing data back to the NSA.

What does all this mean? Well it means that even your secure (e.i., encrypted) communications with you bank or any other communications you thought was private is completely open to the NSA. They don’t even have to break a sweat or any crypto key to see what you’re doing on line. Even the internet anonymity services like Tor are totally useless as the NSA is right in the middle of the secure link listening in.

The problem for most countries is that all these US based products are so totally compromised that they have no way of assuring that any of their communications is not being listened to by the NSA (and most likely is). I predict that there will be a concerted effort now to move away from US based products world wide. The hit to our economy from this will be enormous, about as large as the hit we as US citizens have taken in the violation of our constitutional rights.


26 posted on 06/16/2013 9:53:13 AM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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