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Man Charged After Corralling Suspected Vandals In Closet (arresting the victim)
© 2013 Deerfield Media (Rochester) Licensee, LLC (WHAM TV) ^ | Updated: 6/15 9:27 pm | Reported by: Sean Carroll

Posted on 06/16/2013 8:28:41 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

Clyde, N.Y. --- A Wayne County man is now facing four charges for Endangering the Welfare of a Child after he interrupted an act of vandalism at a home he was renovating for his father-in-law.

The incident unfolded around 9 p.m. Saturday when Jesse Daniels said he told his wife to call 911 after he heard loud noises coming from the home next door and saw an individual striking a wall with a hammer.

Daniels... ran next door and found four children, ages eight and ten, doing damage to the property. Daniels said he took a hammer from one of the kids and corralled them into a closet while he waited for police to arrive. Daniels estimated that the damage to his father-in-law's property exceeds $40,000...

Clyde Village Police took the children back to their parents and filed felony criminal charges of Burglary 2nd Degree and Criminal Mischief 2nd Degree. Those cases will be handled in Family Court and the results of each case is likely to remain sealed.

On Monday police returned to Daniels' home and arrested him on four counts of Endangering the Welfare of a Child.

The parents of the children insisted on the charges according to authorities. They claim that their children were shoved into the closet, that one was grabbed around the neck, and that Daniels' threatened them with the hammer.

Daniels was arraigned on those charges and is due back in court later this month. The maximum sentence on each charge is one year in county jail.

Wayne County District Attorney Richard Healy tells 13WHAM News that the entire incident is still under investigation and he is still gathering information. While Healy can decide not to prosecute he said he does not have enough information at this time to make that decision....

Paul Bowler lives not far from Daniels’ home and the home that was vandalized and he made no excuses for the actions of his boys and their two alleged accomplices when 13WHAM News confronted him....

Bowler said his two boys are traumatized by the incident and their mother showed 13WHAM News a picture of the incident that she says one of them drew. Bowler also provided 13WHAM News with a photo of the neck of one of his boys because he said Daniels grabbed his son by the neck and left a mark.

“Oh they're traumatized, they haven't been to school they don't sleep until the sun comes up,” said Bowler.

"I don't know why he didn't get more charges than just Endangering the Welfare of a Child because if you're asking me that's imprisonment, that's unlawfully dealing with a child,” said Bowler.

"I would like to see them (the charges) dropped against me because I was just protecting my family and had the house torched it would've affected my home and everything,” Daniels responded. "I hope the children learn a lesson, I don't want to see them grow up to be bad people. I mean they're intelligent kids. What happened\ happened and I just want to get it over with and not have any more problems that's all I want.”


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: banglist; bowler; bowlerdeadbeat; bowlerenabler; bowleridiot; bowlermissespoint; clyde; county; daniels; guncontrol; guns; jesse; jessedaniels; paul; paulbowler; vandals; wayne
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Seems to me that Paul Bowler, the father of the [ahem alleged] criminals is the one who should be arrested under Subparagraph 2:
Penal Law § 260.10 Endangering the welfare of a child.
A person is guilty of endangering the welfare of a child when:
1. He or she knowingly acts in a manner likely to be injurious to the physical, mental or moral welfare of a child less than seventeen years old or directs or authorizes such child to engage in an occupation involving a substantial risk of danger to his or her life or health; or 2. Being a parent, guardian or other person legally charged with the care or custody of a child less than eighteen years old, he or she fails or refuses to exercise reasonable diligence in the control of such child to prevent him or her from becoming a..." a "juvenile delinquent" or a "person in need of supervision," ...

But, no, this Obama's America. We have to arrest the property owners and coddle the criminals.

And thank goodness Daniels hadn't gone over there with a gun. Even if he hadn't used it, he probably be in prison already.

(Note to moderators: Posted for purposes of discussing "crime, corruption government abuse" and "cultural and societal issues.")


1 posted on 06/16/2013 8:28:42 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

We’ll let you go if you promise to donate to the Democrat Party....


2 posted on 06/16/2013 8:37:34 AM PDT by freebilly
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Don’t these “parents” have any shame about what their kids were doing? The parents should be hauled up for arrest on charges of irresponsible treatment of children.


3 posted on 06/16/2013 8:40:34 AM PDT by kitkat ( STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR NATION)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

“Oh they’re traumatized, they haven’t been to school they don’t sleep until the sun comes up,” said Bowler.

Hmmm- the poorl ittle arsonists criminals aere ‘traumatized’? Just think how traumatized they are goign to be when they land in jeuvenile detention-

Daniles shoudl be claimign hte kids traumatized him- he should be drawign a picture of his father-in-law’s house on fire and thjsoe kids standign i nthe roadway watchign it and laughing- he shoudl be suing the parents of the kids for endangerign their kids by allowign htem to go unsupervised late at night-

[[”I don’t know why he didn’t get more charges than just Endangering the Welfare of a Child because if you’re asking me that’s imprisonment, that’s unlawfully dealing with a child,” said Bowler.]]

Funny Bowlers shoudl mention prison- becasue that’s probably where he’s goign to be makign visits to to see his sons some day- Since this dolt can’t recognize that his children are thugs and criminals, he shoudl be held as an accomplice

[[”I would like to see them (the charges) dropped against me because I was just protecting my family and had the house torched it would’ve affected my home and everything,” Daniels responded. “I hope the children learn a lesson, I don’t want to see them grow up to be bad people. I mean they’re intelligent kids. What happened\ happened and I just want to get it over with and not have any more problems that’s all I want.”]]

Daniels can feel sorry for the kids if he wants, but they are simply products of their upbringing and it appears they are following in the footsteps of their irresponsible no good father-


4 posted on 06/16/2013 8:42:28 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: freebilly

Paul Bowler

typical sniveling Leftist “Victim”

a good ass whipping is in order...


5 posted on 06/16/2013 8:43:32 AM PDT by LtKerst
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

poor little hoodlums.. they’re traumatized.. 40K worth,,

The parents of each child should get 10K poorer too..


6 posted on 06/16/2013 8:44:37 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Sounds like the parents have some sway somewhere. I think child welfare should check in on them since the parents so poorly supervise their children.


7 posted on 06/16/2013 8:50:59 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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“Oh they're traumatized, they haven't been to school they don't sleep until the sun comes up,” said Bowler.

They are traumatized because they got caught and now they're truants and night roaming zombies too.

8 posted on 06/16/2013 8:51:27 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

If we only had their first names I’d bet we could determine who these hoodlums really are.


9 posted on 06/16/2013 8:52:31 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Had I done such a thing as a child, there would have been a whole truckload of trauma...but my parents would have been the ones bringing it...


10 posted on 06/16/2013 8:58:10 AM PDT by mrs. a (It's a short life but a merry one...)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I’d say it’s about 100% certain that the “father” of the boys interviewed for the story is a strong Obama supporter. The only amazing thing is that he has not deserted the kids yet - maybe he lives on their mom’s income.


11 posted on 06/16/2013 8:59:24 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: kitkat
Don’t these “parents” have any shame about what their kids were doing? The parents should be hauled up for arrest on charges of irresponsible treatment of children.

I will contend that of all the things we have lost as a culture, shame is one of the most important.

Imagine what most of our parents would have done if we had been those kids. Many of us wouldn't have been sitting for a very long time!! And our parents would have made it very clear to us that we were not to bring shame to our families!!

And what kind of parent lets 8-10 year old kids out at night without supervision?

12 posted on 06/16/2013 9:00:47 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: LtKerst; Hieronymus; VampireStateNY; governsleastgovernsbest; gaspar; NativeNewYorker; drjimmy; ...
Upstate NY Bump and More about the damage these "victims" did here:


13 posted on 06/16/2013 9:01:32 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: LtKerst

Someone might wait until this Boweler guy and his family are out of town and let the word be known among the local kids that everyone is going to his house to trash it.

But I don’t think that will happen.


14 posted on 06/16/2013 9:03:16 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

He’s probably on welfare and doesn’t leave home much.


15 posted on 06/16/2013 9:07:16 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: CottShop
Wow...I tried to read that 4 times...Wow.

FMCDH(BITS)

16 posted on 06/16/2013 9:09:10 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The “victim” of this charge does not seem to fit the criteria of the statute.

” Being a parent, guardian or other person legally charged with the care or custody of a child”


17 posted on 06/16/2013 9:11:47 AM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I can’t believe the damage that was done to that house! Something is very wrong with young children who are capable of that kind of destruction of personal property. Fortunately with the internet the father of the children will soon be sorry he ever went on the news trying to get more charges against the victim of the vandalism. Nobody can look at those pictures and for a second think the owner is in the wrong with his actions.


18 posted on 06/16/2013 9:12:30 AM PDT by happyhomemaker (Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. Rom 12:12)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
That Bowler guy is a real piece of work and he better get ready to have his patoot sued. For a lot more than just the $40,000 in costs. So if he thinks that kiddie court is the end of his problems for his 'little scamps', he's delusional. Mr Bowler will find out first hand what 'traumatized' really is.

IMHO, if that DA goes ahead with prosecution of Mr Daniels his house should be vandalized by some 'kids'. Lets see how he feels then (he'd prolly file for Domestic Terrorism).

19 posted on 06/16/2013 9:17:44 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
in Clyde no less...

the little sh!ts KNEW better than to do that at home so they can't say they were just playing...

20 posted on 06/16/2013 9:17:54 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: kitkat

No,they don’t have ANY shame because they don’t even know how to spell the word!It’s obvious that these kids are being brought up by parents who don’t know right from wrong!!It’s the parents who should be charged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


21 posted on 06/16/2013 9:19:40 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

No good deed goes unpunished.


22 posted on 06/16/2013 9:20:16 AM PDT by sport
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

in many cases (like this one), a court hearing on a charge needs to be conducted by a judge, B4 any formal charge and arrest

and only a formal criminal charge made on the judge’s order

leaving a “plaintiff” only a civil suit if they care to try it, having already lost the criminal charge


23 posted on 06/16/2013 9:22:03 AM PDT by Wuli (qu)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Ridiculous...


24 posted on 06/16/2013 9:23:26 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: phockthis

Subsection 1 doesn’t require the defendant be a parent, etc. Daniels was presumably charged with that subsection.

This law is constantly overused by cops in NYS. People have been charged with cursing in front of kids or arguing with their spouses. I know of one case where a landlord was threatened with it if he evicted a deadbeat family with children because that would “endanger” them.

It’s NY’s number one tool for criminalizing everyone.


25 posted on 06/16/2013 9:24:03 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Wuli
in many cases (like this one), a court hearing on a charge needs to be conducted by a judge, B4 any formal charge and arrest

Not in NY. In order to charge someone with endangering all that is required is that a police officer swear out a complaint.

26 posted on 06/16/2013 9:25:50 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Condor51

The purpose of the Courts and law enforcement is to control whar are normal law abiding citizens while protecting crools and criminals. If an law abiding citizen happens to get murdered, robbed, or raped they could not care less. What is important to them is that the law abiding productive [taxpaying] citizen be kept in their place [on their knees begging their masters for “protection” from the criminal and not protecting themselves.


27 posted on 06/16/2013 9:27:38 AM PDT by sport
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Trauma might not be a bad thing - anyone heard of “Scared Straight”?


28 posted on 06/16/2013 9:35:45 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Fourteenth Amendment explained / Eric Williams

First - forget everything you ever knew about the Fourteenth Amendment - then carefully read the below expose:

Take the Amendment’s opening clauses, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state where in they reside...”

Now, consider the same clauses with the central, explanatory clause removed, and it then reads: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside...”

Under the rules of English grammar and punctuation, the second clause, “and under the jurisdiction thereof, “ is an explanatory clause. Explanatory clauses do not add to nor in any way change or alter the meaning of the writing in which they are included; their purpose is to explain. As it is self evident that naturalized persons volunteer into the jurisdiction of the United States as an inherent aspect of their voluntary naturalization, the explanatory obviously was not relevant thereto. Therefore the inclusion of this explanatory clause is to clarify that persons born in the
United States, in deference to the Thirteenth Amendment, do not become and are not, at the moment of their birth in the United States, automatically citizens thereof because such newborn persons are incapable of personally volunteering themselves into servitude. I contend that the inclusion of “persons naturalized” was somewhat obfuscatory.

Finish the article here:
http://freedom-school.com/eric-williams/02-25-2006.pdf


When you enter THEIR court, you submit yourself to THEIR jurisdiction

14th Amendment:
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction
thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside...”

RULE: Never accept a presentment without contesting it, but remember that the ONLY thing you want to contest is the “style of the case,” i.e. the corruption of your Christian appellation into a corporate fiction form. To argue anything else in the pleading (even a contention that you are an ax murderer) instantly causes you to traverse into the opposition’s jurisdiction-and you’re dead!

The burden is upon them to prove that they have jurisdiction over you.

Did you ‘knowingly and willingly’ volunteer to become a US citizen?

Did you fully comprehend the fact that you were ‘voluntarily’ waving your constitutional rights to become a 14th amendment debt slave?

Brady v. United States, 397 U.S. 742, 748 (1970)
Waivers of Constitutional Rights not only must be voluntary, but must be knowingly intelligent acts done with sufficient awareness of the relevant circumstances and likely consequences.

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17. Under the Federal and State Constitutions, “... We the People” did not surrender our individual sovereignty to either the State or Federal Government. Powers “delegated” do not equate to powers surrendered. This is a Republic, not a democracy, and the majority cannot impose its will upon the minority simply because some “law” is already set forth. Any individual can do anything he or she wishes to do, so long as it does not damage, injure or impair the same Right of another individual. The concept of a corpus delicti is relevant here, in order to prove some “crime” or civil damage.

18. The case law surrounding the 13th and 14th Amendments all rings with the same message: “These amendments did not change the status of Common Law Citizenship of the white Citizens of one of the several States of the Union” (now 50 in number).

19. This goes to the crux of the controversy because, under the so-called 14th Amendment, citizenship is a privilege and not a “Right”. (See American and Ocean Ins. Co. v. Canter, 1 Pet. 511 (1828); Cook v. Tait, 265 U.S. 47 (1924).)

20. It was never the intent of the so-called 14th Amendment to change the status of the Common Law Citizens of the several States. (See People v. Washington, 36 C. 658, 661 (1869); French v. Barber, 181 U.S. 324 (1900); MacKenzie v. Hare, 60 L.Ed. 297). Intent is always decisive and conclusive on the courts.

21. However, over the years, the so-called 14th Amendment has been used to create a fiction and to destroy American freedom through administrative regulation. How is this possible? The answer is self-evident to anyone who understands the law, namely, a “privilege” can be regulated to any degree, including the alteration and even the revocation of that privilege.

22. Since the statutory status of “citizen of the United States, subject to the jurisdiction thereof” (1866 Civil Rights Act) is one of privilege and not of Right, and since the so called 14th Amendment mandates that both Congress and the several States take measures to protect these new “subjects”, then both the Federal and State governments are mandated to protect the privileges and immunities of ONLY these “citizens of the United States”.
(See Hale v. Henkel, 201 U.S. 43 (1906).)

23. Of course, the amount of protection afforded has a price to pay, but the important fact is that the “privilege” of citizenship under the so-called 14th Amendment can be regulated or revoked because it is a “privilege” and not a RIGHT. It is here that the basic, fundamental concept of “self-government” turns into a King “governing his subjects”.

http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/htm/chapter9.htm


29 posted on 06/16/2013 9:46:45 AM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Not in NY.

I was not speaking on what current law and practice is but what it ought to be, in my view.


30 posted on 06/16/2013 9:52:07 AM PDT by Wuli (qu)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
"they haven't been to school they don't sleep until the sun comes up..."

I'm guessing that's a standard day in the life of these little punks.

31 posted on 06/16/2013 10:21:13 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

if someone is on your property and tearing down your house in many states, I think you are within your rights to shoot them.... but in NY you cannot even corral them?


32 posted on 06/16/2013 11:49:04 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: CottShop

They haven’t been to school?

summer school?


33 posted on 06/16/2013 11:49:47 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: freebilly

This state is so screwed up.


34 posted on 06/16/2013 11:51:08 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave ofo attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Hopefully Daniels’s lawyer brings that up to Bowler. Let him do a little pokey time.

We had a similar incident some years ago with 2 neighborhood kids vandalizing one of our cars. The Fairfax County (VA) police (God bless ‘em) pursued what might have appeared a trivial matter and found the two.

The parents’ immediate reaction was “not MY son” which quickly changed to “mea culpa” when presented with evidence and the kids’ acknowledgment of their wrongdoing. If their parents’ reaction had been Bowlers, I’d have pursued the matter beyond a good lesson from FCPD.


35 posted on 06/16/2013 11:58:39 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: GlockThe Vote
The Associated Press has picked the story up but neglected to report on the extent of the vandalism.
36 posted on 06/16/2013 1:03:52 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: happyhomemaker
I can’t believe the damage that was done to that house! Something is very wrong with young children who are capable of that kind of destruction of personal property. Fortunately with the internet the father of the children will soon be sorry he ever went on the news trying to get more charges against the victim of the vandalism. Nobody can look at those pictures and for a second think the owner is in the wrong with his actions.

It's Ithaca......

37 posted on 06/16/2013 2:13:40 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: GeronL; CottShop
They haven’t been to school? summer school?

School just got out this weekend for much of NY. I wouldn't be surprised if some kids still have to go.

Depends how much time they lost for snowdays during the winter.

38 posted on 06/16/2013 2:15:51 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: kitkat

this is called counterpunch.

It is why we have no morality in this country.

This happens all the time. in lots of ways.


39 posted on 06/16/2013 2:32:18 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: metmom
It's Ithaca.....

Not unless Ithaca has been uprooted and transported from Tompkins County to Wayne County without anyone noticing.

40 posted on 06/16/2013 2:41:40 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine

Would *Ithaca area* work then? I know it’s a stretch.....

Yeah, I do know where Clyde is.

There used to be a natural/health food store up that way. Clear Eye.

Maybe there’s something in the water there.


41 posted on 06/16/2013 2:53:40 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

The schools are all serving meals all summer here, hardly anyone is going to go, what a waste of tax dollars


42 posted on 06/16/2013 2:55:55 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I would have made my sons clean EVERY BIT of their mess up.

These parents don’t care about their children much. : {


43 posted on 06/16/2013 3:01:38 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: GeronL

They’re pretty crowded here and it’s almost all white kids. I would say half the families could somewhat use the assistance and the rest are there just for fun or for the parents’ convenience. For some reason very few Hispanics go to the summer meals, although they eat the same food during the school year.


44 posted on 06/16/2013 3:09:29 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: nothingnew

[[Wow...I tried to read that 4 times...Wow.]]

And you’re a mchu better pesron for it today- You’re welcoem


45 posted on 06/16/2013 8:38:01 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: SaraJohnson

[[I would have made my sons clean EVERY BIT of their mess up.]]

And today we’d be charged swith child abuse if we made the kids actually obey us and hte law-


46 posted on 06/16/2013 8:53:06 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: GeronL

[[but in NY you cannot even corral them?]]

Apparently not- peopel are still allowed to ‘own/’ a gun, but they just aren’t allwoed to use the gun- and appaently it’s agaisnt hte law in NY to make citizens arrests or detain someoen until thel aw getrs there-

In other words, peopel MUST SOLELY rely on the police for everythign but as we see i nthsi case- the police were nowhere to be foudn whiel the kids destroyed the house— Just imagien if the kids had instead broken into the occupied hows of Daniels with guns- and Daniels had to wait for police to get there provuided he cousdl even manage to get to a phone while under attack- because heaven forbid he shoudl protect hismelf and family with deadly force in his own house-


47 posted on 06/16/2013 9:00:00 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

[[In order to charge someone with endangering all that is required is that a police officer swear out a complaint. ]]

I beleive all that is necessary is if a cop sees marks on someone- which then gives the cop the ‘right’ to make the arrest regardless of how the incident actually went down- it’s sort of liek the saying ‘shoto first ask quesitons later’ mentality- You see it a lot on the show cops- where a fight takes place, but only oen person has marks- the officers are ‘required’ to arrest the oen that doesn’t have any marks regardless of who says they are the victim- (unless there are eyewitnesses that can explain that the one with marks received them while beign the aggressor and instigator)


48 posted on 06/16/2013 9:04:57 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

You just can’t make this up. Property rights. we don’t need no stinkin property rights.


49 posted on 06/17/2013 2:58:54 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother (01-21-13, Obama declares war on The Constitution of the United States)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Call Wayne County District Attorney Richard Healy: Wayne County District Attorney Richard Healy tells 13WHAM News that the entire incident is still under investigation and he is still gathering information. While Healy can decide not to prosecute he said he does not have enough information at this time to make that decision.... Phone: (315)946-5905


50 posted on 06/17/2013 11:35:11 AM PDT by NoMoreKoolAid2013
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