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Graham warns fellow Republicans: Without immigration bill, GOP to lose in 2016
AP Greenfield Reporter ^ | 6/16/13 | PHILIP ELLIOTT

Posted on 06/16/2013 10:42:56 AM PDT by jimbo123

Republicans are "in a demographic death spiral" and will fail in their effort to win the presidency if the party blocks an immigration overhaul, a leading GOP senator said Sunday.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, the South Carolina Republican who helped write a bipartisan immigration bill under debate in the Senate, said conservatives who are trying to block the measure will doom the party and all but guarantee a Democrat will remain in the White House after 2016's election.

A Democrat also involved in developing the proposal, Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey, went a step further and predicted "there'll never be a road to the White House for the Republican Party" if immigration overhaul fails to pass.

(Excerpt) Read more at greenfieldreporter.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: amnesty; gopdiesin2016; gopestablishment; grahamnesty; lindseygraham; moredemvoters; nancymace; newjersey; pedophilemenendez; randsconcerntrolls; rino; rinokeywordcowards; robertmenendez; southcarolina
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1 posted on 06/16/2013 10:42:56 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Of course the absolute opposite is true. Typical GOPe.


2 posted on 06/16/2013 10:44:23 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: jimbo123
Earth to graham, with the immigration bill, the repugnants are going to lose.
3 posted on 06/16/2013 10:45:20 AM PDT by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: LouAvul

Just why are most republicans morons?


4 posted on 06/16/2013 10:45:54 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: jimbo123

Grahamnasty’s GOP needs to die...


5 posted on 06/16/2013 10:48:16 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: jimbo123

Graham still thinks we won in 2008 and 2012.

“Isn’t McCain president?”


6 posted on 06/16/2013 10:49:04 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: jimbo123

What...an...ass.


7 posted on 06/16/2013 10:49:49 AM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: jimbo123

So let’s all just surrender to islam because unless we embrace sharia law and the muzzies keep imigr...invading and breeding...we’ll have a democrat muzzie goverment instead of a republican rino muzzie government.

Yeah, that’s the ticket...moron.


8 posted on 06/16/2013 10:50:18 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Tea Party, Constitution, patriot, DOMA, NRA, pro-life...can you hear me now big ears?)
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To: jimbo123

Goober, the illegal amnesty bill is a gift from Gaia to the Democrat-Socialist Party.


9 posted on 06/16/2013 10:52:22 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: jimbo123

with amnesty bill GOP will lose in 2014.


10 posted on 06/16/2013 10:53:47 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government shoud fear us.)
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To: jimbo123

Fagraham needs to go. He’s an embarrassment to us South Carolina Conservatives. Nancy Mace is getting a lot of face time around SC as challenger. http://www.943wsc.com/pages/personality_KellyGolden.html?article=11392681


11 posted on 06/16/2013 10:54:15 AM PDT by neal1960 (D m cr ts S ck. Would you like to buy a vowel?)
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To: jimbo123

This sounds more and more like:

“pass our immigration bill or our operatives release ‘information’ to ensure none of your local candidates win their races”


12 posted on 06/16/2013 10:54:28 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: jimbo123
Had lawmakers enforced existing law(for decades of foreign invasion)...this would not be an issue...would it McStain butt-monkey?
13 posted on 06/16/2013 10:54:50 AM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Shall Not Be Infringed)
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To: jimbo123

And with the Immigration bill, Republicans will lose in 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022...


14 posted on 06/16/2013 10:54:53 AM PDT by ResponseAbility (The truth of liberalism is the stupid can feel smart, the lazy entitled, and the immoral unashamed)
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To: jimbo123

Wrong Grahamnesty, You and the Leadership are STUCK ON STUPID. It is the Leadership that is bringing the Party down and Nothing else. Try Standing up and pretending you are an Adult. I will make a bet, try standing up and pronouncing that the Republican Party has come up with it’s own Immigration Plan separate from the Quisling Eight.

We in the Republican Party are re-introducing President Eisenhowers “Operation Wetback” without any changes.

just watch and see how the party is rejuvenated.


15 posted on 06/16/2013 10:55:13 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: jimbo123

The worst thing the Republicans can do is pass this bill in the form and state it has passed the Senate. I’m all for reform........but.......number one priority is establishing “Real” “Airtight” border security and the other number one priority is that no Illegal immigrant will ever be granted USA citizenship or voting rights. Yes.....they be be legalized, permanent workers and residents that pay all USA taxes.....but no path to citizenship and voting rights ever. Illegal children brought here by parents and relatives OK a path to citizenship that takes thirty-one years from birth (Age 21, then ten years for path)!!! Children born her are already citizens.

And......let me further tell Mr. Lindsey........that this “Immigration” issue is not the barn burner its advocates scream about. Most Americans could care less as polls clearly point out!!! What Americans want is their jobs protected through very tight border standards!!! End of story!!!


16 posted on 06/16/2013 10:55:30 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: jimbo123

Hey GOP-e... Listen up!

If you want to win run a Conservative who leads from the front.

What’s that, not interested?

Imagine that.


17 posted on 06/16/2013 10:55:43 AM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are direcFisher House' insttly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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BullRoar senator Graham! Enforcing our existing laws and letting our States do their immigration enforcement will be a big step in the right direction.

Secure the border first!!!

Then take a look at this plan......Do Not Throw Our Laws Away for some vote you think you might get.....How about stopping the Obama African Vacation this summer for starters....think of the jobless here now...think of the money being spent on the Obama vacation, the food stamps disability frauds...Stop that bleeding before any more illegals are made illegal citizens of the USA. Good Lord people can't we stop Washington from giving our country away piece meal. Shame on We The People if we cant!

18 posted on 06/16/2013 10:55:54 AM PDT by yoe
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To: jimbo123
Lindas' is "Passing Gas/Breaking wind/Crop dustin' " again.. again.. again.. & again.
along w/ all the other Establishment/GOP and their ilk.

19 posted on 06/16/2013 10:56:18 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :)
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To: jimbo123

If Romney gets 70% of the “Hispanic” vote he still loses the 2012 election. Why is this fact lost on these losers?


20 posted on 06/16/2013 10:57:04 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: jimbo123

The REPUBLICANS ARE RESPONSIBLE for the 1986 AMNESTY!

Where did that get us? Why aren’t all the 1986 Amnesty Recipients and their grown children voting REPUBLICAN?

Mr. Graham You are INSANE! and you think we are STUPID!


21 posted on 06/16/2013 10:57:31 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: skeeter

Reminds me of late West Roman Empire when they let barbarians settle within the empire and needed them to plug the gaps in their military manpower. Problem is people who wanted to be emperor but lacked the support of the Roman majority or generals did not hesitate to bolster their minority power with the barbarians to overwhelm the Roman majority in power. It came at a price, the barbarians wanted more territory for themselves and their tribe. In the end the barbarians figured the game out and became kingmaker in Roman civil wars and game politics. Rome lost and the barbarians won. Dems. GOP and rest of Americans will learn the hard way when Hispanics learn they are the kingmakers in US politics. They will enrich their own communities at the expense of the rest of the US. Blacks will be the first victims of the power struggle. Side show will be the Jews being pummeled by the growing US Arab/Muslim population in the Dem party. 21st Century will be an interesting American century.
Don’t even bother to ask God for help. The last nation that embraced Sodony did not get any.


22 posted on 06/16/2013 10:59:02 AM PDT by Fee
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To: jimbo123
The Repubs are stuck on stupid and Want to lose so that the RATs can continue
their destruction of America. Why? Because they don't want to be blamed for
the power they want to wield if it's ever their turn to rule again.

The GOP leadership has supported every power grab the DemocRATs have been pushing.

23 posted on 06/16/2013 10:59:20 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: jimbo123

Senator Linda Graham- if amnesty is passed with GOP help you wont get my vote for POTUS in 2016
Used to be GOP base
Freegards
LEX


24 posted on 06/16/2013 11:00:14 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Java4Jay

Fixed tagline


25 posted on 06/16/2013 11:00:35 AM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: rockrr

Slow path to progress for U.S. immigrants: 43% on welfare after 20 years

The study, which covers all immigrants, legal and illegal, and their U.S.-born children younger than 18, found that immigrants tend to make economic progress by most measures the longer they live in the U.S. but lag well behind native-born Americans on factors such as poverty, health insurance coverage and homeownership.

The study, based on 2010 and 2011 census data, found that 43 percent of immigrants who have been in the U.S. at least 20 years were using welfare benefits, a rate that is nearly twice as high as native-born Americans and nearly 50 percent higher than recent immigrants.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/8/slow-path-to-progress-for-us-immigrants/

so more amnesty from republicans helps our country how again?


26 posted on 06/16/2013 11:00:48 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey, went a step further and predicted "there'll never be a road to the White House for the Republican Party" if immigration overhaul fails to pass.

So Democrat/ethnic hustler Menendez is trying to help the Republican party win future presidential races with this advice?

Lindsey is just a hopeless, self-deluded nitwit on this issue.

27 posted on 06/16/2013 11:01:40 AM PDT by Will88
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Ahh, yes, hunting the elusive Obama fence sitter who agrees with the GOP on every matter except for amnesty for illegal aliens. They are just crying out for the GOP to finally approve such legislation so that they can come back to the GOP. You can see their numbers quite clearly in the exit polling data from 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2012. They are the deciding factor...

While Lindsey Don Quixote Graham is tilting against windmills, the rest of us know quite clearly that the only thing yet another amnesty bill brings is people LEAVING the GOP, not gathering a single voter. It is the myth of the big tent - you make the tent bigger, you bring the party even more liberal, and in will come the stream of ‘independent’ voters who will utterly punish the Democrats come the next election.

Instead, the result is two liberals running against each other, one of whom many GOP voters can’t even stomach enough to cast a vote for, and the other naturally pointing out how sad it is that the other guy isn’t quite enlightened enough.

Senator Graham, all the GOP has to do to win a massive victory in the House and the Senate is simply run on Obama’s record. Massive ‘health care’ plan that is going to make health care much much worse, NSA listening in on phone calls (and unapologetic about it...), IRS targeting people based upon political or religious beliefs, letting an embassy be overrun, seizing reporter phone records without cause, and every single thing: ‘Where was Obama when this was going on? Who knows, he sure doesn’t. Name the people who have been fired for these scandals... None. So this November, it is time to send a clear message: We’re going to clean up Washington DC, reign in Obama’s out of control government, and put this country back on track.’

Senator Graham, what is the counter to this campaign? ‘They’re just trying to steal your right to kill babies! They are racists who want illegals to suffer!’ Yeah, who does this response ring true to? Die hard liberals, votes we will NEVER have. And who does it turn off? The real target, ‘independent’ voters.

Senator Graham, amnesty will take the cakewalk midterms in 2014 and turn it into an utter bloodbath for the GOP.


28 posted on 06/16/2013 11:01:57 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: jimbo123

If we don’t give amnesty to 20 million illegals and allow them to sponsor millions more of their relatives thru chain migration, we will die as a political party.


29 posted on 06/16/2013 11:02:31 AM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: Fee

“Interesting”... thats one way to phrase it.


30 posted on 06/16/2013 11:03:01 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: ResponseAbility

Graham needs to be asked......like in California? I don’t believe they are this stupid, it is a plan.


31 posted on 06/16/2013 11:06:08 AM PDT by sheana
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To: jimbo123

If Graham is for it, I’m automatically against it, I don’t even need to know what it is.


32 posted on 06/16/2013 11:06:16 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: jimbo123

FULG!


33 posted on 06/16/2013 11:06:46 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: umgud

Worked out well in California didn’t it?


34 posted on 06/16/2013 11:07:05 AM PDT by sheana
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No, America is in a demographic death spiral.

All of it caused by illegal immigration and some unwise legal immigration.


35 posted on 06/16/2013 11:07:42 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: jimbo123
Insanity.

Indeed. ComDem Insanity!

36 posted on 06/16/2013 11:08:00 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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Republicans are "in a demographic death spiral" and will fail in their effort to win the presidency if the party blocks an immigration overhaul, a leading GOP senator said Sunday.

I tend to agree with this; but with the (very important!) caveat that an immigration bill must be accompanied by a provision that requires strict border control first.

Those who claim that strict border enforcement should not be elevated to such a level are entirely unserious about the matter, in my opinion; these people want a bill that would legalize the millions who are currently here illegally, without any reciprocal border enforcement for the future.

37 posted on 06/16/2013 11:08:58 AM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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Fine. Then Graham needs to write a serious bill and not this crap sandwich of special interest pork. That he doesn’t do that just shows he is FOS. He plainly wants amnesty and slaves for Big Business with utter disregard to the assault this bill is on low and middle income American Citizens.

There is a 3rd way in all this mess but the beltway GOP has shown ZERO interest in representing the American people on this issue. Dems are trolling for votes and the GOP is doing the bidding of big business. Main Street has no representatives in DC.


38 posted on 06/16/2013 11:09:02 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: jimbo123

I’m pretty sure illegal aliens already know conservatives despise the amnesty plan, so unless the GOPe kicks us out of the party, why in the world would an amnestied alien vote Republican? They also already know the Democrats LOVE amnesty and are willing to wealth redistribute some $$$$ to the illegals. Again, why wouldn’t an illegal alien vote for the party that more closely represents what they want for a party the grudgingly voted for the amnesty???

BTW, President Bush was about as pro-Hispanic as one can be, but even he didn’t get a majority of the Hispanic vote. Get a clue, Senator Graham! You’re delusional—absolutely stark raving mad actually—if you think you’re going to see a majority of Hispanics vote Republican.

Senator Graham, we lose like 45% to 55% of the Hispanic vote, and you can’t make that up on volume!!!


39 posted on 06/16/2013 11:09:39 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Texas Fossil
They aren't stupid - the American political establishment hates the American people. Both parties, nearly every member are seeking to destroy us as a coherent group.

We should react in kind.

40 posted on 06/16/2013 11:10:47 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: JLAGRAYFOX
"...number one priority is establishing “Real” “Airtight” border security and the other number one priority is that no Illegal immigrant will ever be granted USA citizenship or voting rights. Yes.....they be be legalized, permanent workers and residents that pay all USA taxes.....but no path to citizenship and voting rights ever."

Soooo many Americans feel this way..!!

Senator Lindsey Graham, R-SC, says the Senate's chance of passing a budget deal hinges on one thing: its success in passing immigration reform. I am so very tired of watching government waste, fraud and misuse of our tax $$$ to wit: President Obama and his family will be going to Africa later this month. But the trip won't be cheap; it's expected to cost American taxpayers $60 to $100 million. I know immigration is important however, cleaning up our government wast & fraud before we start to add problems to it would go a long way for any budge.

41 posted on 06/16/2013 11:12:23 AM PDT by yoe
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To: jimbo123

Idiocy.


42 posted on 06/16/2013 11:12:48 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: jimbo123

Gramnesty must be parroting what Schumer whispered in his ear.

Gramnesty bought it.

McCain bought it.

Flake bought it.

Rubio bought it.

==

Schumer’s laughing all the way to the voting booths.


43 posted on 06/16/2013 11:15:30 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: jimbo123

Exactly the opposite of the truth.... that is, if the Republicans can ever win again . . . .


44 posted on 06/16/2013 11:16:14 AM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist

I tend to agree with this; but with the (very important!) caveat that an immigration bill must be accompanied by a provision that requires strict border control first.


It matter little what happens on the border if you massively increase legal immigration. For example there is a provision in this bill that allows those ALREADY deported and living outside the USA to apply for amnesty! So really the border issue is window dressing being crafted to hustle conservatives.

Schumer is trying to do the 1965 immigration bill on steriods here. Increase legal immigration so much it shifts the electorate to the left. Most troubling is that it seems that Graham and the beltway GOP want that also.


45 posted on 06/16/2013 11:18:01 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: jimbo123
Graham seems unaware of the way politics works in this country.

A quick reminder ~ there's a thing called 'the single member district'. Representatives, Senators, state legislators, city councilmen, county councilmen, sheriffs and judges are elected from single districts.

That means that for each and every politician in the country his best shot of winning is to assemble a coalition that can get him 50%+1 votes!

That number assures victory.

Thomas Jefferson was the first major political figure to recognize the math behind victory. He formed the Democratic-Republican party. Within about 3 elections he'd exterminated the Federalist party.

Eventually the Whig party was formed. They went after voters the same way and added a program of public works to the mix to attract voters who wanted roads, canals, port facilities and later on, railroads!

A second element in Jefferson's scheme of electoral victory was to identify the voters predisposed to voting for Democratic-Republican candidates long before the election time.

He then used the campaigns to rouse his followers to action and to denounce the opposition for its failures.

Obviously with two parties vying for a 50%+1 victory, they have to both become coalition parties, made up of a variety of groups.

Over time as a coalition partner begins to feel mistreated or deprived of their fair share of party offices, or nominations, the coalition may become dissatisfied and move to the other party!

In our time white Southerners moved to the Republicans; black Southerners moved to the Democrats; Catholics split in two with active, practicing, devout Catholics becoming Republicans and those who were less active, practicing or devout, gravitating toward the godless Democrats.

The Lutherans, as a broad group, have split similarly, as have the Episcopals (to some degree a leftover Federalist faction).

In earlier times other movements and shifts happened, including the movement of all Abolitionists to the Republican party, along with most of the Northern Whigs.

Lindsay Graham and the Democrats imagine that ALL the Hispanics will acrete to the Democrat party. Yet, that belief requires that you also believe Hispanics will accept traditional Democrat leadership groups ~ black politicians, Jewish politicians, white union politicians!

It could be the Hispanics will want THEIR OWN leadership group. In which case they will DISPLACE existing Democrat leadership groups leaving those factions in the gutter outside traditional politics.

So, let's say you're a Democrat politican who's just been booted out by the HIspanics? What do you do?

Or, better yet, let's say you are an Hispanic who went with the Democrats because they promised so much of what you think you want but no matter how hard you work you can't climb the ladders to get a party leadership position, and certainly not a try at a run for the county council or even the school board?

As has been the history in America, those who are disposessed by the group already in power will go to the other party!

Some politicians are motivated by their ideology, and some are motivated by their interest in power. My money is on politicians going for the golden ring no matter how they gotta' do it.

46 posted on 06/16/2013 11:18:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: jimbo123

a-hole


47 posted on 06/16/2013 11:18:36 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: jimbo123

We let the RINOs in too long. Now we are paying for it.


48 posted on 06/16/2013 11:20:31 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: TomGuy

These RINOs are buying what Schumer is selling because they don’t want to run or govern as conservatives. They would rather have Democrats in power than be called on to vote conservative. Look at Snowe, she quit rather than make some tough votes for Team GOP.


49 posted on 06/16/2013 11:21:43 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: jimbo123

They live in Bizarro World


50 posted on 06/16/2013 11:24:04 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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