Posted on 06/16/2013 2:51:15 PM PDT by CMB_polarization
Foreign politicians and officials who took part in two G20 summit meetings in London in 2009 had their computers monitored and their phone calls intercepted on the instructions of their British government hosts, according to documents seen by the Guardian. Some delegates were tricked into using internet cafes which had been set up by British intelligence agencies to read their email traffic.
(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...
This could cause a big diplomatic scandal. It should, I mean, then again we all live in Spy states
So, for all the FR imbeciles that think Snowden is a hero, this makes it abundantly obvious he’s just another America-hating Bradley Manning with a higher clearance, who grabbed a huge number of documents fairly indiscriminately, just like Manning.
The idea that he selectively grabbed just a few documents about internal US operations is clearly debunked. The Washington Post simply was really selective about what it published. The Guardian was selective in the beginning but now it’s clear that they’re going to dump most of the trove (and whatever they don’t print probably will end up on Wikileaks).
Article contains information about NSA intercept attempts against the Russian Foreign Minister’s communications, based on materials provided by Snowden.
This has NOTHING to do with the privacy of American citizens, and everything to do with what the NSA “should” be doing.
Though, blind worship of Russia by other imbeciles here might be so bad that now we think it’s terrible we’re spying on the Russians.
Wonder what they have planned for next weeks G8. Soon there will be no island left for them to meet on.
When the NSA is listening to Americans in America they are NOT doing “what they are supposed to be doing”
330 million Americans must be monitored when there are a limited number of people who could be dangerous. Most of those are in Mosques which were excluded.
Let me get this right —you think MorroccoBomber will get his claws on the product and NOT use it against future candidates..?
You think that?
Do I trust RUSSIA more than this INSECT...?
I’m sorry but the answer is YES.
1) I assume you didn't bother to read the article.
2) I presume you have difficulty reading and understanding simple sentences.
You said the NSA is doing what they are supposed to be doing.
Pretty simple they are way beyond that.
But its for “security” so you think its ok.
You should really see a doctor; either you have a severe vision problem or some sort of single-hemisphere brain damage that causes you not to be able to read the first half of sentences.
Can you go back and quote the ENTIRE line I typed?
Ahh so you are taking heat for your position and now you try to be insulting to deflect away from your utter humiliation.
Ahh so you are taking heat for your position and now you try to be insulting to deflect away from your utter humiliation
Yes, that’s correct. His entire mission is to shape your thoughts.
>> The idea that he selectively grabbed just a few documents about internal US operations is clearly debunked.
Maybe.
But the idea that the NSA selectively grabs data from sources it *should* be keeping an eye on — that’s been even MORE thoroughly debunked.
I don’t view Snowdon as a folk hero. But through his efforts, I have learned that what the NSA has been doing is...
a) wrong
b) unnecessary
c) the precursor to evil — all that data WILL be used malevolently, if not by Obama than by some future administration
and
d) a violation of my constitutional rights.
So wherever my opinion of Snowdon as an individual settles out, I’m glad he brought this gross abuse to light.
I’m sorry did you say something?
It also seems obvious that the Democrats are using the information for political reasons. Most likely to keep tabs on the Republicans and certainly the tea party and other conservative causes.
If the govt conducting spying on its own citizens for political and social reasons doesn’t scare a person then they aren’t awake.
What's humiliating is not having even the rudiments of reading comprehension.
My position is this; I'll try to use really small words and dumb it down a bit to grade-school level sentence construction, for your benefit:
1) Some people think Snowden is a hero.
2)Many of these people believe Snowden is nothing like Bradley Manning. They think he selectively took, and selectively released, information solely about NSA operations in the US.
3) This article in the Guardian is based on material that Snowden gave the Guardian.
4) Nothing in THIS article and THIS material has the slightest thing to do with the privacy of Americans.
5) Snowden's material in this article is about GCHQ operations. The UK has always been a close ally and we've long shared highly sensitive material to the benefit of both countries. Snowden taking and releasing this material breaks this trust and hurts an alliance.
6) These GCHQ operations are against other foreign countries, not the US.
7) In the article it is mentioned that Snowden also provided material about NSA attempts to intercept the communications of the Russian Foreign minister.
8) Trying to intercept Russian communications is what pretty much every sane person would believe that the NSA SHOULD be doing. I would assume the average FReeper (leaving aside the idiots with a teenage girl-crush on Putin because he hates gays as much as they do) would want the NSA to be intercepting high-level Russian communcations.
9) This is all evidence that Snowden took vast amounts of highly classified material from the NSA, and that probably very little of it has anything to do with spying on Americans.
9) That Snowden took and released this material reveals that he a) hates the US and b) is some sort of naïve globalist and c) Is in fact a traitor.
Let me know which of the above 9 points you don't understand, and I'll be happy to elaborate on them.
Again, I suggest you also try reading the Guardian article, or even better, find someone who can read well to slowly read the article to you.
This one is just plain funny:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4970708/Secret-Service-tractors-protect-Obama-G8.html
This latest case of US espionage in my book is very, very benign. I don’t object to this at all, in fact I welcome it very much.
However it seems to me that the inclusion of THIS in Snowden’s safety packet might not have necessarily reflected his political beliefs.
It was included out of an awareness that it would induce diplomatic damage.
My guess is that for political/safety leverage he would release it incrementally in a, “didn’t mind that punch? How about THIS one...?”-type manner.
I believe there are much more damaging revelations to come.
What scares me is: we don’t know the extent of FedGov spying on us, and we don’t know their purpose for doing it.
We do know that they’re building one hell of an (unconstitutional) federal police force, and arming it to the hilt.
I am NOT a conspiricy believer. For example, I don’t believe that there is even an idea, let alone a coherent plan, in place for using all this machinery for our subjugation. At this point, anyhow.
But, yes, it is sobering to watch all the pieces get put into place...
“I am NOT a conspiricy believer. For example, I don’t believe that there is even an idea, let alone a coherent plan, in place for using all this machinery for our subjugation. At this point, anyhow.”
Perhaps not in the Stalin model yet. They are certainly willing to do anything to push their social agenda. Which includes elimination of 75% of the worlds population. At least according to Hillary and Bill Gates type people.
I am curious why, over the years, you manage to end up on the wrong side of so many issues here on FR? I think I have a good idea.
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