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GCHQ intercepted foreign politicians' communications at G20 summits
The Guardian ^ | 16 June 2013 | Ewen MacAskill, Nick Davies, Nick Hopkins, Julian Borger and James Ball

Posted on 06/16/2013 2:51:15 PM PDT by CMB_polarization

Foreign politicians and officials who took part in two G20 summit meetings in London in 2009 had their computers monitored and their phone calls intercepted on the instructions of their British government hosts, according to documents seen by the Guardian. Some delegates were tricked into using internet cafes which had been set up by British intelligence agencies to read their email traffic.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1984; eavesdropping; espionage; gchq; nsa; spying

1 posted on 06/16/2013 2:51:15 PM PDT by CMB_polarization
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To: CMB_polarization

This could cause a big diplomatic scandal. It should, I mean, then again we all live in Spy states


2 posted on 06/16/2013 2:58:50 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: CMB_polarization

So, for all the FR imbeciles that think Snowden is a hero, this makes it abundantly obvious he’s just another America-hating Bradley Manning with a higher clearance, who grabbed a huge number of documents fairly indiscriminately, just like Manning.

The idea that he selectively grabbed just a few documents about internal US operations is clearly debunked. The Washington Post simply was really selective about what it published. The Guardian was selective in the beginning but now it’s clear that they’re going to dump most of the trove (and whatever they don’t print probably will end up on Wikileaks).

Article contains information about NSA intercept attempts against the Russian Foreign Minister’s communications, based on materials provided by Snowden.

This has NOTHING to do with the privacy of American citizens, and everything to do with what the NSA “should” be doing.

Though, blind worship of Russia by other imbeciles here might be so bad that now we think it’s terrible we’re spying on the Russians.


3 posted on 06/16/2013 3:01:12 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: GeronL

Wonder what they have planned for next weeks G8. Soon there will be no island left for them to meet on.


4 posted on 06/16/2013 3:01:55 PM PDT by bunster
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To: Strategerist

When the NSA is listening to Americans in America they are NOT doing “what they are supposed to be doing”

330 million Americans must be monitored when there are a limited number of people who could be dangerous. Most of those are in Mosques which were excluded.


5 posted on 06/16/2013 3:04:59 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Strategerist

Let me get this right —you think MorroccoBomber will get his claws on the product and NOT use it against future candidates..?

You think that?

Do I trust RUSSIA more than this INSECT...?

I’m sorry but the answer is YES.


6 posted on 06/16/2013 3:05:19 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: driftdiver
When the NSA is listening to Americans in America they are NOT doing “what they are supposed to be doing”

1) I assume you didn't bother to read the article.

2) I presume you have difficulty reading and understanding simple sentences.

7 posted on 06/16/2013 3:07:34 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

You said the NSA is doing what they are supposed to be doing.

Pretty simple they are way beyond that.

But its for “security” so you think its ok.


8 posted on 06/16/2013 3:11:03 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
You said the NSA is doing what they are supposed to be doing.

You should really see a doctor; either you have a severe vision problem or some sort of single-hemisphere brain damage that causes you not to be able to read the first half of sentences.

Can you go back and quote the ENTIRE line I typed?

9 posted on 06/16/2013 3:26:04 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

Ahh so you are taking heat for your position and now you try to be insulting to deflect away from your utter humiliation.


10 posted on 06/16/2013 3:32:10 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Ahh so you are taking heat for your position and now you try to be insulting to deflect away from your utter humiliation


Yes, that’s correct. His entire mission is to shape your thoughts.


11 posted on 06/16/2013 3:36:07 PM PDT by OwenKellogg (Fundamental transformation is costly.)
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To: Strategerist

>> The idea that he selectively grabbed just a few documents about internal US operations is clearly debunked.

Maybe.

But the idea that the NSA selectively grabs data from sources it *should* be keeping an eye on — that’s been even MORE thoroughly debunked.

I don’t view Snowdon as a folk hero. But through his efforts, I have learned that what the NSA has been doing is...

a) wrong
b) unnecessary
c) the precursor to evil — all that data WILL be used malevolently, if not by Obama than by some future administration
and
d) a violation of my constitutional rights.

So wherever my opinion of Snowdon as an individual settles out, I’m glad he brought this gross abuse to light.


12 posted on 06/16/2013 3:38:11 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: OwenKellogg

I’m sorry did you say something?


13 posted on 06/16/2013 3:39:55 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Nervous Tick

It also seems obvious that the Democrats are using the information for political reasons. Most likely to keep tabs on the Republicans and certainly the tea party and other conservative causes.

If the govt conducting spying on its own citizens for political and social reasons doesn’t scare a person then they aren’t awake.


14 posted on 06/16/2013 3:44:10 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Ahh so you are taking heat for your position and now you try to be insulting to deflect away from your utter humiliation.

What's humiliating is not having even the rudiments of reading comprehension.

My position is this; I'll try to use really small words and dumb it down a bit to grade-school level sentence construction, for your benefit:

1) Some people think Snowden is a hero.

2)Many of these people believe Snowden is nothing like Bradley Manning. They think he selectively took, and selectively released, information solely about NSA operations in the US.

3) This article in the Guardian is based on material that Snowden gave the Guardian.

4) Nothing in THIS article and THIS material has the slightest thing to do with the privacy of Americans.

5) Snowden's material in this article is about GCHQ operations. The UK has always been a close ally and we've long shared highly sensitive material to the benefit of both countries. Snowden taking and releasing this material breaks this trust and hurts an alliance.

6) These GCHQ operations are against other foreign countries, not the US.

7) In the article it is mentioned that Snowden also provided material about NSA attempts to intercept the communications of the Russian Foreign minister.

8) Trying to intercept Russian communications is what pretty much every sane person would believe that the NSA SHOULD be doing. I would assume the average FReeper (leaving aside the idiots with a teenage girl-crush on Putin because he hates gays as much as they do) would want the NSA to be intercepting high-level Russian communcations.

9) This is all evidence that Snowden took vast amounts of highly classified material from the NSA, and that probably very little of it has anything to do with spying on Americans.

9) That Snowden took and released this material reveals that he a) hates the US and b) is some sort of naïve globalist and c) Is in fact a traitor.

Let me know which of the above 9 points you don't understand, and I'll be happy to elaborate on them.

Again, I suggest you also try reading the Guardian article, or even better, find someone who can read well to slowly read the article to you.

15 posted on 06/16/2013 3:46:28 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: CMB_polarization

This one is just plain funny:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4970708/Secret-Service-tractors-protect-Obama-G8.html


16 posted on 06/16/2013 3:46:51 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: CMB_polarization

This latest case of US espionage in my book is very, very benign. I don’t object to this at all, in fact I welcome it very much.

However it seems to me that the inclusion of THIS in Snowden’s safety packet might not have necessarily reflected his political beliefs.

It was included out of an awareness that it would induce diplomatic damage.

My guess is that for political/safety leverage he would release it incrementally in a, “didn’t mind that punch? How about THIS one...?”-type manner.

I believe there are much more damaging revelations to come.


17 posted on 06/16/2013 3:47:11 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: driftdiver

What scares me is: we don’t know the extent of FedGov spying on us, and we don’t know their purpose for doing it.

We do know that they’re building one hell of an (unconstitutional) federal police force, and arming it to the hilt.

I am NOT a conspiricy believer. For example, I don’t believe that there is even an idea, let alone a coherent plan, in place for using all this machinery for our subjugation. At this point, anyhow.

But, yes, it is sobering to watch all the pieces get put into place...


18 posted on 06/16/2013 3:52:15 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nervous Tick

“I am NOT a conspiricy believer. For example, I don’t believe that there is even an idea, let alone a coherent plan, in place for using all this machinery for our subjugation. At this point, anyhow.”

Perhaps not in the Stalin model yet. They are certainly willing to do anything to push their social agenda. Which includes elimination of 75% of the worlds population. At least according to Hillary and Bill Gates type people.


19 posted on 06/16/2013 3:58:39 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Strategerist

I am curious why, over the years, you manage to end up on the wrong side of so many issues here on FR? I think I have a good idea.


20 posted on 06/16/2013 4:06:05 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: CMB_polarization

It took FIVE people to write this article! That has to be a record.


21 posted on 06/16/2013 4:06:08 PM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: Strategerist

Good posts. The Snowden case is an interesting one. One does not have to accept false choices of either being for the NSA or Snowden. Some people apparently can’t deal with multiple bad guys and degrees of bad. Both the NSA and Snowden are wrong. Snowden’s action crossed a line when he started spewing off about China. Snowden should be tracked down and neutralized (shot) before he does any more damage. NSA should be reined in and those involved dealt with. There are no heroes here.


22 posted on 06/16/2013 4:28:52 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: CMB_polarization
This included: • Setting up internet cafes where they used an email interception programme and key-logging software to spy on delegates' use of computers; • Penetrating the security on delegates' BlackBerrys to monitor their email messages and phone calls; • Supplying 45 analysts with a live round-the-clock summary of who was phoning who at the summit; • Targeting the Turkish finance minister and possibly 15 others in his party; • Receiving reports from an NSA attempt to eavesdrop on the Russian leader, Dmitry Medvedev, as his phone calls passed through satellite links to Moscow. One document refers to a tactic which was "used a lot in recent UK conference, eg G20". The tactic, which is identified by an internal codeword which the Guardian is not revealing, is defined in an internal glossary as "active collection against an email account that acquires mail messages without removing them from the remote server". A PowerPoint slide explains that this means "reading people's email before/as they do". The same document also refers to GCHQ, MI6 and others setting up internet cafes which "were able to extract key logging info, providing creds for delegates, meaning we have sustained intelligence options against them even after conference has finished". This appears to be a reference to acquiring delegates' online login details. Another document summarises a sustained campaign to penetrate South African computers, recording that they gained access to the network of their foreign ministry, "investigated phone lines used by High Commission in London" and "retrieved documents including briefings for South African delegates to G20 and G8 meetings". (South Africa is a member of the G20 group and has observer status at G8 meetings.)
23 posted on 06/16/2013 4:32:58 PM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: Strategerist; driftdiver

24 posted on 06/16/2013 4:35:32 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

I got my whistle


25 posted on 06/16/2013 4:36:28 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

LOL, I’m just having a little fun and trying to lighten the mood up.


26 posted on 06/16/2013 4:39:56 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

Thats probably needed. I guess it comes down to me not understanding why some people will support the clearly unconstitutional actions of this administration.

We should be rioting in the streets over this.


27 posted on 06/16/2013 4:42:27 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

There is so much crazy stuff going on in the news, that I think a lot of people are on edge. It’s hard not to be angry at any number of things. IRS, NSA, Benghazi, Syria, Fast and Furious, etc...


28 posted on 06/16/2013 4:45:36 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: driftdiver

OK. When will you start rioting?


29 posted on 06/16/2013 4:51:36 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Strategerist

If you think the NSA monitoring is effective against terrorism, then why not simply place a LEO inside of every home? That would be really effective!

Cannot believe the people so willing to give up their liberties to be “protected” when in fact this protection is merely a facade, as proven by the Boston Marathon.


30 posted on 06/16/2013 4:53:18 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: driftdiver; Strategerist

“Ahh so you are taking heat for your position and now you try to be insulting to deflect away from your utter humiliation.”

Now insulting? Insulting from the first post on the thread...I scroll past now.


31 posted on 06/16/2013 5:03:38 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: austinaero

I really need to quit rattling my zipper.


32 posted on 06/16/2013 5:04:15 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Henry Hnyellar

The time to riot will be when Snowden proves zero electronically fraudulently stole ‘12.

... which could be tomorrow.


33 posted on 06/16/2013 5:06:45 PM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: gaijin

“My guess is that for political/safety leverage he would release it incrementally in a, “didn’t mind that punch? How about THIS one...?”-type manner.”

Breitbart style


34 posted on 06/16/2013 5:19:36 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: driftdiver

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- An observation -

People that “carry” in various situations are now carrying everything from a Seecamp .32 to a Colt .45acp 100% of the time

Tracking, recording, and archiving everyone’s phone calls and emails is never going to stop Americans from shutting down the NAZIS in Washington DC -

Bite the pill crackhead

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35 posted on 06/16/2013 5:22:23 PM PDT by devolve (----- ----- ----- it not unlegal iffen I do*s it ----- ----- -----)
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To: driftdiver

I think that because we’ve been deceived, lied to, and steam rolled over, we (Americans) are desperate for the truth and validation of how we perceive policy ..and most of us will take it any way we can get it.


36 posted on 06/16/2013 5:27:03 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: devolve

Don’t do drugs and carry myself.

You haven’t stopped a single thing yet. Everything Obama wants is either done or on its way.


37 posted on 06/16/2013 5:31:56 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: CMB_polarization

Like it or not, this what these agencies are supposed to do..


38 posted on 06/16/2013 5:48:11 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Skip impeachment and move straight to deportation..)
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To: driftdiver

When did posters on FR (won’t call themFreepers) become such jerks? (not you)


39 posted on 06/16/2013 6:00:52 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: HollyB

A person who wants to hold political office may run the first time on ‘principles’ but subsequent elections are probably because they like being there or just need the job. Since so many of them are extremely wealthy I assume its more of the first category.

To win elections its a matter of numbers. They do whatever they have to in order to get the votes to stay in office. The bastard Karl Rove is an expert at this. Its why people like him control the Republican party. Just my opinion.


40 posted on 06/16/2013 6:07:14 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: CMB_polarization

use PGP or one-time-pads


41 posted on 06/16/2013 6:11:37 PM PDT by RockyTx
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To: plain talk

Heroes in this case....are not existent.

First, there are a small circle of Senators who likely knew all of the basic details to Snowden’s accusations, for several years, and never told the NSA to hold back. Each of these ladies and gentlemen knew there were violations of American law being committed.

Second, there is a US Army general in charge of NSA, who is honor-bound to obey American law. He has failed at his oath.

Third, this Snowden character is narcissist and this tendency should have been demonstrated at various points....to such a degree....that his clearance should have been revoked. They should have tested this guy yearly, and followed his comments that he posted on-line. He was a problem, waiting to occur.

Fourth and final....none of this is a Bush or Obama issue. NSA and the programs all started years ago, and mostly run on automatic. Congress grants them billions and a President likely gets an hour or two a week in briefings from them. This digital library of sorts being built in Utah? It needs to be separated from the agency and controlled by a totally separate unit, with a federal judge on the site...twenty-four hours a day (shift-work if necessary). That judge needs to appear in front of Congress quarterly and be the gate-keeper to prevent abuse from political figures. If he fails to do his job....he needs to do jail-time.


42 posted on 06/16/2013 6:53:35 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

riiiiiiight.

Id rather take my chances with a nuke thank you very much.

Government is NOT to be trusted. I live in a 95% republican county and these jackholes are all pay to play. It is as corrupt as the senate. Hundreds of millions stolen and this is just our county.


43 posted on 06/16/2013 7:10:31 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: Strategerist
A couple of things:

Yes I think Snowden was right in exposing the NSA's overreach of spying on all Americans.

You assume that Snowden read every single item he gave to the Guardian, if he read this and still chose to turn it over then he was wrong.

If the NSA thinks that privacy of Americans is not something that should be respected, should the NSA expect their privacy to be respected?

44 posted on 06/16/2013 7:37:39 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: CMB_polarization

Snowden was disappointed in Obama in that he bashed Bush about spying on Americans but then expanded the program.

Since it came out, Obama has tried to justify it and stay above the scandal. Snowden has been trashed and the left tries to discredit him and downplay the seriousness of the spying. Yet they attacked Bush relentlessly for less. But Snowden’s beef is with the president and he doesn’t plan on ever coming back to America to stand trial. Releasing this information hurts Obama.

Snowden will keep landing punches because Obama will keep ignoring him and the spying and the left will keep trying to fight Snowden.

I hope Snowden has audio of embarrassing conversations of famous people because that will wake up a few more people by personalizing the spying.


45 posted on 06/17/2013 12:50:26 AM PDT by Rad_J
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To: driftdiver

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- Sorry -

“CRACKHEAD” :

“Maybe a little blow” - Obama’s own words in his first book

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My “Bite the pill” comment refers to what Heinrich Himmler did biting down on the hidden cyanide pill in his mouth after he was captured.....

I figured putting a current NAZI’S name there “might not be prudent” at this time

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46 posted on 06/17/2013 8:00:01 AM PDT by devolve (----- ----- ----- it not unlegal iffen I do*s it ----- ----- -----)
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