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To: CMB_polarization

So, for all the FR imbeciles that think Snowden is a hero, this makes it abundantly obvious he’s just another America-hating Bradley Manning with a higher clearance, who grabbed a huge number of documents fairly indiscriminately, just like Manning.

The idea that he selectively grabbed just a few documents about internal US operations is clearly debunked. The Washington Post simply was really selective about what it published. The Guardian was selective in the beginning but now it’s clear that they’re going to dump most of the trove (and whatever they don’t print probably will end up on Wikileaks).

Article contains information about NSA intercept attempts against the Russian Foreign Minister’s communications, based on materials provided by Snowden.

This has NOTHING to do with the privacy of American citizens, and everything to do with what the NSA “should” be doing.

Though, blind worship of Russia by other imbeciles here might be so bad that now we think it’s terrible we’re spying on the Russians.


3 posted on 06/16/2013 3:01:12 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

When the NSA is listening to Americans in America they are NOT doing “what they are supposed to be doing”

330 million Americans must be monitored when there are a limited number of people who could be dangerous. Most of those are in Mosques which were excluded.


5 posted on 06/16/2013 3:04:59 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Strategerist

Let me get this right —you think MorroccoBomber will get his claws on the product and NOT use it against future candidates..?

You think that?

Do I trust RUSSIA more than this INSECT...?

I’m sorry but the answer is YES.


6 posted on 06/16/2013 3:05:19 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Strategerist

>> The idea that he selectively grabbed just a few documents about internal US operations is clearly debunked.

Maybe.

But the idea that the NSA selectively grabs data from sources it *should* be keeping an eye on — that’s been even MORE thoroughly debunked.

I don’t view Snowdon as a folk hero. But through his efforts, I have learned that what the NSA has been doing is...

a) wrong
b) unnecessary
c) the precursor to evil — all that data WILL be used malevolently, if not by Obama than by some future administration
and
d) a violation of my constitutional rights.

So wherever my opinion of Snowdon as an individual settles out, I’m glad he brought this gross abuse to light.


12 posted on 06/16/2013 3:38:11 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Strategerist

I am curious why, over the years, you manage to end up on the wrong side of so many issues here on FR? I think I have a good idea.


20 posted on 06/16/2013 4:06:05 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Strategerist

If you think the NSA monitoring is effective against terrorism, then why not simply place a LEO inside of every home? That would be really effective!

Cannot believe the people so willing to give up their liberties to be “protected” when in fact this protection is merely a facade, as proven by the Boston Marathon.


30 posted on 06/16/2013 4:53:18 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Strategerist
A couple of things:

Yes I think Snowden was right in exposing the NSA's overreach of spying on all Americans.

You assume that Snowden read every single item he gave to the Guardian, if he read this and still chose to turn it over then he was wrong.

If the NSA thinks that privacy of Americans is not something that should be respected, should the NSA expect their privacy to be respected?

44 posted on 06/16/2013 7:37:39 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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