Skip to comments.Ask Foghorn: Are Suppressors a Good Idea for Home Defense Guns?
Posted on 06/16/2013 5:25:57 PM PDT by marktwain
Now that I am turning 40 and I have a toddler in the house I
am rethinking my Home Defense strategies and tactics. One of my biggest thoughts (in terms of money and time investment) is filing the requisite paperwork and getting suppressors for my HD guns. What are your thoughts? Also, what happens to my suppressor in the case of a DGU? What else should I consider?
In my opinion, if you live in a silencer-friendly state and you dont have a can on your home defense gun, that should be your next purchase. Like, your very next purchase, even over ammunition . . .
Think about the standard home defense scenario for a second. Youre in an enclosed space, facing an unknown number of a-holes, and all you have on your side is stealth and surprise. Firing a gun, ANY gun, in that situation immediately makes the situation worse for the defenders.
First, youre now deaf. Not permanently, but enough that its painful and disorienting. Try firing your gun sometime when you are on an open outdoor range, and notice how long it takes for your hearing to come back. Now imagine that there are a bunch of very helpful walls to bounce that sound right back into your ears instead of it dissipating into the air. Yeah, no bueno.
So now youre deaf. Where are the bad guys? Perhaps you shot one of them, and maybe hes down. Maybe hes not, and hes running off somewhere, leaking. Are they regrouping? Are there more? You cant hear a damned thing, so all you have to go on is your eyesight. And in the stereotypical home defense scenario that we think about (it was a cold, dark night ) your eyesight alone isnt really going to cut the mustard. You need to hear if they are still moving, where they are, etc. Which you cant do now that youre deaf.
Finally, youve also given away your location. They know exactly where you are, what you have, and how many rounds youve fired. The element of surprise has evaporated. On the one hand, this could be good enough to send them scurrying into the night. Or they could regroup and try to take you down. It depends on what their plan is, but being deaf, you have no idea whats going on.
So yeah, a silencer sounds like a brilliant idea. Which is why Im using my 300 AAC Blackout SBR as my bedside gun, the ability to fire it without killing my hearing. For now, that is. I have a 9mm silencer sitting in the local gun shop on the last couple weeks of waiting for the transfer to be approved. And once that comes back, it is going straight on my Sig Sauer Mk. 25 and replacing the rifle.
And this isnt just me spouting another of my harebrained theories Chris Costa agrees. And so does his beard.
As for what happens when you use a silenced gun in a home defense situation, thats going to depend on your local officials. I can tell you exactly whats going to happen to my gun if I ever need to use it, namely that SAPD is going to confiscate it and throw it in the locker with everything else. And if Im lucky, Ill see it again even if it was ruled a justifiable homicide and no charges are brought. Im still taking that ride downtown for manslaughter until they figure out what happened.
Even if I never see the gun again, Id still be perfectly happy buying a new gun and silencer. Because to me, my life is worth more than the price of a new gun.
I have no experience with them. I could see where someone might want one, though.
Yes. I will take that moment and twist those little yellow fellows into my ears before I deafen everyone in the friggin house.
I've actually mashed the bang button inside an enclosed space. I still remember something like being hit on the bridge of the nose with a baseball bat.
I can screw up once. My mouth will be open, and I will be exhaling.
Home invasion robberies are a different story in that the robbers knew people were home. The vast majority of these type robberies happen to victims that are unable to report the crime to the law. The ones that get reported in the news are typically mistakes made by the robbers. The robbers either had the wrong address or incorrectly believed the occupants would not tell the police.
A silencer might make sense when two people are defending a dwelling. One has an unsilenced gun to draw attention while the other uses the silenced weapon to pick off the bad guys.
I suppose the intrepid home guardian could keep handy with his guns some sort of noise protector plugs or earmuffs (aren’t there some which allow near normal hearing yet filter out sharp bursts as from guns?). They take what, 5 seconds to pop in or slip on?
And/or, cover your ceiling and walls with noise absorbent material. If kids scream and holler, which most kids do from time to time, it’s nice to avoid propagating the noise through the house more than necessary.
If you can get the silencers more power to ya of course. But unfortunately our Caesars have sometimes made it more trouble than it’s worth.
Ranking right after disposing of the threat for me was the safety issues and problems raised by one or more frightened, screaming child running around half asleep in the dark...one who forgot to get under the bed as you had trained him. (We are talking about CA at the time.)
Good idea, but until you can get one without paying out the wazoo and not end up in the Fed’s database, no thanks.
Wow, I was just thinking about that earlier today. There was a Discovering Florida (or something like that) show on today and they were taking their wife skeet shooting for the first time. They panned to a table full of the right gear to have and there was ear protection. I though, wow, you don’t have (or necessarily want) ear protection for home defense (how else to hear the bad guys) so what to do? Go to the range and practice in a noisy environment or, d’oh!, as this thread advises, get a suppressor!
Auditory exclusion is most likely going to come into play during a home defense encounter. So as to the need for a suppressor, although not a bad idea, is really going to be moot for a home defense type of engagement. Additionally, in the highly unlikely event that you will have to defend yourself with your weapon/suppressor; do you really want to risk losing your Class 3 items during the subsequent investigation and court proceedings?
Plastic water bottle? Oven mitt for a small handgun?
If we had any actual representatives, they’d pass the hearing protection act of 2013 and make all suppressors legal immediately. It’d be to save medical costs down the road and be able to lay off some BATFE minions.
Those are some interesting points at least worth thinking about.
Firing rifles has often hurt my ears when done without protection.
However, I noticed that, while hunting quail with two other men, a quail burst from cover. Three 12 ga shotguns went off at the same instant less than three feet apart from each other.
I noticed I did not hear the shots, nor did my ears hurt. Perhaps my mind was on the quail. It was tore up real bad.
FWIW - I disagree. I suppose if you want a can have at it -they make for a nicer day on the range and are very useful for varmint hunting.
However, they do not silence completely so stealth is rather pointless in a building. In a home defense scenario the deafening noise on the business end in an enclosed space can be a major advantage. As loud as it is on your end it is shockingly loud in front of the muzzle.
Assuming multiple intruders you give away an advantage. It’s so loud it’s almost incapacitating and with your adrenaline dump you will not notice. In a live shoot house it’s still incredibly loud with double hearing protection.
Tactical shooting is like the car lot - everyone has their own opinion and your mileage might vary. I have been carrying for 20 years in law enforcement and have been an instructor for over 15 years with multiple certifications and lots of schools and experience. Still miss the MP5SD I had issued for several years - fun to shoot and the suppressor is among the best.
You are better off investing the 300-1000 bucks for a can on an alarm, CCTV system, gate/fence, dog, and/or other security. Just my .02.
However, as someone with a few cans if you are trying to convince the wife this is prudent I am all in and a can is absolutely warranted.
That sounds implausible. With the exception of some integral suppressors, which vent off gasses early to keep the bullet subsonic, a silencer attached to the end of the barrel would (if anything) extend the effective barrel length slightly and add to bullet velocity. If you used subsonic ammo, that would reduce velocity and reduce penetration, and someone looking for a very quiet shot might use both the silencer and the subsonic ammo. [Note: math/physics answer not from personal experience, but I'm pretty sure it is correct.]
Even if I never see the gun again, Id still be perfectly happy buying a new gun and silencer. Because to me, my life is worth more than the price of a new gun.
One of the gun guys on YouTube that the NSA watches me watch goes by the handle of "The Yankee Marshal". He likes Glock handguns because they work well, are relatively inexpensive and can be easily replaced. I see his point; the thought of a ported Kimber 1911 compact sitting in an evidence locker is distressing, but a Glock - not so much.
As for suppressors... unless the police witness your shootout, why tell them you used one? I'm sure that avoiding the federal paperwork on a "lost" NFA item alone is worth taking ten seconds to unscrew that can and place it out of sight.
Pillow works well. Usually pretty close to where you are in repose.
Ya well if the guy isn’t all that good, saying .....l.
Couple of thoughts here. The big bang certainly has a stunning effect on everyone, especially when it is not anticipated. Did you know that you cannot get car sick if you are driving? Why? because your body anticipates the movement. Same for the blast. Your body will anticipate it. Oh you will experience some stun, but nothing like the disorientation of those not expecting it. Throw in the fact that they are likely not familiar with your place and you have absolute chaos in their brains. If you can hold it together, you will no doubt be in charge.
Any idea what happens if you pop off the suppressor (and replace the thread protector) after a self-defense shoot and don't mention that the shots were suppressed? My guess is that you probably don't get caught. My guess is also that if you do get caught, it looks VERY bad.
Another, cheaper alternative is active electronic hearing protection. Good muffs that amplify sound and shut off in a micro second for very loud noises, such as gun shots.
I have used them a lot, and they are pretty effective.
I wanna make some noise
Well, it does screw up the pillow pretty bad, with feathers and stuff all over the place. Then one has to be sure they are holding the pillow with the off hand not in the path of the bullet, can get complicated real quick.
Exactly where I am at on this.
Let ‘er rip.
Boom boom boom.
Those that are still left alive will be too busy trying to find a way out to be a problem.
I am totally against any silencer. get loud or give the gun to a real man.
I think willfully withholding any information from LE absent the advice of legal counsel after a self-defense shooting has got the potential of going sideways very quickly. That being said, I’ve never heard of any ballistics testing which can be used to determine the use of a suppressor. Presumably, you could have a baffle strike which may leave trace evidence on the bullet, but that’s just my WAG.
Can't hurt if they are there. Circumstances will dictate if they get used.
Six 12 ga. shells and a full choke make this question irrelevant
I’ve already lost most of my hearing from magnum revolvers, so I’m not concerned with unleashing the thunder and lightening on a home invader. I’d prefer it. Keeps their faces down in the high pile shag after that first round lights up the room and shakes the pitchers’ off the wall. The muzzle blast from a 3” GP100, unleashing a full house .357 is ahem, impressive. Yes, I love a little buck and snort.
How do you aim through the pillow?
You mean sub-machine guns or assault weapons. I doubt the police were using belt-fed machine guns.
It could be argued either way.
For example, there are countless stories on record of that loud “Bang!” setting housebreakers to flight.
Personally, I can see the wish to remain discreet, particularly with kids in the house; however, and speaking for myself, I’d prefer that loud, terrifying, and abrupt noise of firearms to put housebreakers on notice that there’s an armed defender in their path.
I think that, statistically, the tendency is to run like h*ll when a shot is fired.
Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
I also like to keep a muffler on my backhoe, so I can bury the crook after shooting him, and not wake the neighbors.
Out to about 20 feet or so, I can usually hit a paper plate with either hand, sitting, laying down, or standing, without using the sights. If I wanted precision and needed to aim down to a tennis ball size target, yeah, I would raise the sights up to my line of sight. Truthfully, I probably would just grab the firearm and send lead down the hall, the thought of hearing protection not being on the front burner during the encounter. But I was having fun with the pillow silencer, as it is handy, if you really have the time to consider one when you hear glass breaking or the creak in the hall way at dark thirty.
silencers are the best overlooked idea around when it comes to self defense weapons and strategies.
Mufflers/silencers are a good idea if all you’re concerned with is protecting your hearing. However, there are other more important things than your hearing to consider when facing an armed man. It is of paramount importance that when you shoot an armed man, you want him to know immediately that he’s been shot, and without the noise he may not immediately realize this. Next to the bullet and shot placement in a gunfight, the biggest killer is shock, and without the noise associated with a gunshot, your opponent may not immediately realize he’s been shot, and without this understanding, he won’t go into shock, but instead he’ll empty his magazine in your direction.
This tidbit of knowledge was gained the hard way.
“They take what, 5 seconds to pop in or slip on?”
One one thousand.
Two one thousand.
Three one thousand.
Four one thousand.
Five one thousand.
That’s a long time with footsteps racing up the stairs after the window crashes in. Nice if your “earplugs” are already applied when you pick up the gun, and it’s one less thing to fiddle with when you’d rather be working on a sight picture.
Hold still while I screw in my suppressor.....
Guess I’m a little different. The satisfaction of delivering 12 ga., 00 buck or flechettes indoors without earplugs to felonious invaders would leave me grinning—bleeding ears, wobbly walk and all. ;-D
Dead just sucks.
Not you personally, dead.
I can stand 45 ACP outside, I don’t know about in a small room. I shot 1911s next to other sailors and marines, with no hearing protection. The weapon I was standing behind was nowhere near as loud as the ones on either side of me though. I noticed that with M14s too.
22 mag is real loud. 357 mag out of a three or four inch barrel is REAL loud. Hearing damage loud.
The smell of burning powder brings the unpleasant memory of seemingly endless rotations on ranges, doing all that we were told, when we were told. I try not to remember those times much. Serious talk of injury and death reminds me of bouncing and other civilian duties. I avoid remembering those, too. So back to morbid humor. ;-)
Ever hear any of the variations of the running cadence, to the melody of “Music, Music, Music” (”put another nickle in”), “Load another magazine, in my trusty M-16. All I ever wanna see, is bodies, bodies, bodies?”
Seriously, there’s an effective attitude for fighting/warfare and an attitude for everything else in our wonderful civilian world, IMO. One can learn to separate the two quite well. In a fight, a man’s mind should be as calm and serene as the surface of a still pond. But he should not move like pond water.
“This guy thought he was ‘James Bond’, with a license to kill!”
Ambitious deputy prosecutor
not a good idea.
Pump shotgun for home defense, with shorter barrel.
The sound of a pump racking one into the chamber has caused many a crook to flee. Even if they have a handgun, shotty beats handgun in close quarters.
Outside, is a different story.
You don't need a permit for a pair of these and they actually increase your hearing while simultaneously blocking gunshots-nothing wrong with that.
Here the cops use frangible rounds in the ar15s. That’s what one of them told me when we were talking at the local gun shop. I was asking him about DRT. He said it was good and that the Hornady Zombie Max was essentially the same as what they used to lessen over penetration.
I guess it depends on your frame of mind, surroundings slang and the dictionary you are using. A M4 is a machined gun as is a MP3. I am not so narrow minded to have to have exact precise “Hoyle” definition of everything as I come in contact with many groups and dialect. Some people are just hard to talk to.
Hearing loss is cumulative. A single home defense shooting is not going to damage your hearing. Continuous (unprotected) exposure, to the roar of a common garden variety chain saw or lawn mower, will do more damage.