Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Ask Foghorn: Are Suppressors a Good Idea for Home Defense Guns?
The Truth About Guns ^ | 15 June, 2013 | Nick Leghorn

Posted on 06/16/2013 5:25:57 PM PDT by marktwain

Mike asks:

Now that I am turning 40 and I have a toddler in the house I
am rethinking my Home Defense strategies and tactics. One of my biggest thoughts (in terms of money and time investment) is filing the requisite paperwork and getting suppressors for my HD guns. What are your thoughts? Also, what happens to my suppressor in the case of a DGU? What else should I consider?

In my opinion, if you live in a silencer-friendly state and you don’t have a can on your home defense gun, that should be your next purchase. Like, your very next purchase, even over ammunition . . .

Think about the standard home defense scenario for a second. You’re in an enclosed space, facing an unknown number of a-holes, and all you have on your side is stealth and surprise. Firing a gun, ANY gun, in that situation immediately makes the situation worse for the defenders.

First, you’re now deaf. Not permanently, but enough that it’s painful and disorienting. Try firing your gun sometime when you are on an open outdoor range, and notice how long it takes for your hearing to come back. Now imagine that there are a bunch of very helpful walls to bounce that sound right back into your ears instead of it dissipating into the air. Yeah, no bueno.

So now you’re deaf. Where are the bad guys? Perhaps you shot one of them, and maybe he’s down. Maybe he’s not, and he’s running off somewhere, leaking. Are they regrouping? Are there more? You can’t hear a damned thing, so all you have to go on is your eyesight. And in the stereotypical home defense scenario that we think about (it was a cold, dark night…) your eyesight alone isn’t really going to cut the mustard. You need to hear if they are still moving, where they are, etc. Which you can’t do now that you’re deaf.

Finally, you’ve also given away your location. They know exactly where you are, what you have, and how many rounds you’ve fired. The element of surprise has evaporated. On the one hand, this could be good enough to send them scurrying into the night. Or they could regroup and try to take you down. It depends on what their plan is, but being deaf, you have no idea what’s going on.

So yeah, a silencer sounds like a brilliant idea. Which is why I’m using my 300 AAC Blackout SBR as my bedside gun, the ability to fire it without killing my hearing. For now, that is. I have a 9mm silencer sitting in the local gun shop on the last couple weeks of waiting for the transfer to be approved. And once that comes back, it is going straight on my Sig Sauer Mk. 25 and replacing the rifle.

And this isn’t just me spouting another of my harebrained theories — Chris Costa agrees. And so does his beard.

As for what happens when you use a silenced gun in a home defense situation, that’s going to depend on your local officials. I can tell you exactly what’s going to happen to my gun if I ever need to use it, namely that SAPD is going to confiscate it and throw it in the locker with everything else. And if I’m lucky, I’ll see it again — even if it was ruled a justifiable homicide and no charges are brought. I’m still taking that ride downtown for manslaughter until they figure out what happened.

Even if I never see the gun again, I’d still be perfectly happy buying a new gun and silencer. Because to me, my life is worth more than the price of a new gun.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; gunmuffler; secondamendment; silencer; suppressor
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-53 next last
I have always supported the idea of gun mufflers for home defense.
1 posted on 06/16/2013 5:25:57 PM PDT by marktwain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: marktwain

I have no experience with them. I could see where someone might want one, though.


2 posted on 06/16/2013 5:30:15 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain
On the velcro tabs holding in my 1911 style, resides a little round black box.

Yes. I will take that moment and twist those little yellow fellows into my ears before I deafen everyone in the friggin house.

I've actually mashed the bang button inside an enclosed space. I still remember something like being hit on the bridge of the nose with a baseball bat.

I can screw up once. My mouth will be open, and I will be exhaling.

Never twice.

/johnny

3 posted on 06/16/2013 5:32:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain
I disagree. Ignoring for a moment home invasion robberies, most burglaries of an occupied dwelling happened by mistake. The burglars thought nobody was home. Once you start firing, their whole plan just went out the window and their first instinct will be to retreat. Furthermore, firing will alert the neighbors.

Home invasion robberies are a different story in that the robbers knew people were home. The vast majority of these type robberies happen to victims that are unable to report the crime to the law. The ones that get reported in the news are typically mistakes made by the robbers. The robbers either had the wrong address or incorrectly believed the occupants would not tell the police.

A silencer might make sense when two people are defending a dwelling. One has an unsilenced gun to draw attention while the other uses the silenced weapon to pick off the bad guys.

4 posted on 06/16/2013 5:34:30 PM PDT by fso301
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain
I saw something on TV that some SWAT assault squads used silencers to reduce the force of the bullet so it was less likely to penetrate a sheet rock wall. They had machine guns so they could make up form the loss. you are going to have a stressful night after the shooting answering all the questions form the cops so it might help to be a big hard of hearing. I have 12ga as I am concerned about a bear entering uninvited.
5 posted on 06/16/2013 5:35:08 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GenXteacher

I suppose the intrepid home guardian could keep handy with his guns some sort of noise protector plugs or earmuffs (aren’t there some which allow near normal hearing yet filter out sharp bursts as from guns?). They take what, 5 seconds to pop in or slip on?

And/or, cover your ceiling and walls with noise absorbent material. If kids scream and holler, which most kids do from time to time, it’s nice to avoid propagating the noise through the house more than necessary.

If you can get the silencers more power to ya of course. But unfortunately our Caesars have sometimes made it more trouble than it’s worth.


6 posted on 06/16/2013 5:35:27 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Ranking right after disposing of the threat for me was the safety issues and problems raised by one or more frightened, screaming child running around half asleep in the dark...one who forgot to get under the bed as you had trained him. (We are talking about CA at the time.)


7 posted on 06/16/2013 5:35:57 PM PDT by frog in a pot ("To each according to his need..." This from a guy who never had a real job and his family starved.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Good idea, but until you can get one without paying out the wazoo and not end up in the Fed’s database, no thanks.


8 posted on 06/16/2013 5:37:50 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Wow, I was just thinking about that earlier today. There was a Discovering Florida (or something like that) show on today and they were taking their wife skeet shooting for the first time. They panned to a table full of the right gear to have and there was ear protection. I though, wow, you don’t have (or necessarily want) ear protection for home defense (how else to hear the bad guys) so what to do? Go to the range and practice in a noisy environment or, d’oh!, as this thread advises, get a suppressor!


9 posted on 06/16/2013 5:38:56 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Auditory exclusion is most likely going to come into play during a home defense encounter. So as to the need for a suppressor, although not a bad idea, is really going to be moot for a home defense type of engagement. Additionally, in the highly unlikely event that you will have to defend yourself with your weapon/suppressor; do you really want to risk losing your Class 3 items during the subsequent investigation and court proceedings?


10 posted on 06/16/2013 5:38:58 PM PDT by kildak
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Plastic water bottle? Oven mitt for a small handgun?


11 posted on 06/16/2013 5:39:44 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

If we had any actual representatives, they’d pass the hearing protection act of 2013 and make all suppressors legal immediately. It’d be to save medical costs down the road and be able to lay off some BATFE minions.


12 posted on 06/16/2013 5:39:52 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fso301

Those are some interesting points at least worth thinking about.


13 posted on 06/16/2013 5:40:00 PM PDT by yarddog (There Are Three Things That Remain--Faith, Hope, and Love--and,the Greatest of These is Love..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Firing rifles has often hurt my ears when done without protection.

However, I noticed that, while hunting quail with two other men, a quail burst from cover. Three 12 ga shotguns went off at the same instant less than three feet apart from each other.

I noticed I did not hear the shots, nor did my ears hurt. Perhaps my mind was on the quail. It was tore up real bad.


14 posted on 06/16/2013 5:41:46 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

FWIW - I disagree. I suppose if you want a can have at it -they make for a nicer day on the range and are very useful for varmint hunting.

However, they do not silence completely so stealth is rather pointless in a building. In a home defense scenario the deafening noise on the business end in an enclosed space can be a major advantage. As loud as it is on your end it is shockingly loud in front of the muzzle.

Assuming multiple intruders you give away an advantage. It’s so loud it’s almost incapacitating and with your adrenaline dump you will not notice. In a live shoot house it’s still incredibly loud with double hearing protection.

Tactical shooting is like the car lot - everyone has their own opinion and your mileage might vary. I have been carrying for 20 years in law enforcement and have been an instructor for over 15 years with multiple certifications and lots of schools and experience. Still miss the MP5SD I had issued for several years - fun to shoot and the suppressor is among the best.

You are better off investing the 300-1000 bucks for a can on an alarm, CCTV system, gate/fence, dog, and/or other security. Just my .02.

However, as someone with a few cans if you are trying to convince the wife this is prudent I am all in and a can is absolutely warranted.


15 posted on 06/16/2013 5:42:11 PM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mountainlion
I saw something on TV that some SWAT assault squads used silencers to reduce the force of the bullet so it was less likely to penetrate a sheet rock wall.

That sounds implausible. With the exception of some integral suppressors, which vent off gasses early to keep the bullet subsonic, a silencer attached to the end of the barrel would (if anything) extend the effective barrel length slightly and add to bullet velocity. If you used subsonic ammo, that would reduce velocity and reduce penetration, and someone looking for a very quiet shot might use both the silencer and the subsonic ammo. [Note: math/physics answer not from personal experience, but I'm pretty sure it is correct.]

16 posted on 06/16/2013 5:44:59 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: marktwain
As for what happens when you use a silenced gun in a home defense situation, that’s going to depend on your local officials. I can tell you exactly what’s going to happen to my gun if I ever need to use it, namely that SAPD is going to confiscate it and throw it in the locker with everything else. And if I’m lucky, I’ll see it again — even if it was ruled a justifiable homicide and no charges are brought. I’m still taking that ride downtown for manslaughter until they figure out what happened.

Even if I never see the gun again, I’d still be perfectly happy buying a new gun and silencer. Because to me, my life is worth more than the price of a new gun.

One of the gun guys on YouTube that the NSA watches me watch goes by the handle of "The Yankee Marshal". He likes Glock handguns because they work well, are relatively inexpensive and can be easily replaced. I see his point; the thought of a ported Kimber 1911 compact sitting in an evidence locker is distressing, but a Glock - not so much.

As for suppressors... unless the police witness your shootout, why tell them you used one? I'm sure that avoiding the federal paperwork on a "lost" NFA item alone is worth taking ten seconds to unscrew that can and place it out of sight.

17 posted on 06/16/2013 5:45:26 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SkyDancer

Pillow works well. Usually pretty close to where you are in repose.


18 posted on 06/16/2013 5:46:04 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: going hot

Ya well if the guy isn’t all that good, saying .....l.


19 posted on 06/16/2013 5:47:46 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Couple of thoughts here. The big bang certainly has a stunning effect on everyone, especially when it is not anticipated. Did you know that you cannot get car sick if you are driving? Why? because your body anticipates the movement. Same for the blast. Your body will anticipate it. Oh you will experience some stun, but nothing like the disorientation of those not expecting it. Throw in the fact that they are likely not familiar with your place and you have absolute chaos in their brains. If you can hold it together, you will no doubt be in charge.


20 posted on 06/16/2013 5:47:53 PM PDT by fuente (Liberty resides in three boxes: the ballot box, the jury box and the cartridge box--Fredrick Douglas)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kildak
Additionally, in the highly unlikely event that you will have to defend yourself with your weapon/suppressor; do you really want to risk losing your Class 3 items during the subsequent investigation and court proceedings?

Any idea what happens if you pop off the suppressor (and replace the thread protector) after a self-defense shoot and don't mention that the shots were suppressed? My guess is that you probably don't get caught. My guess is also that if you do get caught, it looks VERY bad.

21 posted on 06/16/2013 5:49:53 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: GenXteacher; All

Another, cheaper alternative is active electronic hearing protection. Good muffs that amplify sound and shut off in a micro second for very loud noises, such as gun shots.

I have used them a lot, and they are pretty effective.


22 posted on 06/16/2013 5:50:39 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

I wanna make some noise


23 posted on 06/16/2013 5:51:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SkyDancer

Well, it does screw up the pillow pretty bad, with feathers and stuff all over the place. Then one has to be sure they are holding the pillow with the off hand not in the path of the bullet, can get complicated real quick.


24 posted on 06/16/2013 5:52:09 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Tijeras_Slim

Exactly where I am at on this.


25 posted on 06/16/2013 6:00:13 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Let ‘er rip.

Boom boom boom.

Those that are still left alive will be too busy trying to find a way out to be a problem.

I am totally against any silencer. get loud or give the gun to a real man.


26 posted on 06/16/2013 6:07:18 PM PDT by gfbtbb (Ladies and Gentlemen, we are on our own.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pollster1

I think willfully withholding any information from LE absent the advice of legal counsel after a self-defense shooting has got the potential of going sideways very quickly. That being said, I’ve never heard of any ballistics testing which can be used to determine the use of a suppressor. Presumably, you could have a baffle strike which may leave trace evidence on the bullet, but that’s just my WAG.


27 posted on 06/16/2013 6:08:44 PM PDT by kildak
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: JRandomFreeper
Yes. I will take that moment and twist those little yellow fellows into my ears...

Can't hurt if they are there. Circumstances will dictate if they get used.

28 posted on 06/16/2013 6:17:54 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Six 12 ga. shells and a full choke make this question irrelevant


29 posted on 06/16/2013 6:27:02 PM PDT by bigbob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

I’ve already lost most of my hearing from magnum revolvers, so I’m not concerned with unleashing the thunder and lightening on a home invader. I’d prefer it. Keeps their faces down in the high pile shag after that first round lights up the room and shakes the pitchers’ off the wall. The muzzle blast from a 3” GP100, unleashing a full house .357 is ahem, impressive. Yes, I love a little buck and snort.


30 posted on 06/16/2013 6:30:53 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: going hot
Pillow works well. Usually pretty close to where you are in repose.

How do you aim through the pillow?

31 posted on 06/16/2013 6:32:30 PM PDT by Nachoman (Wisdom is learned, cynicism is earned.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: mountainlion

You mean sub-machine guns or assault weapons. I doubt the police were using belt-fed machine guns.


32 posted on 06/16/2013 6:36:28 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

It could be argued either way.

For example, there are countless stories on record of that loud “Bang!” setting housebreakers to flight.

Personally, I can see the wish to remain discreet, particularly with kids in the house; however, and speaking for myself, I’d prefer that loud, terrifying, and abrupt noise of firearms to put housebreakers on notice that there’s an armed defender in their path.

I think that, statistically, the tendency is to run like h*ll when a shot is fired.

Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.


33 posted on 06/16/2013 6:43:02 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

I also like to keep a muffler on my backhoe, so I can bury the crook after shooting him, and not wake the neighbors.


34 posted on 06/16/2013 6:43:28 PM PDT by pallis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nachoman

Out to about 20 feet or so, I can usually hit a paper plate with either hand, sitting, laying down, or standing, without using the sights. If I wanted precision and needed to aim down to a tennis ball size target, yeah, I would raise the sights up to my line of sight. Truthfully, I probably would just grab the firearm and send lead down the hall, the thought of hearing protection not being on the front burner during the encounter. But I was having fun with the pillow silencer, as it is handy, if you really have the time to consider one when you hear glass breaking or the creak in the hall way at dark thirty.


35 posted on 06/16/2013 6:47:53 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

silencers are the best overlooked idea around when it comes to self defense weapons and strategies.


36 posted on 06/16/2013 6:51:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Mufflers/silencers are a good idea if all you’re concerned with is protecting your hearing. However, there are other more important things than your hearing to consider when facing an armed man. It is of paramount importance that when you shoot an armed man, you want him to know immediately that he’s been shot, and without the noise he may not immediately realize this. Next to the bullet and shot placement in a gunfight, the biggest killer is shock, and without the noise associated with a gunshot, your opponent may not immediately realize he’s been shot, and without this understanding, he won’t go into shock, but instead he’ll empty his magazine in your direction.

This tidbit of knowledge was gained the hard way.


37 posted on 06/16/2013 7:11:09 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck

“They take what, 5 seconds to pop in or slip on?”

One one thousand.
Two one thousand.
Three one thousand.
Four one thousand.
Five one thousand.

That’s a long time with footsteps racing up the stairs after the window crashes in. Nice if your “earplugs” are already applied when you pick up the gun, and it’s one less thing to fiddle with when you’d rather be working on a sight picture.


38 posted on 06/16/2013 7:14:49 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Hold still while I screw in my suppressor.....


39 posted on 06/16/2013 7:15:55 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DJ Taylor

Interesting. Thanks.


40 posted on 06/16/2013 7:16:11 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: JRandomFreeper

Guess I’m a little different. The satisfaction of delivering 12 ga., 00 buck or flechettes indoors without earplugs to felonious invaders would leave me grinning—bleeding ears, wobbly walk and all. ;-D


41 posted on 06/16/2013 7:25:25 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: familyop; dead
I hate the smell of blood and powder. I've lost enough hearing. I chose to not be heroic. and I'll put in the earplugs and try to talk whoever out of whatever.

Dead just sucks.

Not you personally, dead.

/johnny

42 posted on 06/16/2013 7:28:42 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: PowderMonkey

I can stand 45 ACP outside, I don’t know about in a small room. I shot 1911s next to other sailors and marines, with no hearing protection. The weapon I was standing behind was nowhere near as loud as the ones on either side of me though. I noticed that with M14s too.

22 mag is real loud. 357 mag out of a three or four inch barrel is REAL loud. Hearing damage loud.


43 posted on 06/16/2013 7:51:54 PM PDT by CPO retired
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: JRandomFreeper

The smell of burning powder brings the unpleasant memory of seemingly endless rotations on ranges, doing all that we were told, when we were told. I try not to remember those times much. Serious talk of injury and death reminds me of bouncing and other civilian duties. I avoid remembering those, too. So back to morbid humor. ;-)

Ever hear any of the variations of the running cadence, to the melody of “Music, Music, Music” (”put another nickle in”), “Load another magazine, in my trusty M-16. All I ever wanna see, is bodies, bodies, bodies?”

Seriously, there’s an effective attitude for fighting/warfare and an attitude for everything else in our wonderful civilian world, IMO. One can learn to separate the two quite well. In a fight, a man’s mind should be as calm and serene as the surface of a still pond. But he should not move like pond water.

;-)


44 posted on 06/16/2013 8:04:01 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

“This guy thought he was ‘James Bond’, with a license to kill!”
Ambitious deputy prosecutor


45 posted on 06/16/2013 8:42:55 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

not a good idea.

Pump shotgun for home defense, with shorter barrel.

The sound of a pump racking one into the chamber has caused many a crook to flee. Even if they have a handgun, shotty beats handgun in close quarters.

Outside, is a different story.


46 posted on 06/16/2013 8:51:22 PM PDT by BereanBrain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CPO retired
my newest carry weapon/SD gun is a 3" 688 plus .357 mag. It's loud enough to do hearing damage but I figure the chances of needing to worry about that are, honestly, pretty slim. Since a silencer isn't even an option, I may invest in some of those ear muffs that detect the shot and block it before it reaches your ears for home defense though.

You don't need a permit for a pair of these and they actually increase your hearing while simultaneously blocking gunshots-nothing wrong with that.

47 posted on 06/16/2013 8:54:25 PM PDT by RC one
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Pollster1; mountainlion

Here the cops use frangible rounds in the ar15s. That’s what one of them told me when we were talking at the local gun shop. I was asking him about DRT. He said it was good and that the Hornady Zombie Max was essentially the same as what they used to lessen over penetration.

FWIW.


48 posted on 06/16/2013 9:31:47 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: SVTCobra03
You mean sub-machine guns or assault weapons. I doubt the police were using belt-fed machine guns.

I guess it depends on your frame of mind, surroundings slang and the dictionary you are using. A M4 is a machined gun as is a MP3. I am not so narrow minded to have to have exact precise “Hoyle” definition of everything as I come in contact with many groups and dialect. Some people are just hard to talk to.

49 posted on 06/17/2013 5:50:56 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: RC one; CPO retired

Hearing loss is cumulative. A single home defense shooting is not going to damage your hearing. Continuous (unprotected) exposure, to the roar of a common garden variety chain saw or lawn mower, will do more damage.


50 posted on 06/17/2013 6:52:15 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-53 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson