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The Court Overseeing NSA Spying Has Already Found It Violated The Constitution
Business Insider ^ | 6-10-13 | Michael Kelly

Posted on 06/16/2013 5:32:55 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion

It's becoming increasingly difficult to give the government the benefit of the doubt in regards to dragnet domestic surveillance.

Even before Glenn Greenwald published a top secret court order compelling Verizon to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems and interviewed NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, there were credible reports that the NSA was intercepting U.S. communications.

The most significant of those occurred in July, when the court that was established to "hear applications for and grant orders approving electronic surveillance," called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), found that the NSA violated the Fourth Amendment's restriction against unreasonable searches and seizures "on at least one occasion."

Here's the letter from Senator Ron Wyden:

"… on at least one occasion the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court held that some collection carried out pursuant to section 702 minimization procedures used by the government was unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment."

We don't know the details of the classified order, but it's clear that it's a very important aspect of the domestic spying apparatus that even the court overseeing the program found it straying into illegal territory.

Here's the relevant text of the amendment:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

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KEYWORDS: 4thamendment; benghazi; corruption; criminal; domesticterrorism; fastandfurious; fisacourt; governmentcrime; govtabuse; illegal; impeachnow; intimidation; irs; nsa; nsascandals; nsatyranny; obamaspeople; terrorism; threatmatrix; tyranny
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1 posted on 06/16/2013 5:32:55 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Who at the NSA will be charged with a crime?
Who at the NSA will go to jail?


2 posted on 06/16/2013 5:33:37 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: MestaMachine; thouworm; penelopesire; maggief; Nachum; SeekAndFind; null and void; SE Mom; Liz

So. Do they already know they’ve acted against the fourth amendment and are trying to cya ? What is the penalty for not supporting the constitution? The penalty for becoming a domestic enemy ?

Pray for America !


3 posted on 06/16/2013 5:41:30 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

When did the constitution become relevant again? Obama has already said it’s a flawed document containing only negative liberties.


4 posted on 06/16/2013 5:43:35 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

There are a lot of us out here who really applaud and appreciate NSA and indeed all the fine govt workers who are trying to protect us. We just get very worried when we read about the govt listening to our domestic phone calls or email or otherwise compiling dossiers on us all. We are American citizens and we are presumed innocent of any crimes, especially when there’s not even been any charges brought.
We thought these various offices were to protect us against foreign enemies, and if our open borders has left a lot of the muslim terrorists into our country, the thing to do is to send them back to their home countries.

Just saying


5 posted on 06/16/2013 5:44:20 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Relax, have a mouth swab.

++ Good. Eh comrade?

6 posted on 06/16/2013 5:47:09 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

One? Out of how many cases???


7 posted on 06/16/2013 5:48:53 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I think everyone would agree that the NSA does this kind of data capture and analysis against our enemies all the time. It’s their job.

The only question then is, are they doing the same thing to US citizens, in some form?

I support the mission of NSA, but to my mind, there is very little doubt that the answer is “yes”. When an agency operates largely “black”, it’s hard to prove anything, but we shall see....


8 posted on 06/16/2013 6:24:06 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
be sure to wear your seat belt or be arrested.

But violate the living breathing document, or forge a birth certificate to obtain the highest office in the land as an enemy trojan horse and you will get off free free free wee hee

9 posted on 06/16/2013 6:24:59 PM PDT by KTM rider ( Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I still want to see a list of the terror plots that they have prevented. WITH NAMES AND COUNTRY of origin. Case closed.


10 posted on 06/16/2013 6:29:31 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Q: The worst president in US history?)
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To: tet68

“One? Out of how many cases???”

How many violations of the Constitution by a secret government agency are acceptable to you?


11 posted on 06/16/2013 6:40:33 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

the patriot act is more important than the Constitution


12 posted on 06/16/2013 6:40:57 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: faithhopecharity

“We are American citizens and we are presumed innocent of any crimes, especially when there’s not even been any charges brought.”

That indeed used to be true.


13 posted on 06/16/2013 6:41:09 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

i suggest we nuke it from orbit, just to be sure.

no, i am not kidding. not freaking kidding. preferably when they are all in the big black building.


14 posted on 06/16/2013 6:46:33 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Dallas59

personally i don’t care. this can’t be allowed to continue, and it cannot go unpunished.


15 posted on 06/16/2013 6:47:26 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“i suggest we nuke it from orbit, just to be sure.”

you gonna end up in a FEMA camp boy!

And you gonna have lots of company.


16 posted on 06/16/2013 6:50:30 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

The guy with the mop.


17 posted on 06/16/2013 6:59:40 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Dallas59

Dallas59 ~:” I still want to see a list of the terror plots that they have prevented. WITH NAMES AND COUNTRY of origin. Case closed.”

Exactly !!
This is an organization which is supposed to be supervized by the Senate Foreign Intelligence Committee .
Since Diane Fienstein ,committee chair of that committee , doesn’t foster any warm feelings of security to my mind ,
I believe NSA is basicly unsupervised and has no meaningful oversight .
Obviously , they can , and have , ‘fluffed’ the committee in the past , and continue to do so now .
Obviously , the organization has by its own authorization , and by its own public admission , strayed from its intended purpose .
Instead of useful foreign intelligence regarding terrrorism , it has redirected its’ own
information gathering meta-data resources to American citizens on American soil.
McConnell’s suggestion that if ‘we have done nothing wrong that we then have nothing to worry about’ is beyond absurd !!
McCain must be sharing his meds with McConnell. They are both the ‘useful idiots’ that Lenin spoke of so highly .
It means that our own government believes that we are the potential terrorists either now , or in the future.

#1) That means that when we have ‘known terrorists’ who can be identified through profiling of extreme beliefs,and
#2) who already acknowledge a history of commiting atrocious acts by are ignored , by fiat of our government
#3) and that resource is then re-directed towards the general American citizenry
#4) that this secret organization maintains a list of American contacts on its citizen population,
#5) then the government clearly believes that we are the potential terrorists .. What !! (say that again, out loud !!)

And it is our own government, the current administration, that continues to thrive on this data , obtained in violation of Constitutional standards
and encourages this continued information gathering and preparations of lists of associates.

Provide a list of the terror plots that they have prevented. WITH NAMES AND COUNTRY of origin. Case closed.”!!
No list ,.. no continued funding !

“Those that would sacrifice liberty for security will
in the end have neither, nor deserve neither.” ~ Ben Franklin


18 posted on 06/16/2013 7:21:32 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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sfl


19 posted on 06/16/2013 7:37:09 PM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

SNOWDEN, PRISM, AND THE NSA


27 STATEMENTS BY EDWARD SNOWDEN ABOUT PRISM

Former Director of NSA Intelligence reveals the full extent of PRISM capabilities. MUST SEE!

Another William Benny interview about PRISM and the NSA
20 posted on 06/16/2013 7:53:32 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

(#5 then the government clearly believes we are the potential terrorists.)

Yes, DHS already put that into print in 2009 at the bottom of p. 2 in a booklet(U//FOUO)(which means Unclassified, For Official Use Only) Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment. “Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”

That was in 2009. Since 2012, they can add opposition to gay marriage, gay soldiers, gay athletes, etc. gun control, border control, criticizing Islam, a strict Constitution, voter ID, spying on citizens, Arab Spring, Muslim Brotherhood, and anything else this administration approves of. Ethics and morality have been turned upside down. If violence ensues at the Million Muslim March on 9/11/2013, Marxist-Muslim Obama may declare martial law. A Dallas CAIR director, Mustafa Carroll, said, “If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land.” That means practicing Islam is treason. Islam is not just a religion, it is a government, as seen in Iran, where Valerie Jarrett was born.


21 posted on 06/16/2013 10:05:29 PM PDT by charlie72
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To: hoosiermama

Of course they know it. Yhey knew it before they did it. It didn’t stop them then and it won’t stop them now.


22 posted on 06/17/2013 1:34:15 AM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: LucyT; thouworm; maggief; Myrddin; shibumi; Hardraade; Candor7; Absolutely Nobama; caww; ...
Been there. Done that.


23 posted on 06/17/2013 1:41:54 AM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Zero, That’s why I find it questionable that only
one was turned down. There should have been a lot
more considering the number of requests. Which
I imagine were in the thousands, something very
wrong about that.


24 posted on 06/17/2013 3:00:08 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Of COURSE they violated the constitution.

Their argument is the equivalent of them coming to your home and searching the entire place, photocopying every document and photographing every room as well as copying the data off your hard drive and then saying, “we promise not to actually look at anything we’ve come away with unless you are involved in a criminal investigation. Then we will get a search warrant from a judge to search through all the stuff we collected.”

That is how I have seen this from day one and why I consider it so insidious. And the claims that it is effective fall on deaf ears. Random house to house searches would be effective as well. It’s still unconstitutional.

They think we are idiots and, based on the type of people we elect, they are probably right, generally speaking.


25 posted on 06/17/2013 5:33:19 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Will no one rid us of this troublesome pest?


26 posted on 06/17/2013 6:49:27 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: charlie72

Dallas CAIR director, Mustafa Carroll, said, “If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land.”
That means practicing Islam is treason to the Law of the Land and the U.S. Constitution .

Islam is not just a religion, it is a government ( theocracy), as seen in Iran, and other Near East countries where religion becomes the government .
Establishment of a ‘State religion’ is expressly forbidden by the Constitution , and that is why Islamicists ignore the Constitution , especially the Islamicist who currently heads the Executive office.


27 posted on 06/17/2013 7:38:36 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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