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What Is a Mother to Do? Questions for Same-Sex Marriage Advocates
The Public Discourse ^ | June 17th, 2013 | Deborah Savage

Posted on 06/16/2013 7:09:34 PM PDT by rhema

To demand that we recognize same-sex romantic relationships as marriages, and teach our children so, is to prevent them from discovering reality.

The speed at which marriage was redefined last month in the state of Minnesota has left me with a sense of vertigo. My head is still spinning. And though the war wages on, one thing seems clear: Those of us for whom same-sex marriage has been, until now, almost impossible to contemplate, have some things to figure out. Of those, the most urgent is the question of what we are to tell our children.

I am the mother of a ten-year-old girl, a beautiful child, more precious to me than anything you can imagine. When, on June 1, same-sex marriage became legal in the state of Minnesota, I needed to know what to tell her. How is this supposed to work—actually—in the concrete world of a ten-year-old child and her mother? Her father is wondering too, of course, but he is rather speechless at the moment. And the way it works in our house, though he is really good at protecting her from possible physical threats, it usually falls to me to protect her from the more psychological threats she encounters occasionally in her young life. But this is a new one. So I need some advice.

In the interests of full disclosure, I should state that, as a philosopher, I have gotten fairly skilled at treating the philosophical errors of our age in the classroom setting. But a ten-year-old is at a bit of a disadvantage when it comes to the arguments I have developed against relativism, nominalism, dualism, materialism, and so on. And then of course, parenting comes with its own specific challenges. So I am hoping those who advocate same-sex marriage have given some thought to

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; ssm

1 posted on 06/16/2013 7:09:35 PM PDT by rhema
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To: rhema

It’s sin, therefore it’s wrong. So is shacking up. Kids WANT their parents to teach them right from wrong.


2 posted on 06/16/2013 7:15:29 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: rhema

If you’re a believer, tell them what God Almighty says about it. If you’re not, make up whatever floats your boat. One lie is just as good as another.


3 posted on 06/16/2013 7:22:24 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: rhema

The final paragraph in the article:

For when you ask my daughter to accept that a man may marry another man, that a woman may marry another woman, you are asking her to suspend her capacity to judge the world around her and judge it truly. You are requiring her to declare that 2 + 2 = 5 as an act of victory over her natural inclination toward the true and the good. You are trying to trap her in a world where nothing is as it seems.


4 posted on 06/16/2013 7:25:14 PM PDT by rwa265
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To: rhema

Tell them the gummint is wrong that two guys and two girls anad a girl and a chicken and a guy and a goldfish cannot be married.., it takes one human with a wienie and one human without a wienie to be married


5 posted on 06/16/2013 7:29:40 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: rhema
Just tell her this is a fine example of what happens when people think they are smarter than the world around them, so smart they can change nature with a mere decree.

It is also an object lesson in that just because something is legal, it isn't necessarily right.

Fine spot to segue into how The Almighty makes the rules, and human attempts to rewrite them are not only folly, but have a tendency to end very badly for those who think themselves smarter than their Creator.

6 posted on 06/16/2013 7:30:11 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: rhema

oh AND you marry for life, not serial monogamy


7 posted on 06/16/2013 7:30:48 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: rhema
Too nuanced I'm afraid for the SSM crowd.

Plus, she leaves no room for the fact that (reality not withstanding), peoples feelings are hurt when they don't get what they want...

8 posted on 06/16/2013 7:39:37 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: avenir
You don't believe in pulling punches, eh dude?

You're totally right, though.

9 posted on 06/16/2013 7:39:51 PM PDT by stormhill (Guns Save Lives!)
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To: rhema

Marriage is the legal device we use to protect a biological relationship that predates language. Humans happen to be a species whose biology pushes us towards mating for life.

Changing legal terminology so that any two people can be called “married”, regardless of whether they have a biologically determined relationship does not change our biology.

Marriage is, and will always be, the bond between a mated pair of humans. Mates can only be one male and one female.


10 posted on 06/16/2013 7:41:19 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

the reason men marry women is to be connected to their children


11 posted on 06/16/2013 7:46:16 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: rhema

since when would you ever discuss this topic with a ten year old???


12 posted on 06/16/2013 7:47:39 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: exDemMom

Agree. My question is: which word are you going to redefine next? Which word, which has meant the same for centuries, will fall by the wayside next? (ok, so two questions)


13 posted on 06/16/2013 7:53:00 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
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To: rhema

The ones pushing the hardest to install the agenda of the Father of Lies are the ones who scoff the fiercest at his very existence. This judge who declared by fiat that girls of any age must have access to the “Plan B” contraceptive pill is a prime example. They will all get the chance to meet him in person, later, including all these the godless advocates busy redefining God’s creation.


14 posted on 06/16/2013 8:03:07 PM PDT by Combat_Liberalism
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To: Nifster
since when would you ever discuss this topic with a ten year old???

You would need to discuss it if in the course of visiting one of our numerous lake park playgrounds here in Mn, you are faced with the question: "daddy, why does that boy call both of those men, 'dad'"?

15 posted on 06/16/2013 8:03:17 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: exDemMom
Marriage is the legal device we use to protect a biological relationship that predates language. Humans happen to be a species whose biology pushes us towards mating for life.

Changing legal terminology so that any two people can be called “married”, regardless of whether they have a biologically determined relationship does not change our biology.

Marriage is, and will always be, the bond between a mated pair of humans. Mates can only be one male and one female.

16 posted on 06/16/2013 8:03:47 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Idiocracy is a documentary.)
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To: originalbuckeye

Well, it seems to me that the definition of “parent” is being attacked, as well. Didn’t some judge recently declare that a child’s parents were two women, or some other biologically ludicrous thing like that?


17 posted on 06/16/2013 8:11:56 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: yldstrk

I’m laughing so hard that I’m actually coughing uncontrollably.

(Of course,the cigarettes I smoked earlier might have something to do with it.)


18 posted on 06/16/2013 8:39:38 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

:)


19 posted on 06/16/2013 8:47:42 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: exDemMom

Yes. I believe parents are now listed as Parent 1 and Parent 2. The same with the new marriage licenses......spouse 1 and spouse 2. Really detrimental to our culture. What am I saying.....WHAT CULTURE?


20 posted on 06/16/2013 9:12:47 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
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To: Nifster
"since when would you ever discuss this topic with a ten year old???

THAT was MY first thought also, but then I remembered what the schools are doing to kids....they are getting unloaded on with this kind of bull daily, and parents do have to be prepared.

21 posted on 06/16/2013 9:31:15 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: rhema

An interesting article. She brings up many questions. You know what the Left’s answer is?

Shut up, homophobe!


22 posted on 06/17/2013 4:52:15 AM PDT by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: jonno

age appropriate responses are always best....the most obvious answer to the questioned asked is “I don;t know.” This is a truthful answer....for you do not KNOW why....for all you know the two men could be ‘dad’ if one was the father and the other married to the mother. Divorce is more prevalent than homosexuality.

Now is it likely that this is the explanation??? Who knows? More importantly I find that in dealing with questions from children it is best to be accurate (state knowledge not guesses), succinct, and sometimes redirecting. In the big scope of the child’s life, this question does not require an explanation of homosexuality or anything else. It requires a parent to be diplomatic when suggesting to the child that it is none of their business why the boy over there calls those two men dad....Minding one’s own business is a good habit to form early


23 posted on 06/17/2013 9:17:32 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: goodnesswins

just another reason to home school or have a very very conservative religious school available


24 posted on 06/17/2013 9:18:42 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Jeff Chandler
Marriage is, and will always be, the bond between a mated pair of humans. Mates can only be one male and one female.

Well said. Not all married couples mate with each other, but legally-recognized marriage is an institution which evolved around hetrosexual mating behavior and continues to have heterosexual mating behavior at its core. Changing the legal constructs around marriage does not change its core nature.

25 posted on 06/17/2013 4:31:01 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: supercat

Actually, I was reposting a post by exDemMom.


26 posted on 06/17/2013 4:57:46 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Idiocracy is a documentary.)
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To: Nifster

I’d talk to them about it directly and honestly.


27 posted on 06/17/2013 9:24:44 PM PDT by mom of young patriots
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To: rhema

Placemark.


28 posted on 06/17/2013 10:55:10 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: mom of young patriots

hopefully in an age appropriate manner.......ten year olds unless hyper sexualized by exposure are not interested in sex


29 posted on 06/18/2013 5:50:58 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: little jeremiah

ANother placemark.


30 posted on 06/19/2013 9:17:04 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Nifster

Telling a child to mind his own business when asking why a boy has two “fathers” is a very bad idea. The child will still wonder, it adds a strange odor to an already stinking situation. The kid will imagine all kinds of things and no doubt will hear stuff from other kids.

Children should be warned about homosexuality (age appropriate of course) only because “gay is good” is shoved in their little faces at a young age.


31 posted on 06/19/2013 9:19:46 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

I didn’t suggest telling the child to mind their own business ...what
i said was that the answer should be ‘i don’t know why.’ That is the correct answer in any case because he does not specifically know.


32 posted on 06/20/2013 7:55:13 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: rhema

You tell them “Just because you CAN do it doesn’t mean you SHOULD do it”.

The beauty of the whole same sex marriage thing is that it is a rarity. Right now, it is a novelty but they wear off over time. Within a year, the numbers begin to plummet and soon the majority of same sex marriages won’t be between homosexuals. It will be people trying to game the system. Same-sex marriage comes with same-sex divorce and that is an UGLY thing to behold.


33 posted on 06/20/2013 8:03:33 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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