Posted on 06/16/2013 7:51:47 PM PDT by EveningStar
Article: Cheney defends NSA programs, says Snowden a 'traitor,' Obama 'lacks credibility'
“....Then we’re essentially a “free for all” nation. It’s all up for grabs for anyone who wants to venture over our border and take advantage of our system....”
Rings true again...
On Drudge...
“The U.S. Supreme Court threw out an Arizona law that required evidence of citizenship when people register to vote, in a victory for minority-rights advocates and the Obama administration”..
So lets just let all those visitng our nation come to the polls..might just as well let the world vote in our elections.
Maybe Cheney is afraid they would see the photos where the real reason for his heart trouble is evident.
I still have a copy somewhere.
Shakes head. I hear ya...
Just unbelievable.
I don’t watch Fox News but my mother, in early stage of dementia, does. Now I know why she is so negative on Snowden’s reveal. She takes everything she watches on fox as gospel.
Can hardly believe people are complaining about being spied on....my gosh it’s been going on for ever.....they’re just getting better at doing so...
Either the constitution is real or it is a joke. I believe in the constitution because it is based on inherent, Gd-given rights of a people to SELF GOVERN. We must have recourse against unwarranted intrusion / spying on us. The statist way n ow is that we do not have any recourse.
It’s like we are being raped, and you tell me, shut up and take it; people have been raped for centuries!
Even the Founders knew we might have to refresh the roots on the tree of liberty with patriot blood every so often. Maybe 300 years is when freedom needs redoing.
You want them to honor what it says...do you really think they care how we see it? Our Constitution is up for bid and used like a coin toss....that's the reality...it's no long OURS... it's their bartering tool.
“The Boston bombing...
All this spying on people, and it doesn’t even work.”
Perfection is now the standard? Interesting.
And I still am waiting for an answer to the simple question...What do people want to do?
Always a good idea to keep an eye on what the boys and girls in DC are up too, but as of right now I don’t have any huge major problems with this program.
Libertarians/Civil Liberty type need to answer this question...as soon as they get done ranting and raving.
Valin, if there’s an ongoing investigation and it’s time critical, I’m all for opening up lines and listening all they want. I’m even okay with after the fact documentation supplied to a court to obtain a post action validation for the intrusion.
I am not willing to allow the government to listen to 316 million of us on a routine basis.
That kind of comprehensive data access can lead to abuses you and I haven’t even thought of.
We already suspect people are being blackmailed. Imagine the Clinton crew or the Obama crew with 100% access to any of the information the NSA has accumulated.
Man, no way...
Hillary would be on that like flies on cr_p.
It’s called the Fourth Amendment.
Guess you either never heard of it or don’t give a damn.
caww is what you call a “willful slave.”
The “willful slave” can sometimes be identified by its rallying cry: “If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.”
>>If we allow hysterical fear of terrorism to destroy our Bill Of Rights, we have already lost the War on Terror, because America isn’t America any more.<<
Well said, my friend!!!
Of course...now show ‘how you’re’ going to get this administration to honor the Constitution.
They are not considering it ...you can squawk all you want but you’re squawking to a closed door when it comes to this Gov. abiding by the Constitution....they ignore you and it.
You must be young because most people have know for years the Gov. has been in everything.....and gathering data....this is not new...the issue for the younger generation is they are finding out their tech world isn’t their’s after all...so we re hearing the squawking.
Further most know the Global Agenda by now and their purposes in linking the world under one Governing Body.
Do you think that Governing Body isn’t going to control things?...and how do you think they will do that?
They will know who you are, where you live, what you buy and if or not you’re co-operating with their agenda....just as they do now.
“I am not willing to allow the government to listen to 316 million of us on a routine basis.”
Except they are not.
What are they doing?
Collecting phone numbers.
Inside The NSA Americas Cyber Secrets
http://youtu.be/jflZaUNmxyk
Forward to 22 minute mark
IMO, you don’t need the facilities the NSA has unless you are.
If you’re only keeping numbers, that takes very little storage space.
so what do you want to do?
I’m not against monitoring on an as needed basis.
If a person attends meetings known to be very problematic as it relates to terrorism, step up the surveillance. Get a court order and snag anything you can get.
I would make the bar higher than being a member of the Tea Party. I don’t know of one instance where a Tea Party groups has carried out any violence or made any threats. Tea Party leaders do criticize government officials, but they advocate for legal remedies. Other groups don’t. Those are the types of groups whose members and affiliates should be under scrutiny.
If a real active terror threat is under way, I also support the snagging of any real-time info prior to a court order, with the provision that supporting documentation must be filed with the appropriate oversight court within 24 hours to back it up.
These measures should give us all the protection we can expect to have.
It doesn’t require us to snag information on every person on U. S. soil to do it.
“If a person attends meetings known to be very problematic as it relates to terrorism, step up the surveillance. Get a court order and snag anything you can get.”
Basically this is what they do. Connect the dots with the metadata, if something suspicious pops up they to the FISA court.
BTW yours is the 1st reply to my simple question that is reasonable. Normally I get A. a rant about Barack Obama (well deserved I might add), B. a rant about the evils of Big Government... with George Orwell quotes liberally used, C. We’re becoming a fascist state, all is lost...all is lost...all is lost, D. Disband the NSA.
I just think those that have major problems with this program, they should have a realistic plan of what to do.
So you get an attaboy.....ATTABOY.
I’ll take the attaboy, but I’m not in support of developed metadata, until there is a valid need.
I am comfortable with jumping the gun to obtain information if a threat is imminent, but I want paperwork filed after the fact to justify it.
I am not in favor of developing information prior to need, because that would justify data collection on everyone. I can’t support that. It leads to too much potential for abuse IMO.
In a slow burn terrorist threat, I support getting the warrant and developing information over time. No problem there. As a general rule, no recording unless a slow burn threat, or an imminent threat.
I support rants on A, B, & C, but I do not support disbanding the NSA. I do support keeping it in check. There must be a way to do it, that doesn’t destroy it’s ability to do a bona fide job, but does protect citizens from intrusive adventurism.
We turn the NSA loose on everyone, and everyone is subject to blackmail. I don’t think that’s healthy.
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