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Immigration bill could decide 2016, senator says
AP ^ | 06/17/2016 | By PHILIP ELLIOTT

Posted on 06/17/2013 4:19:24 AM PDT by Carbonsteel

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republicans' hopes to reclaim the White House in the 2016 elections hinge on whether they support — or sabotage — the immigration overhaul being debated in the Senate, two lawmakers who helped write the proposal warn.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., on Sunday told conservatives who are trying to block the measure that they will doom the party and all but guarantee a Democrat will remain in the White House after 2016's election. Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., went a step further and predicted "there'll never be a road to the White House for the Republican Party" if immigration overhaul fails to pass.

"I would tell my Republican colleagues, both in the House and the Senate, that the road to the White House comes through a road with a pathway to legalization," Menendez said. "Without it, there'll never be a road to the White House for the Republican Party."

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KEYWORDS: 2016election; aliens; amnesty; gop; grahamlies; lindseygraham; menendez
I keep saying that Republicans are spineless and dumb as a post these days.

They honestly expect us to believe that Hispanics will support Republicans if we pass this travesty?

Do they really believe that the future of the GOP hinges on moving the party further to the left to attract progressive voters will help put Republicans back in power?

Dumb as a post!!!!!

1 posted on 06/17/2013 4:19:24 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: Carbonsteel

They don’t even want to talk about securing the border.


2 posted on 06/17/2013 4:21:07 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Carbonsteel

It’s so good of my senator to advise the Republicans on how to re-capture the presidency in 2016.


3 posted on 06/17/2013 4:22:49 AM PDT by Salvey
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To: Carbonsteel

If Republicans pass the immigration bill they may get a few Hispanic votes, but how many Conservative votes will they lose? Besides mine.

I am fed up with the Republican Party.


4 posted on 06/17/2013 4:23:21 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Carbonsteel
"Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., went a step further and predicted "there'll never be a road to the White House for the Republican Party" if immigration overhaul fails to pass. "

And Graham buys this -- because Democrats always look out for the best interests of the Republican Party? Pardon me, but there must be something in the DC water supply that turns Republican politicians into idiots.

5 posted on 06/17/2013 4:25:14 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Carbonsteel
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Lindsey, McCain and the other Schumer Republicans. I'm really surprised that the commie 'RAT, Menendez, is so concerned that a Republican may never be elected again to the White Outhouse if they don't flood America with Mexicans. That's weird.

6 posted on 06/17/2013 4:26:11 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (23,116,441 households on Food Stamps! Now that's what I call HISTORICAL!!!)
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To: Carbonsteel

The RINOS are in full pressure mode now. We have to keep up the pressure in the House.


7 posted on 06/17/2013 4:27:08 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Carbonsteel

Lindsey is a democrat and his “advice” should be given the same consideration as if it came from Nancy Pelosi.


8 posted on 06/17/2013 4:27:31 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Carbonsteel

The GOP-e “fears the rebirth” of the TP movement.


9 posted on 06/17/2013 4:29:00 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Carbonsteel

And we all know the Puerto Rican crook, Menendez, wants to help the GOP win the White House. Honestly, S.C. voters....does that dumb-as-a-rock Lindsey Graham really represent you?


10 posted on 06/17/2013 4:29:01 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Carbonsteel

He hasn’t looked at the numbers. Obama’s vote fell by 3.5 million from ‘08 to ‘12 , despite already providing the biggest give away in the grab bag ( Obamacare). (Romney, absolutely clueless, looks at exit polls and decides that Obamacare was more popular than he had thought— when it drove people away from voting by the millions??)The percentage of the voting age population casting ballots skidded from close to 60 to close to 50. The GOP needs to campaign on ideas and principles, not demographics.


11 posted on 06/17/2013 4:31:06 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Carbonsteel

STFU Graham.. 2016 is already decided.


12 posted on 06/17/2013 4:31:39 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: Carbonsteel

>>Republicans’ hopes to reclaim the White House in the 2016 elections hinge on whether they support — or sabotage — the immigration overhaul being debated in the Senate, two lawmakers who helped write the proposal warn.<<

A more untrue statement has not been uttered in the history of mankind. If you look at the numbers, Hispanic voting for Republicans went DOWN after Reagan signed amnesty.

Hispanics will NOT vote for Republicans unless and until they become the party of Santa Claus (which would remove the last tiny differentiator from the dims).

Amnesty is amnesty. Hispanics will NOT even bother to follow the steps towards citizenship. But they will vote anyway when they think they won’t be deported for it.


13 posted on 06/17/2013 4:32:04 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (To attempt to have intercourse with a hornet's nest is a very bad idea)
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To: Carbonsteel
He's not dumb. He's lying about his intentions.

It's all about the $$$ in cheap labor for the GOP-e chamber of commerce types. Union busting and all that, frankly, and they don't GAF about anything else.

14 posted on 06/17/2013 4:34:28 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: Carbonsteel

These dumb-ass pubbies and their immigration bill is nauseating. Imagine Sen. Menendez advising the pubs on the path to the WH and the pubbie lemmings following that advice. This will kill the GOP, it is time for a third party!!


15 posted on 06/17/2013 4:36:17 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: Carbonsteel

“I would tell my Republican colleagues, both in the House and the Senate, that the road to the White House comes through a road with a pathway to legalization,” Menendez said. “Without it, there’ll never be a road to the White House for the Republican Party.”
This from the under age hooker king. I can’t say Graham is this stupid so I have to say he is evil.


16 posted on 06/17/2013 4:36:42 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Carbonsteel

Even if hispanics were to vote Republican,this whole thing shows us how they are willing to screw the country(us) to maintain/enhance their own power and positions.


17 posted on 06/17/2013 4:36:43 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Carbonsteel
The Talking Points are out: Republlicans wil CAVE to Pass the Immigration reform, and the handout-parasite votes of Blacks AND the new Illegal Voters will in NO WAY vote for a Republican, anyway.....and Republicans are Democrats in all but the (R) in front of their name. Buying votes with taxpayer money to keep themselves employed is the goal of ALL politicians, (D) and (R).

There is NO WAY Taxpayers will not CONTINUE to fund vote-buying schemes, and expansion of the Government. The U.S. Constitution means NOTHING anymore.

18 posted on 06/17/2013 4:39:44 AM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: Carbonsteel
It'll decide 2016, alright.

What is Lindsey guy smoking?

He and McCain. Are they working for Hillary? Can they really be this deliberately ignorant?

19 posted on 06/17/2013 4:40:11 AM PDT by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: Carbonsteel

He is not dumb .
He thinks we are .

Grahnesty is crook owned by K street .
They want cheap uneducated labor for these huge Ag corps and grocery store chains !
This gay boy hangs out at Hess coro headquarters in NY .

He as well as the rest are owned by Wall Street billionaires.


20 posted on 06/17/2013 4:40:38 AM PDT by ncalburt (Amnesty media out in full force)
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To: Carbonsteel

Chuck Schumer is evil and Bob Menendez is a child molester. Not sure why anyone would want to be associated with those two pieces of human garbage.


21 posted on 06/17/2013 4:43:05 AM PDT by mindburglar (It must be noon, because I'm drunk somewhere.)
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To: Carbonsteel

The GOP establishment really think pandering racial politics is what get them the vote


22 posted on 06/17/2013 4:44:45 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Carbonsteel

“Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., on Sunday told conservatives who are trying to block the measure that they will doom the party and all but guarantee a Democrat will remain in the White House after 2016’s election. “

Way to go Lindsey, give the national pressholes a sound bite to beat you and the Republicans over the head with in perpetuity.

The Stupid Party strikes again.


23 posted on 06/17/2013 4:44:57 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: OKSooner

Exactly

The HEB grocery store billionaire is very involved as well as at Adelson who used Newt to split the Conservative base and elect Idiot Romney !

Call Grahnesty office today


24 posted on 06/17/2013 4:45:01 AM PDT by ncalburt (Amnesty media out in full force)
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To: Carbonsteel

What happened to doing what was best and what was right for our country? Elections? Shouldn’t they be an afterthought?


25 posted on 06/17/2013 4:46:26 AM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: Venturer

We don’t need them. They need us. They need to be taught this lesson.
Having Menendez agreeing with Graham should tell every conservative, everyone who votes our way, that the party is leading us down a primrose path.

Hey i propose right now and maybe put up a vanity-I will vote for nobody nominated by the 2 big parties. If someone steals a nomination from a party backed candidate i will consider them but if we give ourselves idiots like Christine O’Donnell i’m passing on her too.
Victory, henceforth, will only be achieved by winning with a candidate we can back. (i’m no 100%er btw).


26 posted on 06/17/2013 4:47:00 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: OKSooner
It's all about the $$$ in cheap labor for the GOP-e chamber of commerce types.

This is the only thing that makes some sense. But the GOPe crowd doesn't realize that a permanent redistributive majority is going to seize any profits they make from the cheap labor anyway. And they will lose the most of their rights to an even more oppressive federal bureaucratic monster. And the GOP itself will implode when the conservative base walks.

27 posted on 06/17/2013 4:47:22 AM PDT by RugerMini14
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
They don’t even want to talk about securing the border.

A global Caliphate cannot happen without the destruction of the US economy, so as to knock us down to the level of all the other socialist countries.

Of course the border must be left open to obtain their objective.

28 posted on 06/17/2013 4:48:07 AM PDT by airborne (MY HEROES DON'T WEAR CAPES. MY HEROES WEAR DOG TAGS ! ! !)
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To: Carbonsteel
Do they really believe that the future of the GOP hinges on moving the party further to the left to attract progressive voters will help put Republicans back in power? Dumb as a post!!!!!

Not dumb. Not dumb at all.

Just further proof of the globalist / Saudi / left takeover of the Republican party.

29 posted on 06/17/2013 4:48:32 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: ncalburt

I could speculate Jug Ears will executive order or somehow repeal or nullify the 22nd Amendment and use the 20 million to who knows how many to remain in office. They don’t care about nothin’ except the freebies and stick it to yt.


30 posted on 06/17/2013 4:52:43 AM PDT by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones)
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To: Carbonsteel; Tennessee Nana; Liz; TADSLOS; EXCH54FE; GeronL; Travis McGee; stephenjohnbanker; ...
RE :”Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., on Sunday told conservatives who are trying to block the measure that they will doom the party and all but guarantee a Democrat will remain in the White House after 2016’s election. Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., went a step further and predicted “there’ll never be a road to the White House for the Republican Party” if immigration overhaul fails to pass. “I would tell my Republican colleagues, both in the House and the Senate, that the road to the White House comes through a road with a pathway to legalization,” Menendez said. “Without it, there’ll never be a road to the White House for the Republican Party.”

Grahamnesty is such a disingenuously dishonest weasel he is not even worth debating. He is doing everything he can do to help Obama while making believe he is critical of him.
Thanks for the advice Menendez, I am sure you have the best interests of the GOP at heart.


31 posted on 06/17/2013 4:53:38 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Venturer

Ditto.


32 posted on 06/17/2013 5:08:06 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Carbonsteel

Since when does the Reppublican party need the advice of a mendacious Democrat to win an election? Who thinks a Dem would give a Pub good advice?


33 posted on 06/17/2013 5:09:17 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Carbonsteel

>> Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., went a step further and predicted “there’ll never be a road to the White House for the Republican Party”

Yeah, sure... you can always count on *that* whoremonger to look out after (R) interests...


34 posted on 06/17/2013 5:10:39 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Carbonsteel
Hey GOPe, you better listen to this guy, because he obviously has our interests at heart. /sarc off

Why would anyone take advice from a RAT?

35 posted on 06/17/2013 5:30:18 AM PDT by anoldafvet
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To: Carbonsteel
.Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., went a step further and predicted "there'll never be a road to the White House for the Republican Party" if immigration overhaul fails to pass.

There never will be another Republican president. That's not because Republicans failed to embrace illegal immigration amnesty, it's because Republicans failed to speak out against massive, culture changing immigration post-1965. The Liberal wing of the Democrat party knew that they couldn't change how the people thought, so they sought to change the people. It worked.

When California was a predominantly white state it was Republican. Now the California is a multicultural mess it's solidly Democrat.

Likewise Texas is becoming increasingly Hispanic and increasingly Democrat. Once Texas flips, perhaps as early as 2016, the Republican shot at the White House is dead, and America is probably dead too.

36 posted on 06/17/2013 5:33:36 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: RugerMini14
" But the GOPe crowd doesn't realize that a permanent redistributive majority is going to seize any profits they make from the cheap labor anyway. And they will lose the most of their rights to an even more oppressive federal bureaucratic monster. And the GOP itself will implode when the conservative base walks. "

They just don't GAF. It's the way they think. They've got their bazillions, enough to own the GOPe, and their interests are that they protect their capital while preventing the ascendancy of anyone else to wealth, thus destroying the middle class.

The difference they see between us and uh, "the undocumented" is either an obsequious, motivated workforce who can "live cheap" by our standards, or Americans, with all our flaws.

37 posted on 06/17/2013 5:42:01 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

” There never will be another Republican president. That’s not because Republicans failed to embrace illegal immigration amnesty, it’s because Republicans failed to speak out against massive, culture changing immigration post-1965. The Liberal wing of the Democrat party knew that they couldn’t change how the people thought, so they sought to change the people. It worked.

When California was a predominantly white state it was Republican. Now the California is a multicultural mess it’s solidly Democrat.

Likewise Texas is becoming increasingly Hispanic and increasingly Democrat. Once Texas flips, perhaps as early as 2016, the Republican shot at the White House is dead, and America is probably dead too. “

good post


38 posted on 06/17/2013 5:44:22 AM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: Carbonsteel
If this abortion passes, the nation is done, over, kaput !

And real Americans will die fighting in the streets.

39 posted on 06/17/2013 5:44:24 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: Carbonsteel

The conviction and execution of the Lerner woman for crimes against the Republic will trump the immigration madness.

The deaths of the convicted IRS criminals will strike fear into all Americans that will insist on a through cleansing of the body politic and body buracrats.

If the IRS executions don’t take place, the immigration stuff doesn’t matter any way. The Republic is lost.


40 posted on 06/17/2013 5:52:40 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: Carbonsteel

You are right; even the liberal states of WI and OR, said to be conducive to a liberal Republican candidate, repudiated RomneyRyan.


41 posted on 06/17/2013 6:12:31 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: txrefugee

Yes, SC people must be the most uninformed in the nation.


42 posted on 06/17/2013 6:16:11 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Democrat_media

All the large TX cities are Democrat except for Fort Worth, but the metro areas have been competitive for some time.


43 posted on 06/17/2013 6:17:08 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Carbonsteel
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., on Sunday told conservatives who are trying to block the measure that they will doom the party


44 posted on 06/17/2013 6:20:49 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: Carbonsteel

“Without it, there’ll never be a road to the White House for the Republican Party.”

Spoken like a commy liberal that he is.


45 posted on 06/17/2013 6:25:52 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by Obama")
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To: Carbonsteel

Who cares they make up 7% of the voting block. This is about taking over a couple of red states and trying to water down their redness. It is also about Agenda 21 and working toward the global family. Other countries want unfettered access to us and our technology and bankrupting us with entitlements and social programs.

The underlying nasty theme is to destroy our Americanism and make us nothing more than a banana republic with a very small ruling class.


46 posted on 06/17/2013 6:37:42 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Sooth2222
Menendez is giving advice again ~ to Republicans!!!!!

Not to be believed.

47 posted on 06/17/2013 7:05:00 AM PDT by muawiyah
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I hear the DNC took a cue from the IRS---and prepared a video to loosen up the senate for the vote.

The tax-financed video is a rollicking, playful take on the Cheech and Chong movie, "Coming to America"....a belly-laugh comedy about drug-laden natives crossing the border illegally.

Sen Schumer plays Cheech and Sen Rubio plays Chong.

Janet Napolitano plays "Rosita," owner of the Mexican cantina, "Reconquista"....she's seen pouring tequila shots for the future US citizens, who are gathered to fill out welfare, EITC refund, and voter registration forms...all in Spanish.

Cameo roles feature Obama as a lovable, compassionate, braindead Stepen Fetchit character who sweeps up the cantina. Michele Obama plays "Conchita," a fiery senorita who has a (cough) room above the cantina.

Sen Menendez plays a helpful "coyote" charging the impoverished Mexicans $10,000 each for a ride across the border and a packet of forged documents.

Barbara Boxer greets the illegals in lace-trimmed mantilla and castanets---performing a rip-roaring Mexican Hat Dance as the illegals cross the border.

Eric Holder portrays "Pepe"---a fast and furious gun-linger in sombrero and serape----who can only say six words in Spanglish---"We dunt need no steeken badjes."

48 posted on 06/17/2013 8:39:09 AM PDT by Liz
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Booby Menendez lecturing Repubs? That's a laugh.

Clearly, The Gang of Eight is getting their marching orders from Third World hellholes and organized latino pressure groups inside the US.

OMINOUS SILENCE Conspiculously silent is the tax-funded Congressional Hispanic Caucus, Voto Latino, the numerous tax- funded Hispanic Federations, the tax-funded blood thirsty La Raza, as well as countless "latino legal rights" groups.

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"Citizenship" is the latino word for "pressure group." Citizenship and welfare benefits are a small part of amnesty---get ready for zillions in foreign aid and other federal handouts.

LYING IN WAIT FOR OUR TAX DOLLARS--- THESE IMPOVERISHED COUNTRIES CURRENTLY HAVE ORGANIZED PRESSURE GROUPS INSIDE THE US (here illegally): Argentina, Belize, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica Republic, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Puerto Rico (stateside)l Salvador, Spain, Uruguay, Venezuela.

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AS ONE EXAMPLE: Dominican Republic travel brochures reveal the Third World hellhole provides no safety nets for its impoverished populations. The DR depends on the billion dollars per year their illegal population collect in the US and send back home.

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC STRANGLEHOLD ON US POLITICS--- It is an unconscionable travesty against representative democracy---to have the corrupt Dominican Republic meddling in our affairs---cooking the books to help Sen Booby Menendez (D-NJ) stay in power. Menendez is on-record using US govt authority to grease the skids for a billion dollar Dominican port- deal (that can facilitate drug cargo into the US).

Menendez was accused of stiffing (excuse it) underage Dominican prostitutes---and also hired an illegal latino who was a registered sex offender to work in his DC office.

HOW DO YOU SAY QUID PRO QUO IN SPANISH? Clearly, a deal was made. IF (BIG IF) the Dominican Republic saves Menendez's degenerate a** (and prevents the dreaded Christie appointment), Obama will write the foreign aid check w/ plenty of zeros.

BOTTOM LINE Menendez has TWO governments protecting him---- Americans have not even one government looking after our interests.

49 posted on 06/17/2013 8:43:26 AM PDT by Liz
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