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Report: McCain, Rubio Got Fox News On Board For Immigration Reform
TPM ^ | 6/17/13 | TOM KLUDT

Posted on 06/17/2013 10:46:09 AM PDT by jimbo123

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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Hannity means well, but I think of him as a shallow pool rather than a deep well.


51 posted on 06/17/2013 2:56:50 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: sickoflibs; 9YearLurker; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne
I posted a few times that I noticed that FNC was ignoring what is going on with the Senate bill and instead sprending all time reporting and opinionizing on the three scandals even though they are unlikely to produce. I think its a convenient cover to get amnesty passed.

Cap and trade almost passed into law while Fox was running 100% 24/7 Michael Jackson death stories for days. I am not kidding, zero mention of an attack on traditional energy.

Like the GOP, Fox is scared s***less somebody will say "racist." Which, I think, makes them even more vulnerable to subtle or overt blackmail.

52 posted on 06/17/2013 2:59:13 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Good comments and thoughts. I agree.


53 posted on 06/17/2013 3:00:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: DoughtyOne

On Fox, Geraldo threw out attacks straight from the leftist playbook against Tea Partiers when they were getting started (”I didn’t see any black or brown people ....”). And I don’t think he ever apologized.


54 posted on 06/17/2013 3:08:05 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Well if he did see Black or Brown people he’s refer to them as Uncle Toms or some such.

Heraldo is an ignorant racist. There’s just no other way to put it.


55 posted on 06/17/2013 3:09:33 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: Nervous Tick

LOL!


56 posted on 06/17/2013 3:51:07 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Thats why we are not watching Fox News right now.


57 posted on 06/17/2013 4:21:53 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: DoughtyOne

<....”I guess they’ll simply have to pass it, for anyone to know what’s in it”....>

The thing weighs 24 pounds! Second only to the Obamacare Bill...and as full of tricks, twists, and turns to make any ones head spin trying to figure it out....but then like Obamacare...that IS the idea...the more complicated..the more they can steal from it and get away with it.


58 posted on 06/17/2013 6:51:08 PM PDT by caww
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To: jpsb

Hard to imagine you’d call Sarah a liar indirectly by claiming I am...

She makes it quite clear we couldn’t possibly deport the illegals...(her words)....and when asked ‘to clarify’ if she was ..”supportive of a pathway to citizenship”... she states clearly..I DO!

So what part of “I DO” don’t you understand???????

Here’s the script of her comments as follows:

As governor, how do you deal with them? Do you think they all should be deported?

There is ...”no way”.... that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant -there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants- not only economically is that just an impossibility but that’s not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue that we face with illegal immigration.

Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?

No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty. You know, people have got to follow the rules. They’ve got to follow the bar, and we have got to make sure that there is ..”equal opportunity” and those who are here legally should be first in line for services being provided and those opportunities that this great country provides.

To clarify,.... so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?

“I Do”....because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.


59 posted on 06/17/2013 7:07:36 PM PDT by caww
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To: jimbo123

no kidding! Hannity has been nothing more than an hour long amnesty bill informercial more than a few times in recent weeks.


60 posted on 06/17/2013 7:09:33 PM PDT by uncitizen (our liberties and freedom are in danger of being taken away forever! Speak out NOW!)
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To: caww

Well confusion is the medium they use these days to grease the wheels.


61 posted on 06/17/2013 7:41:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; 9YearLurker; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne
RE :”Cap and trade almost passed into law while Fox was running 100% 24/7 Michael Jackson death stories for days. I am not kidding, zero mention of an attack on traditional energy.
Like the GOP, Fox is scared s***less somebody will say “racist.” Which, I think, makes them even more vulnerable to subtle or overt blackmail.”

I saw Cavuto today per DVR and he did about 3 anti-amnesty bill segments, one on how illegals who committed multiple crimes here can still stay if they have relatives here. Another on the cost to illegals.

I saw some of Brett Bauer Special Report and it ran (paid) the Rubio pro-amnesty ad as a commercial not a news item, the first time I saw it.

It calls the bill a conservative solution,secures borders first, fines taxes, background check and ends with ‘lets fix this immigration mess now with a conservative solution’. Run by ‘conservative for a new future’ or some other dribble. Power ad.

62 posted on 06/17/2013 7:48:31 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: caww

Like I said, you can lead a FReeper to a statement, but you can’t make them believe it.

Har...

I actually said, you can lead a horse to water..., but I think the message is clear.

Take care Caww.


63 posted on 06/17/2013 7:51:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; 9YearLurker; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne
'Another on the cost to of illegals'
64 posted on 06/17/2013 7:53:02 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I hear you...and thanks.


65 posted on 06/17/2013 7:54:27 PM PDT by caww
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To: DoughtyOne

Yes it is.


66 posted on 06/17/2013 7:55:10 PM PDT by caww
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To: sickoflibs

Boy they’re serving crap sandwiches around the clock to get this pasture-pastie passed, aren’t they.


67 posted on 06/17/2013 7:59:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: DoughtyOne; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; GOPJ
RE :” Boy they’re serving crap sandwiches around the clock to get this pasture-pastie passed, aren’t they”

Rubio is leading it. This is the biggest scam in the history of the GOP on its own voters and members.

Obama lays low on passing this bill while Rubio does the token criticism of Obama and tells Republicans that Obama will hate this bill and that he probably wont even want to sign it.

Rubio is insinuating just yesterday that he will place a ‘conservative’ bill on Obama’s desk and dare him to veto it , and that will hurt Obama soooo, bad.

I am listening to his words very closely. He is playing the Obama weasel word game on us.

68 posted on 06/17/2013 8:12:25 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

It seems like it to me too.

I like the laws on our books today. I just wish they would enforce them.

You know this bill is bad, when you realize we don’t need it. We have good laws on the books. They just refuse to enforce them.


69 posted on 06/17/2013 8:16:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: sickoflibs; 9YearLurker; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne

Thanks for the update. I think you remember I cancelled cable. I was just repeating another poster’s claim that Cavuto had gone bad. Maybe there was a pro-amnesty commercial on his show? I don’t think Cavuto controls that.

Has Brit Hume taken a position?


70 posted on 06/17/2013 8:54:06 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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RE :”Thanks for the update. I think you remember I cancelled cable. I was just repeating another poster’s claim that Cavuto had gone bad. Maybe there was a pro-amnesty commercial on his show? I don’t think Cavuto controls that.”

Cavuto was listed in the thread body above with the others which is where I assume you read it.

Cavuto’s #1 issues are the deficit and spending and so he is not buying Rubio’s line that illegals will pay for themselves let alone pay more for other stuff, Remember he has had Michelle Fields do a few segments on cost of illegals.

Rubio was on Cavuto’s show months ago and he handled Rubio with kid gloves as the others do. (I did a post on that one)

I long for someone who will just confront Rubio with what is actually in that bill and ask him to respond to each point(like EITC) . That is all I ask, but no-one will do it.

They don't want to offend him probably because they see him getting the nomination in 2016.

71 posted on 06/17/2013 9:33:26 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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RE :”I like the laws on our books today. I just wish they would enforce them.
You know this bill is bad, when you realize we don’t need it. We have good laws on the books. They just refuse to enforce them.”

Mass deportation (even self initiated) is not happening. Hell, we cant even cut off the money to them. Maybe 8 years ago when Bush and MCcain pushed amnesty we could dream of such a thing, but no more.

Its been 8 years since then and they been coming and moving in and breeding for those years and the Reagan amnesty recipients and their kids are now voting and the GOP is terrified (Senate and POTUS level) . And Obama has already given them temporary amnesty.
No future GOP POTUS if we ever see one again, is taking the hard line.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Rubio gets the nomination after this if it passes, following MCCain and Romney.( if it fails then Rubio will have to convince Hispanics it was all Obama's fault, a tough sell.)

Anyone can be against 'amnesty' by the way, by simply defining immigration bill as not being amnesty like Ryan just did. Keep that in mind when you see polls.

72 posted on 06/17/2013 11:08:47 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: headstamp 2

‘Cept he said he was not approached by anyone. I don’t understand his fascination with Rubio.


73 posted on 06/18/2013 5:39:03 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: 0.E.O

She did run with McCain.


74 posted on 06/18/2013 5:42:28 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Not sure...


75 posted on 06/18/2013 8:01:56 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: PghBaldy
She did run with McCain.

She's very much her own person now.

76 posted on 06/18/2013 8:37:20 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs; 9YearLurker; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne

” Like the GOP, Fox is scared s***less somebody will say “racist.”

Good point.


77 posted on 06/18/2013 9:31:56 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; 9YearLurker; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne

” It calls the bill a conservative solution,secures borders first, fines taxes, background check and ends with ‘lets fix this immigration mess now with a conservative solution’. Run by ‘conservative for a new future’ or some other dribble. Power ad. “

These people to me, are as evil as Obama. No joke!


78 posted on 06/18/2013 9:35:59 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

My response to the charge of racism used to be that I was married to a wonderful Hispanic woman, and I loved her family as much as my own.

I am now separated from this woman, and her family members need to think I’m a slug to understand what she has done.

None the less, I still love them all. That’s life.

The fact is, if we were being invaded by Whites from Britain, it wouldn’t be any different. We cannot have foreign nationals flooding our nation to the extent assimilation is impossible.


79 posted on 06/18/2013 9:38:17 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I agree. It’s slight of hand. Look what I’m doing with my left hand, and forget about my right hand.

Evil. They are trying to pull the wool over our eyes.

Not workin’!


80 posted on 06/18/2013 9:40:21 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; GOPJ

” This is the biggest scam in the history of the GOP on its own voters and members.”

AMEN, brother! And by FAR the most evil!


81 posted on 06/18/2013 9:46:08 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; 9YearLurker

” I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Rubio gets the nomination after this if it passes,”

I would sooner vote for Hillary.NOT joking.


82 posted on 06/18/2013 9:50:06 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: DoughtyOne

Not working with more than these GOP traitors currently realize.


83 posted on 06/18/2013 10:14:55 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I agree.


84 posted on 06/18/2013 10:17:14 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: jimbo123; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy; ...
This morning changing channels I caught some of FNC F+F and one of their first segments was a interview with an author who wrote a book on illegal immigration who said the border is open and dangerous and that this amnesty bill ‘will destroy this country if passed’

Soon after that they did a 30 sec promo on todays Cavuto’s Your World having Jim DeMint on as a guest to talk about the same, how we must kill this immigration bill.

I conclude the premise of this thread post is false, that there is no general pro-amnesty bias across FNC.

85 posted on 06/19/2013 4:41:13 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs; jimbo123; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; BillyBoy

Check THIS out!!

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/06/19/allen-west-open-to-senate-primary-challenge-against-rubio/

LtC Allen West jumping in against Rubio in a primary???

Liking this.....liking this a lot!!!


86 posted on 06/19/2013 8:13:44 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: sickoflibs

Thanks for the input.


87 posted on 06/19/2013 10:25:52 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: NFHale

” LtC Allen West jumping in against Rubio in a primary???”

Interesting!


88 posted on 06/19/2013 10:26:32 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I figured the Colonel wasn’t done yet... Good on ‘im. He’s a Patriot.


89 posted on 06/19/2013 12:07:25 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

Yes he is.


90 posted on 06/19/2013 12:10:35 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: NFHale; stephenjohnbanker; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; justiceseeker93; ...

Well the man belongs back in office.


91 posted on 06/19/2013 4:28:41 PM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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RE :”I conclude the premise of this thread post is false, that there is no general pro-amnesty bias across FNC.(SOL above) “

I do see that here I predicted that FNC would under-report the immigration battles though esp using the scandals as a smoke screen..

The Politics of (Obama) Scandals and getting the immigration bill to Obama’s desk (me | 6/13/2013 | SOL of course)

92 posted on 06/19/2013 10:34:38 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs; jimbo123; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy
I conclude the premise of this thread post is false, that there is no general pro-amnesty bias across FNC.

The word "general" is a relative term. But I believe there have always been traitors on board.

93 posted on 06/19/2013 11:42:05 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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RE :”I conclude the premise of this thread post is false, that there is no general pro-amnesty bias across FNC.
.....
The word “general” is a relative term. But I believe there have always been traitors on board.

Let me rephrase. I see no consistent pro-amnesty message on that channel. I don't see a patterm.
Cavuto had on DeMint yesterday to talk about it.

94 posted on 06/20/2013 4:36:59 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Impy; stephenjohnbanker; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; justiceseeker93

I was amazed at how swiftly the “powers that be” from both sides of the aisle went after him.

The good Colonel must have really made them wet their pants.

Flak = Over Target...


95 posted on 06/20/2013 5:30:29 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: jimbo123; headstamp 2; cotton1706; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; Sean Hannity; holdonnow; Spaulding; ...
I've seen and heard a lot of Hannity, and I don't agree that he is (at least not now) on board with the Gang of Eight's immigration bill. Yesterday on his radio show, he had an extensive interview with Rand Paul, who went over a bunch of defects in the Gang's bill and contrasted them with his own proposals. Hannity didn't seemed disturbed by Paul's criticism of the Gang of Eight.

The New Yorker has a long history as a leftist piece of trash (remember when Sid Blumenthal did puff pieces for Clinton there?), despite its fancying itself as highbrow, and we shouldn't trust them to report accurately. Their purpose in this piece may very well be to stealthily sow discord within the ranks of us, the opposition. Operations like the New Yorker are keenly aware of the massive public opposition that derailed amnesty in 2007 and seem intent on preventing a recurrence. Let's not play up their bogus stories.

96 posted on 06/20/2013 6:38:42 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: NFHale; Lions Gate; 9YearLurker; RIghtwardHo; Puppage; MichaelCorleone; crosslink; metafugitive; ...
Rush Limbaugh is NOT supporting the Gang of Eight Bill. He couldn't have been more emphatic about that in his discussion this morning.

Please see my post # 96.

97 posted on 06/20/2013 9:52:10 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

I was not under the impression that he was, but thanks for posting that.


98 posted on 06/20/2013 9:55:27 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: justiceseeker93
Rush Limbaugh is NOT supporting the Gang of Eight Bill. He couldn't have been more emphatic about that in his discussion this morning. Please see my post # 96.

I never inferred that he was. Rush's continuing embrace of Rubio often blurs Rush's position on Amnesty because Rubio has defined himself as Amnesty. Rush no doubt is against Amnesty because Rush is self-employed.

Hannity is a different matter. Hannity may be self-employed on radio but on television Murdoch cuts his checks and he must take his marching orders from Ailes and Tokyo Rove. Anyone who watched Hannity's interview of Rubio on Fox last night, had to be wondering why Hannity was asking questions using the term conservatives in the third person and why Rubio was answering questions using the term conservatives in the third person. As I posted on another thread, Hannity is not really a conservative, he just plays one on what the MSM refers to as right-wing radio.

99 posted on 06/20/2013 10:54:14 AM PDT by metafugitive
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To: metafugitive

I agree with you re: Rush and Hannity, but I don’t think self-employment is determinative. The self-employed who benefit from illegal labor tend to be for amnesty, for example.


100 posted on 06/20/2013 10:57:38 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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