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Klamath Tribes and Feds Exercise Water Rights
ABCnews ^ | 6/11/13 | JEFF BARNARD

Posted on 06/17/2013 8:26:16 PM PDT by Baynative

Tens of thousands of acres in Oregon's drought-stricken Klamath Basin will have to go without irrigation water this summer after the Klamath Tribes and the federal government exercised newly confirmed powers that put the tribes in the driver's seat over water use — a move ranchers fear will be economically disastrous.

Klamath Tribes Chairman Don Gentry and U.S. Bureau of Reclamation Commissioner Mike Connor said Monday that they were making what is known as a "call" on their water rights for rivers flowing into Upper Klamath Lake in Southern Oregon.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: agenda21; epa; klamath; notthiscrapagain; oregon; tribes; water
The action plays into a continuing political battle over removing three hydroelectric dams owned by Pacificorp on the Klamath River to allow salmon to return to the upper basin to spawn. Ranchers in the upper basin are split between those who support a companion settlement that would have eased water tensions, and those who bet on the legal process to give them senior water rights.
1 posted on 06/17/2013 8:26:16 PM PDT by Baynative
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To: TEXOKIE; ELVISNIXON.com; SunkenCiv; E. Pluribus Unum; CharlyFord; cripplecreek; OneLoyalAmerican; ..
How much more?
2 posted on 06/17/2013 8:27:58 PM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep one hand on my shoulder and the other over my mouth.)
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To: Baynative

Rivers in Oregon don’t dry up, I don’t see what the concern could be.


3 posted on 06/17/2013 8:28:50 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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To: Baynative

How much more what?


4 posted on 06/17/2013 8:30:39 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Baynative

Here we go again.


5 posted on 06/17/2013 8:31:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: Baynative

SHTF is not a bad thing anymore. It really isn’t.


6 posted on 06/17/2013 8:31:37 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: marsh2

Ping


7 posted on 06/17/2013 8:35:27 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (President Obama; The Slumlord of the Rentseekers)
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To: Baynative
Here we go again.

Save The Sucker Fish!

8 posted on 06/17/2013 8:35:53 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Baynative; Jeff Head

oh boy


9 posted on 06/17/2013 8:37:03 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Baynative

“...but some are more equal than others”


10 posted on 06/17/2013 8:45:49 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Baynative

So it sounds like the Klamath Indians want the salmon and the hydro plant operators want the water, and it’s impossible to have both.


11 posted on 06/17/2013 8:52:23 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Baynative

That’s the doctrine of prior appropriation for ya’.


12 posted on 06/17/2013 8:53:02 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: Jeff Head; Carry_Okie

What’s up with this?? Dang!


13 posted on 06/17/2013 8:53:35 PM PDT by cyn (Benghazi.)
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To: cyn

The Indians were very wily when they forged their treaties. Somehow they are sovereign nations avoiding taxes and exerting rights, but also they can vote in our elections.


14 posted on 06/17/2013 8:59:53 PM PDT by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: angry elephant

Avoiding taxes? I thought that was the point.


15 posted on 06/17/2013 9:01:24 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: FreedomStar3028

Well...depends upon what is UP river....say, a Dam....which can affect water flow....but the enviro’s here (and I think the Klamath other tribes) want NATURE to rule. It won’t be pretty. You can hear more about it on www.ISPYRADIO.com if you look in their archives from about a year or so ago.


16 posted on 06/17/2013 9:43:38 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Baynative

Thanks for the ping!


17 posted on 06/17/2013 9:51:19 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Water rights ping


18 posted on 06/17/2013 9:55:13 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Baynative; abcraghead; aimhigh; Archie Bunker on steroids; bicycle thug; blackie; coffeebreak; ...
If you aren't on this ping list and are interested
in articles about Oregon, please FReepmail me.

19 posted on 06/17/2013 10:07:35 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Baynative; All

I was there in 2001 when we fought to end the turn-off then and force the government to the table. I tried to tell then at that time that they needed to sue for the irrigation works to be transferred to the farmers because they had long since been paid off.

Some of the farmers and ranchers wanted to deal with the government and the Indians and come to a mutually acceptable decision. I did not agree with it then, and do not agree with it now. But it was the decision that they made.

Problem is that the farmers who did not agree to this, but had it placed upon them by their own, are the ones who will now suffer the most.

Sad, sad day. Mike Conners is an environmental, legal type who was appointed by Salazar, who himself has since been replaced as the Secretary of Interior by he former CEO of RCI, who herself is a rabid environmentalist.

The Stand at Klamath Falls
http://www.jeffhead.com/klamath/


20 posted on 06/17/2013 10:17:38 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
"Secretary of Interior by he former CEO of RCI, who herself is a rabid environmentalist."

British born Sally Jewell, CEO of REI and Now Interior Sec. was also one of the biggest backers of Obamacare. As soon as it was passed shes asked for (and got) and exemption for her company.

21 posted on 06/17/2013 10:22:27 PM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep one hand on my shoulder and the other over my mouth.)
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To: Baynative

Yes she is. I posted RCI, but meant REI.

She is apparently a close personal friend of Michelle’s.


22 posted on 06/17/2013 10:41:52 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head

Jeff—Damn.... not again...
I own the MI fundraiser bucket.
They should have fought it all the way
to the Supremes. Thing is the upper reaches
of Klamath River below Klamath Falls are so
steep, that even with dams gone, salmon will
not make it to the lake. And if the tribes would catch
suckers and salmon 99.9% would would still only eat at
Mc Burger like the rest of us..Ed Hubel


23 posted on 06/17/2013 11:29:36 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: hubel458
The headwaters of the river is a 3X5 concrete ditch that keeps the mud flats of that pond wet so the whole valley won't smell. As for those Indians, They sold back the tribal rights. Many years later they were restored.
24 posted on 06/18/2013 12:16:14 AM PDT by Domangart
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To: Baynative

This is surely bound to end well. Right?


25 posted on 06/18/2013 1:18:54 AM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: Baynative

The indians near Palm Springs are also claiming rights to the water of the cities in that desert area.


26 posted on 06/18/2013 4:29:35 AM PDT by Moonmad27 ("I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." Jessica Rabbit)
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To: FreedomStar3028

Methinks you are confusing very rainy coastal Oregon (people don’t tan, they rust) with high desert eastern Oregon.


27 posted on 06/18/2013 6:53:11 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Moonmad27; Just Lori; Libertina; Lexinom; horatio; freebird5850; Horatio Gates; Ramius; ...
When all the different tribal leaders get together, they share stories about how they rolled over people in their areas, then they all go home and put each others' strategies to work.

They use the EPA to enforce rules on everyone but them, they don't pay taxes and run their own courts. They oppose development, but pave forests to build casinos. They fish or hunt in any season and are apparently not even bound by endangered species regulations. In Washington they hunt whales and they can kill Bald Eagles in Wyoming.

In Washington, they have a great scam where they sell gasoline at the same price as other stations, but they don't have to pay the high state gas tax ($.375 pr. ga.). They just pocket the difference. Governor Gregoire said she cut the deal so they wouldn't start refining their won gas and they shouldn't pay the tax, nor can they be audited because they are a sovereign nation.

28 posted on 06/18/2013 7:19:31 AM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep one hand on my shoulder and the other over my mouth.)
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To: hubel458

Ed, this is tragic, and it is likely to get more so...all over the ocuntry.

This administration knows no bounds and will continue with these travesties until We the People stop them.

Obama is an Abject Marxist Ideolog
http://www.freewebs.com/jeffhead/obama-time.htm


29 posted on 06/18/2013 8:36:24 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Baynative

In Whatcom County, the leftist social engineers are suing over well rights in unincorporated areas. The social engineers claim that the county council zoning plan allows too many wells and are not in compliance with the GMA.

The problem with their thinking is that the wells don’t impact the streams or the Nooksack River, particularly in the area of the county where I live because there is an earthquake fault which runs from Sandy Point, all along Cherry Point to the other side of Birch Bay, which is caused by two tectonic plates which come together, sliding over the inland plate, putting all the water too deep to retreive.


30 posted on 06/18/2013 10:40:31 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Baynative

In this particular case, the Upper Basin farmers joined the mid-Klamath people in opposition to the Klamath agreement. The Bureau of Reclamation Project farmers made the deal selling out the upper basin farmers and the mid-Klamath people by agreeing to take these upper farmer’s water and retire their lands and by agreeing to remove the three dams in the mid Klamath. It was a violation of trust and loyalty to all of these who had supported them in 2001.

The Klamath tribe ceded it territory to the US and retained water rights for hunting and fishing. Therefore, their “time immemorial” rights trump the upper basin farmers late 1880 rights. That is why those farmers are being shut down. Wyden is trying to use this as leverage to broker a deal to get the upper basin farmers to agree to the Klamath Agreement. This will give the Klamath tribe a National Forest in exchange for some of its water rights. They also want to promise the whole upper basin better electric rates by shifting the cost onto the mid-Klamath.

I am in the mid-Klamath. This is very dirty business and involves a great deal of betrayal.

CA non=pueblo tribes had their rights extinguished under Mexico. Their reservations were created by Executive Order and do not have time immemorial standing. Water rights date back only to the date of reservation creation and only for the purpose of the reservation.


31 posted on 06/23/2013 4:08:26 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: Baynative

If anyone wants to be on or off the Agenda 21 ping list, please notify me by Freepmail. It is a relatively low volume list in which we have been exploring the UN Agenda21 and related topics. We have collected our studies with threads, links, and discussions on the Agenda 21 thread which can be found here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2738418/posts

NEW ACTION THREAD:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2863065/posts

Post 128 of the Action Thread is a summary of the history of Agenda 21, “what they are doing”, “what to do about it” and a good bibliography for further reading.


32 posted on 07/17/2013 12:41:13 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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