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America's Assimilating Hispanics (We Don't Need No Stinkin' Border Fence)
Wall Street Journal ^ | June 17, 2013 | Staff

Posted on 06/18/2013 8:42:07 AM PDT by lbryce

The evidence shows they are following the path of earlier immigrants.

As immigration reform moves through Congress, one claim by opponents is that this time immigration is different because the country's latest arrivals aren't assimilating. On the contrary, however, the evidence overwhelmingly shows that today's immigrants are acculturating and moving up the economic ladder like previous generations.

The media's tendency to report "averages" in educational attainment, English-language skills, income and other traditional measures of assimilation can make it difficult to determine whether immigrants are making gains. Since Latino immigration continues, averaging together the poverty rates or homeownership levels of large numbers of people who arrived recently with those who have been here for decades can provide a skewed view of progress.

Measuring assimilation properly requires following the same immigrants over generations. And the good news is that longitudinal studies that take this approach show that Latino immigrants have made gains similar to other groups who preceded them.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; hispanics; illegalaliens; immigration
There has been major concern that Hispanics weren't losing their ethnicity in assimilating into the American melting pot, the way previous generations have done, the consequences of which would skew the nation's demographic composition at the cost of America eventually losing it's identity ,political perspective as a result.

This report demonstrates otherwise but I have grave doubts on the veracity, legitimacy of what it purports to convey.

Call me a cynic but I believe there's a deeper more sinister point to the report and that is as a message to xenophobes that there's no need to feel threatened by the multitude of Hispanics entering the country illegally or even the need to build a boundary fence with Mexico to keep them out, because eventually as these fine, hard-working folks arrive, as generations past have done, legally or otherwise, in search of their own American dream, like previous generations have in fact been shedding their local ethnicity conforming to the American way of life, it's culture, like a snake shedding its skin for a brand new shiny one underneath.

So, I don't necessarily buy this demographic dream the left-wing liberals have concocted about the future and any need to worry about illegals overrunning the country or having to build a ridiculous, overly expensive fence we are ill-equipped to build financially, politically, anyway.

1 posted on 06/18/2013 8:42:07 AM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

WSJ, are you kidding? You are right to doubt the veracity of this article.


2 posted on 06/18/2013 8:43:14 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: lbryce

I knew a Hispanic girl 25 years ago who told me that her dad would get angry whenever anyone in the house spoke Spanish. “You are Americans now, and you must speak English!”

I have the impression though that situation has changed light-years since I knew her.


3 posted on 06/18/2013 8:46:05 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: lbryce

Too bad there isn’t a wave of illegals waiting to take all the editorial jobs at the WSJ. They might have a different take on the blessings of illegal aliens.


4 posted on 06/18/2013 8:46:14 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: lbryce

Who wrote this? Paul Gigot? He’s been schilling for amnesty for at least ten years, since he took over the WSJ editorial page when Robert Bartley died.


5 posted on 06/18/2013 8:46:53 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: lbryce

The whole assumption is WRONG since previous legal “immigrants” got no benefits on the backs of taxpayers and had to swim or sink as they became US citizens with total loyalty to the US for giving them a chance to swim.


6 posted on 06/18/2013 8:47:23 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: lbryce

Most immigrants assimilate. So what? That is no argument for open borders or amnesty for tens of millions.


7 posted on 06/18/2013 8:47:54 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: cotton1706

Michael Medvid had Gigot on yesterday. Medvid is about 10% as smart as he thinks he is.


8 posted on 06/18/2013 8:50:26 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: lbryce

Typical liberal Utopian line of attack: Everyone is the same, all people are equal. You think otherwise and you’re a racist.


9 posted on 06/18/2013 8:50:34 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: lbryce

America is not assimilating “Hispanics”, they are assimilating America. All you have to do is look around, they denigrate every aspect of American life, turning neighborhoods into Tijuana as fast as possible. Learn English? hell no! we are supposed to learn to speak Spanish! This is the major problem, they don’t want to be Americans (after all we stole Aztlan from them) they just want everything they can suck out of America!


10 posted on 06/18/2013 9:02:44 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: lbryce

WSJ has been running an incessant parade of left wing opinion pieces. And their hard news is totally skewed as well. It is the functional equivalent of the NY Slimes.


11 posted on 06/18/2013 9:04:28 AM PDT by crusader71
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To: lbryce

Want to know when we’ll know hispanics are assimilating into America?

When I make a phone call and I never, ever again hear:

“Press 1 for English...”


12 posted on 06/18/2013 9:10:16 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: lbryce

my experience shows they are not assimilating except for a small percentage...generally the better educated and informed illegals. the majority still want to go back Mexico after they fleece the USA.


13 posted on 06/18/2013 9:10:45 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: lbryce

Where will their petulant offspring invade after they turn America in the hellhole they escaped from? Invade and multiply appears to be their religion.


14 posted on 06/18/2013 9:11:34 AM PDT by soycd
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To: cotton1706
There shall be open borders. Right, WSJ?

Same open borders BS, different decade.

WSJ hates 'nationalism' unless its 'Hispanic'.

15 posted on 06/18/2013 9:11:56 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: Theoria

Why don’t we just roll into mexico and take over the land near the border and see out they like it.


16 posted on 06/18/2013 9:12:49 AM PDT by spawn44 (MOO)
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To: spawn44

Nuke mexico.


17 posted on 06/18/2013 9:17:33 AM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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To: lbryce

Mexico is absorbing the United States, already close to 10% of their population has physically relocated to here.


18 posted on 06/18/2013 9:24:09 AM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: lbryce

Assimilating?!?!?!

Then why do I have to “press 1 for English”?????

The schools and laws actively DISCOURAGE “assimilation”!!!


19 posted on 06/18/2013 9:24:43 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: ogen hal

Any Christian that votes (d-rat) is a hypocrite.


20 posted on 06/18/2013 9:25:55 AM PDT by bicyclerepair (Inbred, pedophile-worshipping, misogynists (mozlums) offend me.)
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To: lbryce

Agree. It does not matter that many of the Hispanics show some signs of “assimilating.” What counts is the small dedicated minority that is “Hell Bent” on reconquest. La Raza comes to mind. I had a young Chicana lawyer tell me once “We are taking over here!” They are in California, Arizona Nevada and Texas the very states we obtained by way of the war with Mexico.


21 posted on 06/18/2013 9:31:01 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: lbryce
I want to see stats on second and third generation political assimilation.

Are second and third generation "Hispanics" voting for Big Government??

WSJ doesn't address that aspect.

22 posted on 06/18/2013 9:40:26 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: lbryce

What the article does not address is the phenomenon of two Hispanics completely fluent in English but still reverting to Spanish when speaking with each other. En masse this can create Spanish speaking colonies despite the fact that the majority of them can speak English.


23 posted on 06/18/2013 9:53:54 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: freeangel

The whole assumption is WRONG since previous legal “immigrants” got no benefits on the backs of taxpayers and had to swim or sink as they became US citizens with total loyalty to the US for giving them a chance to swim.

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Post of the month!


24 posted on 06/18/2013 10:23:04 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: DoughtyOne

I’m surprised the smartest guy in the room still has a show.


25 posted on 06/18/2013 12:04:03 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

He must have a big following in the ‘Moderate’ (read that too ashamed to admit their full blown Leftist) crowd.


26 posted on 06/18/2013 12:13:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: Mastador1

“America is not assimilating “Hispanics”, they are assimilating America.”

Illegals are the issue, not Hispanic immigration, nor Hispanic cultures. It’s been my lifelong observation that by the 2nd and 3rd generations, Mexicans or Costa Ricans or whover are Americanized to the extent that Europeans were Americanized during the waves of immigration at the turn of the 20th century. We still have “Little Italy’s”, Jewish neighborhoods, and Chinatowns and we’ll have ‘Little Mexico’s”. That part is ok, it’s our American heritage.

In point of fact, “Hispanics” have always been part of Southern and Western American culture. New Orleans was once a spanish city, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, and California.

That said, we must put 100% stop to illegals, make them apply like everyone else (i.e. enforce our laws). No general amnesty. English and naturalization is a requirement. We should expect that out of everyone who wants to come here.

Oath of Citizenship:
“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince ,potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have hertofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God. In acknowledgment whereof I have hereunto affixed my signature.”

It is the American government that is the villan here.


27 posted on 06/18/2013 1:26:39 PM PDT by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: Owl558

Well it’s been my lifelong experience as a first generation American of immigrants, that things just are not the same as they used to be! Yes there have always been enclaves of Germans, Italians, Puerto Rican’s, Spaniards,whatever, the one biding agent was that they came here to be Americans, and they pushed their children to assimilate and learn the American Culture. They did not deny their children their heritage, nor should anyone ever deny their heritage, but they did want their children to become Americans!
Now we see things differently, I feel that there are still peoples wanting to come here to be Americans, but I feel
(and have dealt with many as either employer or co worker)the vast majority from our southern border have no intent whatsoever in shifting their allegiance. I am not saying that they are bad people, just the facts as I have experienced them.


28 posted on 06/18/2013 2:51:25 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1

You make fair points. The old melting pot isn’t what it used to be, is it? I believe it’s still working out there, just overwelmed. The government must begin controling the borders and enforcing our immigration laws.


29 posted on 06/18/2013 3:53:46 PM PDT by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: Owl558

I totally agree! Once we control our borders and control the timing of immigrants we will get a handle on the rest. Being the offspring of immigrants I have no animus against LEGAL immigrants who follow the rules and want to better themselves.


30 posted on 06/18/2013 4:08:36 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: txrefugee
Too bad there isn’t a wave of illegals waiting to take all the editorial jobs at the WSJ. They might have a different take on the blessings of illegal aliens.

LOL. So true.
Do you think if we had waves of undocumented politicians willing to legislate over here for $6.00/hr we'd get a border fence built?

31 posted on 06/18/2013 7:22:11 PM PDT by YankeeReb (Freedom and equality are sworn and everlasting enemies, when one prevails the other dies.)
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To: lbryce

“This report demonstrates otherwise but I have grave doubts on the veracity, legitimacy of what it purports to convey.”

That report is a steaming crock of $%^#.

The WSJ is a stronghold of the Treason Lobby- their idiot former editor wanted a Constitutional Amendment stating “There Shall Be Open Borders”. And their current editor is just as bad.

They have no interest in telling the truth when it comes to immigration.


32 posted on 06/19/2013 12:41:42 AM PDT by Pelham (Deportation is the law. When it's not enforced you get California)
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To: DoughtyOne

“Michael Medvid had Gigot on yesterday. Medvid is about 10% as smart as he thinks he is.”

You deserve a medal for being willing to listen to Medved. And Gigot for that matter.


33 posted on 06/19/2013 12:43:30 AM PDT by Pelham (Deportation is the law. When it's not enforced you get California)
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To: Pelham

I’d have to return the medal. I couldn’t listen to those two. I happened by the station and listened for a minute to see if Medvid was as ignorant as I remembered him being, and had my confirmation in moments.


34 posted on 06/19/2013 6:16:08 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“I happened by the station and listened for a minute to see if Medved was as ignorant as I remembered him being, and had my confirmation in moments.”

Michael Medved’s politics began on the hard left, to the point of working for Red Ron Dellums back in the day.

He moved to the center to support Reagan back in 1980 but in a lot of ways he’s returned to his natural affinity for things left- that’s certainly the case when it comes to amnesty and immigration.

His idea of a ‘conservative’ is Lindsey Graham, John McCain, basically all the usual suspects from the GOP elite.


35 posted on 06/19/2013 9:07:58 PM PDT by Pelham (Deportation is the law. When it's not enforced you get California)
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To: Pelham

Funny thing is, I think he actually thinks of himself as a moderate to right leaning individual. Your Graham/McCain mention is about it though isn’t it.


36 posted on 06/19/2013 9:14:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: DoughtyOne

” I think he actually thinks of himself as a moderate to right leaning individual. “

I’m not so sure. I think he knows better, but poses as a conservative for several reasons.

For one, he makes a living pitching his work to conservatives. Alienating your target audience isn’t a smart move, although he manages to do that surprisingly often.

Another reason is that he tries to nudge conservatives to the left, to where he likes to be. This is a common tactic among the GOP elite and he fits right in with them.

But I think his primary reason is that he bitterly despises isolationism. He has said that Nixon’s rallying to Israel’s defense in 1973 made him rethink his commitment to the radical left and this is why he drifted away from the Democrats when the McGovernites took control.

He came out for Reagan in 1980 because of Reagan’s muscular foreign policy, but like many other neocons he still firmly embraces liberal social views. This is muted somewhat in Medved by his religious practice.

But despite his posturing I don’t think that it’s too hard to see through Medved. He’s definitely an influence peddler for the GOP moderates who want to marginalize conservative influence in the Party. I use him the vet up and coming candidates. If Medved is for them then I regard it as a warning flag- so it’s no surprise to find Rubio exposed as a fraud.


37 posted on 06/19/2013 9:41:56 PM PDT by Pelham (Deportation is the law. When it's not enforced you get California)
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To: Pelham

I agree with what you posted. Some of it I hadn’t heard before. I haven’t listened in to his show to learn quite as much as you have. It pains me to listen to a guy who doesn’t get it.

I’ve even had to turn Rush off a few times when he backed people or policies I couldn’t.

It is a good policy to listen to who people support, when you know they aren’t solid conservatives. It does help to vet people.


38 posted on 06/20/2013 5:29:50 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: lbryce
It has been my personal observation that Mexican immigrants may be the one group where the children actually do worse than the parents.

Typically, the first generation immigrants are very poor but are willing to work long hours at tedious or physically demanding jobs. One thing that they do not do, however, is encourage their children to obtain the education and skills in order to have higher-paying, higher-skill jobs. As a result, the kids are given the choice: do a dead end job like dad for minimum wage, live on welfare, or run in a gang and engage in crime. All too often, the children of Mexican immigrants choose options 2 or 3.

Culturally, I've noticed that the first and second generations opt out of both Mexican culture and mainstream American culture. They often speak barrio Spanglish instead of either Spanish or English, and act in ways that wouldn't be acceptable in either Mexico or the United States. A smaller subset (the Chicano activist types) prefer reverse assimilation, refusing to speak any English at all or take part in any aspect of American life.

39 posted on 06/20/2013 12:26:28 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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