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NSA Surveillance thwarted stock exchange bomb plot, officials say
CNN ^ | 06/18/2013 | Dana Bash and Tom Cohen

Posted on 06/18/2013 12:28:15 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Bomb plots targeting the New York Stock Exchange and the city's subway were among more than 50 worldwide thwarted by top-secret surveillance programs since the al Qaeda attacks on the United States, authorities said on Tuesday.

Gen. Keith Alexander, National Security Agency director, FBI and other officials revealed startling details at a House Intelligence Committee hearing aimed at finding out more about the telephone and e-mail surveillance initiatives that came to light this month through leaks of classified information to newspapers.

It was the most comprehensive and specific defense of those methods that have come under ferocious criticism from civil liberties groups, some members of Congress and others concerned about the reach of government into the private lives of citizens in the interest of national security.

National security and law enforcement officials asserted that the leaks were egregious and carry huge consequences for national security.

"I think it was irreversible and significant damage to this nation," Alexander said when questioned by Rep. Michele Bachmann.

"Has this helped America's enemies?" the Minnesota Republican asked.

"I believe it has and I believe it will hurt us and our allies," Alexander said.

President Barack Obama has defended the programs as necessary in an era of terror, and said they have been vetted by Congress and are subject to strict legal checks.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: nsa; surveillance; terrorism
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1 posted on 06/18/2013 12:28:15 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

We’re supposed to believe that?


2 posted on 06/18/2013 12:29:13 PM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: SeekAndFind
President Barack Obama has defended the programs as necessary in an era of terror, and said they have been vetted by Congress and are subject to strict legal checks.

Yeah, "You might be a terrorist" for $800, Alex.

3 posted on 06/18/2013 12:31:26 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: SeekAndFind

Nice

tell the enemy which of his plans we intercepted

This DAMAGING leak didn’t come from Snowden, the REAL damaging leaks are coming out now as the administration goes into hyperdrive to cover B. Hussein O’bama’s skinny butt


4 posted on 06/18/2013 12:32:31 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: SeekAndFind

If this was the stock exchange bomb that the DemocRATS set off during the 2008 campaign, I don’t think the NSA really did that good of a job thwarting it.


5 posted on 06/18/2013 12:33:12 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (23,116,441 households on Food Stamps! Now that's what I call HISTORICAL!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Their observations worked really well in Boston.


6 posted on 06/18/2013 12:34:06 PM PDT by Parmy
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To: SeekAndFind

They’ve got a grand total of ONE guy in prison who is arguably the result of their surveillance.

And only 330,000,000 people’s Fourth Amendment Rights had to be violated!

Great tradeoff of security for freedom. Way to go.


7 posted on 06/18/2013 12:34:11 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (If youÂ’re happy and you know it clank your chains!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

RE: If this was the stock exchange bomb that the DemocRATS set off during the 2008 campaign

Are you speaking literally or figuratively?


8 posted on 06/18/2013 12:34:24 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The latter.


9 posted on 06/18/2013 12:35:47 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (23,116,441 households on Food Stamps! Now that's what I call HISTORICAL!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Really? Then give us names and dates of arrest.


10 posted on 06/18/2013 12:35:49 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yay for the NSA. Meanwhile I hope they enjoy my spice cake recipe that I sent to a few friends last year.


11 posted on 06/18/2013 12:35:50 PM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: SeekAndFind
We'll...

12 posted on 06/18/2013 12:36:01 PM PDT by conservative98
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To: SeekAndFind

Saved the exchange, huh? The one that cleaned out the whole country and put us in hock? The one playing with junk mortgage debt market?

THAT is what the NSA saved, huh?

They present this as a DEFENSE...?

“We the NSA are ok cuz we saved the big BANKS and the Securities Industry...”

Let me get this straight —this will make us and especially LIBERALS like the NSA more...?


13 posted on 06/18/2013 12:37:28 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Uncle Miltie

3*10^-7% is great.


14 posted on 06/18/2013 12:37:39 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course, he is letting the NSA have 100% of the credit for the fact that no bomb ever went off.

While there could have been a thousand reasons for that.

-Terrorists could not come up with operational funding for various reasons.

-Operatives not able to secure a visa or enter the U.S.

-Alert bystander stumbled onto their plan and blew the whistle.

-Local police presence (always pretty heavy around Wall St., I’d presume) deterred their attempt.

-Incompetent cave-dwellers failed to build a functioning bomb.

etc. etc. etc. etc.

It’s like having a Hurricane Season with no major damage, and then giving all of the credit to your very expensive Hurricane Deflector Project.


15 posted on 06/18/2013 12:39:03 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

Ask the victims of the Boston bombing... uhh, I mean those who are still alive if they feel warm fuzzies and all safe knowing that the NSA has been collecting THEIR personal info.

I’m sure they’re comforted greatly.


16 posted on 06/18/2013 12:44:27 PM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: silverleaf
Rhetorical bait and switch by Alexander. The uproar is over CONUS to CONUS communication. The general referenced a CONUS to OCONUS transmitted communication that was intercepted.

Come on folks FOCUS.

17 posted on 06/18/2013 12:45:48 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: SeekAndFind

How long before the NSA claims they stopped the Muslims from blowing up the moon?


18 posted on 06/18/2013 12:46:23 PM PDT by PlanToDisappear
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To: SeekAndFind

NSA: We don’t listen, we only track phone numbers

NSA: We stopped an attack on the New York exchange from what we learned.

What is wrong with this picture?


19 posted on 06/18/2013 12:48:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: SMARTY

If the NSA is such a crack outfit, why weren’t they able to stop the two rinky dink Boston bombers?


20 posted on 06/18/2013 12:52:09 PM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

The head of the NSA named a specific plot that was intercepted and stopped

unless all those plotters are in prison or dead, now they know they were compromised and they will find another way to communicate

That is DAMAGE

They didnt get this information from Snowden


21 posted on 06/18/2013 12:53:22 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: SMARTY
We’re supposed to believe that?

Yes.

Without the slightest question or hesitation.

22 posted on 06/18/2013 12:54:08 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: MeganC

Only if you told your friends to serve it at a tea party


23 posted on 06/18/2013 12:54:32 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wait, didn’t the vacationer-in-chief just tell us that the war on terror is over? Yet, just two weeks later we find that there have been over fifty thwarted terror attempts on Americans. So which is it?


24 posted on 06/18/2013 12:56:08 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: kenmcg
If the NSA is such a crack outfit, why weren’t they able to stop the two rinky dink Boston bombers?

Well DUH! The Russians misspelled their names when they warned us!

25 posted on 06/18/2013 12:56:49 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: DoughtyOne

RE: NSA: We don’t listen, we only track phone numbers

NSA: We stopped an attack on the New York exchange from what we learned.

What is wrong with this picture?

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Their explanation: The meta data gathered from the phone calls ( their origin, destination, frequency and length of conversation ), gave them the SUSPICIOUS PATTERN to continue further, to get a warrant to then monitor the CONTENT.


26 posted on 06/18/2013 12:57:43 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: silverleaf

A TEA party? Is TEA a dog-whistle for “Taxed Enough Already” or “TAPPED Enough Already”?


27 posted on 06/18/2013 12:58:43 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: SeekAndFind

LOL

Sorry, not buying it. They listen, realize they have to get a warrant so they can use the information, so after the fact they get a warrant.

Don’t record my conversations for years, and then tell me you only listened after you got a warrant. The invasion of privacy was taking place for years.

That’s illegal.


28 posted on 06/18/2013 1:00:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: SeekAndFind
to get a warrant to then monitor the CONTENT.

Did you mean:

...to get a warrant to listen to the content they had already recorded without a warrant.

29 posted on 06/18/2013 1:01:10 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: kenmcg

Because they are lying.


30 posted on 06/18/2013 1:01:57 PM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t believe this for a minute.


31 posted on 06/18/2013 1:02:56 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: SeekAndFind

well you just have their word for that and you now know how good their word is


32 posted on 06/18/2013 1:03:37 PM PDT by molson209
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To: SeekAndFind
The meta data gathered from the phone calls ( their origin, destination, frequency and length of conversation ), gave them the SUSPICIOUS PATTERN to continue further, to get a warrant to then monitor the CONTENT.

You've got to be kidding me. Do you seriously believe that crap?

33 posted on 06/18/2013 1:06:06 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

This is the one that was stopped in fall 2009 AFTER the Brits warned Zippo about it sometime in the spring of 2009 IIRC and AFTER Air Force One just happened to fly over NYC making everyone think there was another terrorist attack planned for NYC.

Oh wait, there was an attack planned.

Too bad everyone thought AF1 flying over NYC was Obama mocking the 9/11 attack or Obama could have blamed Bush had the attack been successful.

Damn that Bush sure is lucky.


34 posted on 06/18/2013 1:07:01 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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RE: You’ve got to be kidding me. Do you seriously believe that crap?

Just telling you what they’re saying, that’s all....

This administration has lost all its credibility by my lights.


35 posted on 06/18/2013 1:07:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SMARTY
We’re supposed to believe that?

Not if you don't want to. It's the easy path. It requires no research, no discussion, no nothing.

You have probably noted that, with regard to the NSA controversy, there is no criteria any longer available to us that would allow us to believe in statements coming from the Government. And yes, we can thank Obama for that. But note that even those we have trusted for years have caught the Obama plague. They are no longer to be trusted either.

There are only a couple of exceptions to this rule although I believe those exceptions are temporary. They relate to our current belief that Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin don't lie. I expect Cruz to fail the test soon. Palin will take a little longer.

And then there will be nobody to trust.

36 posted on 06/18/2013 1:12:58 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ok then! At least investment bankers were saved by the sacrifice of my personal 4th Amendment Rights! I’m so very happy about this!


37 posted on 06/18/2013 1:13:01 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Since the info is likely classified, there is probably no way to verify if this is true or just coming out now in an attempt to mollify outrage at the un-Constitutional spying.


38 posted on 06/18/2013 1:18:09 PM PDT by KIDFOH (E.I.E.I.O. (enough is enough, impeach obama))
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RE: Since the info is likely classified, there is probably no way to verify if this is true or just coming out now in an attempt to mollify outrage at the un-Constitutional spying.

Why not just say that the NSA surveillance protected America from ten other 9/11 like plots?? Heck they can say anything... after all, you can’t get the info, dontcha know? IT’s CLASSIFIED !!


39 posted on 06/18/2013 1:31:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Wired has a nice summary of General Alexander's testimony:

Wired: The NSA Hearing, by the Numbers

There is some news, at least for me, in item 5. Somewhat surprising that we didn't hear it from Snowden.

"5) Snowden Worked for the NSA for 15 Months at Time of Leaks. Although it’s been reported that Snowden had only been working for defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton for three months at the time of the leaks, and had only been stationed at the NSA’s Hawaii facility a few weeks prior to leaking, Alexander noted that Snowden had actually been working for the NSA under a different contractor during the 12 months prior to moving to Booz Allen Hamilton, which would have given him more time to scope out the network and determine which data he wanted to take."

40 posted on 06/18/2013 1:33:03 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: SeekAndFind

OK, what is the criminal case number and what court was it presented in? I bet that information is not forthcoming.


41 posted on 06/18/2013 1:36:28 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: SeekAndFind
SUSPICIOUS PATTERN

Which undoubtedly they cannot reveal.

BS. There is no such thing as a "suspicious pattern".

42 posted on 06/18/2013 1:47:42 PM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: SeekAndFind

Like I’m supposed to care if some muslims blow up the NY Stock Exchange?


43 posted on 06/18/2013 1:50:01 PM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing - Joe Pine)
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To: kenmcg
If the NSA is such a crack outfit, why weren’t they able to stop the two rinky dink Boston bombers?

Good question. But my understanding of the NSA role in a case like this is that they supply information to the FBI. It's up to the FBI to catch the bad guys. NSA is not a police force.

And given the fact that we (Obama) don't wiretap the most obvious suspects (the mosques) I'm not surprised that we failed in Boston. Who knows what leads the NSA gave to the FBI? I don't.

44 posted on 06/18/2013 1:50:17 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: DoughtyOne

They use the “suspicious pattern” excuse (i.e. secret magic algorithm). They claim they can take your and my phone records and a trillion other pieces of information all of which is collected about Americans and apply the magic algorithm and out pops a list of suspects. BS. The problem is the exponential explosion of data combinations. The information is useless (except to be abused by a rogue administration.


45 posted on 06/18/2013 1:51:44 PM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: palmer

I agree with you.

It should also be noted that computers can listen to and read our communications for humans. So no, NSA staff don’t listen to all communications. Their electronic slaves do.

It’s all colated, and then when they need it, it’s there.

It can be abused as easily as used for justifiable reasons.


46 posted on 06/18/2013 2:00:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: dennisw

RE: Like I’m supposed to care if some muslims blow up the NY Stock Exchange?

What’s your beef with the NYSE?

That’s where most of our big companies are listed ( and consequently where most Americans invest for their retirement ).


47 posted on 06/18/2013 2:22:23 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I hope you do well there but the NYSE is just an arm of the Federal Reserve hype machine/ bubble machine. They sell euphoria for the Federal Reserve


48 posted on 06/18/2013 2:37:54 PM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing - Joe Pine)
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To: SeekAndFind
So which is it--fifty foiled plots or "alQaeda is on the run" and the WOT is over. Both can't be true. But it is likely that neither is true.

I would estimate the probability of this testimony being pure unadulterated BS as approaching 1.00.

49 posted on 06/18/2013 2:48:01 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: gaijin
Saved the exchange, huh? The one that cleaned out the whole country and put us in hock? The one playing with junk mortgage debt market?

THAT is what the NSA saved, huh?

Thanks for the belly laugh!

50 posted on 06/18/2013 2:55:54 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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