Skip to comments.Forget The F-22 And F-35, Russia's New Su-35 Fighter Jet Blows Them Away
Posted on 06/18/2013 1:50:57 PM PDT by Carbonsteel
The Su-35 (NATO designation Flanker E), Russias latest version of the famous super-maneuverable multirole fighter jet has demonstrated its stunning capabilities during the first day of the 50th Paris Air Show at Le Bourget.
During its display, the 4++ generation aircraft has showcased some almost impossible manoeuvres, demonstrating unbelievable low-speed handling authority.
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If you tried most of those slow speed maneuvers at full speed or close to it, you bust that sucker up wouldn’t you.
So what’s the true value of some of that. Not much.
As for maneuvering to avoid a Sidewinder, good luck with that.
Stealth is history repeating itself.
The F-4 was a long time ago. The only close-in dogfights that occurred in Iraq were between an A-10 and a helicopter.
That was 40 years ago, With modern FLIR and seismic detectors it would be over in a year or less.
The next generation of drones can perform maneuvers that would kill a pilot. If the remote pilot/operator felt it was warranted he could use the entire drone as a weapon. Autonomous control systems are getting scary good at not needing human interaction.
You’d just paint a box on the screen and tell the drone(s) to kill anything that enters the box.
I remember the days when America was out in front and important. I remember when we were #1 in all things. Those days were before Michelle Obama became proud of our country, for the first time in her life. Those days were back when America actually had a Space program and we reached for the stars. Those were the days before homosexuals actually married each other and boy scouts weren’t faggots. Those were the days when we actually had a real president, one that loved our country and worked to bring us together. Those were they days when we actually had a Constitution.
So, should I learn to speak Spanish or Russian?
I believe ROE's in Vietnam required visual identification:
The F-4's biggest weakness, as it was initially designed, was its lack of an internal cannon. For a brief period, doctrine held that turning combat would be impossible at supersonic speeds and little effort was made to teach pilots air combat maneuvering. In reality, engagements quickly became subsonic, as pilots would slow down in an effort to get behind their adversaries. Furthermore, the relatively new heat-seeking and radar-guided missiles at the time were frequently reported as unreliable and pilots had to use multiple shots (also known as ripple-firing), just to hit one enemy fighter. To compound the problem, rules of engagement in Vietnam precluded long-range missile attacks in most instances, as visual identification was normally required. Many pilots found themselves on the tail of an enemy aircraft but too close to fire short-range Falcons or Sidewinders. Although by 1965 USAF F-4Cs began carrying SUU-16 external gunpods containing a 20 mm (.79 in) M61 Vulcan Gatling cannon, USAF cockpits were not equipped with lead-computing gunsights until the introduction of the SUU-23, virtually assuring a miss in a maneuvering fight. Some Marine Corps aircraft carried two pods for strafing. In addition to the loss of performance due to drag, combat showed the externally mounted cannon to be inaccurate unless frequently boresighted, yet far more cost-effective than missiles. The lack of a cannon was finally addressed by adding an internally mounted 20 mm (.79 in) M61 Vulcan on the F-4E.LBJ was a lousy C-in-C.
Can Ivan afford to fly these babies? He’s had some real difficulty getting his pilots flying time.
Of course the Zero has effectively grounded our Air Force too. That’s parity dumb everyone down.
(not really joking)
Drones in a dogfights? I dunno...
You're still governed by ROEs which you conveniently chose not to address.
I’ve considered that too, but it seems like a very difficult language to learn.
If ROE's universally require visual ID, it seems to me we're better off building a bunch of upgraded F-15's.
And net-centric capabilities.
F-22 is a generation ahead.
“We’ve heard your argument before which is why the Phantom II was fielded without a gun.”
The difference is the change in reliability of missiles over the last 60 years. The AIM-9 was pretty decent in the early 80s, when I was a WSO in F-4s, but the reliability now is much better. So is the weapons envelope, and so is the reliability of radar missiles.
In a modern dogfight, trying to go for guns is a good way of dying...
The F-22 has an internal gun that ‘pops’ out when the pilot pulls the trigger.
Why? Because we will never make the mistake again by designing a fighter without a gun (F-4).
Most A/A engagements will be pre-merge and the close-in phone-booth knife-fight will likely be very rare, but it is a capability we must have (and do).
BVR ROE can be restrictive and the politico's (Obama) would place restrictions where BVR shots can't be taken. And, there are times a friendly might be flying with less that capable EID, and that would require some sort of visual.
We have tactics for that.
Gun kills will happen.
The real problem with our making out with Communist China in my opinion, is the very radical differences between the Chinese way of thinking and the American way of thinking.
China is mono-ethnic.
It has an economy which absorbs foreign technology, in a way which absorbs the technology itself. It is very much oriented toward always advancing technologically.
We on the other hand are all about “sharing”.
That was ok for a while. But now China is bigger than America.
That is to say, China EXPORTS more than America.
We continue to operate like we’re the biggest guy on the block, and nobody really pays attention to the fact China has already passed us.
China has an aggressive, race-based system designed to overtake other countries.
It did not have to be this way, but we have developed China into a threat.
It is time to begin behaving that way.
We cannot continue to send industries there.
That has already gone on far too long.
geez...the 22 and 35 are in full operation and when was the last time a Russian plane was in combat?